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LonghornsLegend 11-19-2008 09:16 PM

Why do the Raiders continually ruin player development?
 
Don't have any reason why they are dead set at playing Michael Bush at FB, but they insist on it:

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"I kind of don't really want to talk about it or say nothing wrong," Bush waid.. But we did some (fullback) today. There's nothing I can do. I told (Tom Cable) no the first time, you know? I guess it's either I do something or I don't. I don't know. It is what it is. Do I like it? Do I want to play there? Do I think I'm a fullback? No."

Bush has been asked to play fullback more than once. It was first mentioned when Oren O'Neal was hurt in August. The talk picked up more when Justin Griffith went down for the season Oct. 26.

Bush said he's "Never had the kind of mentality to go run into a wall."

Nevertheless, he's going along with the plan.

"I just want people to know what position I play," Bush said. "I'm not a fullback. I think it's a waste of my talent. I'm not trying to be any negative person that don't want to help the team. I'm doing it so they can't say I'm not helping this team. What can you say?"


cont'd
http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs...es/017191.html



Apoligies to any Raiders fans, but this is ridiculous, he's already shown he can be a great RB earlier this season and before his injury he was a predicted 1st round RB...I can understand if they are doing it just to help the team, but if you just wanted a lead blocker you should of traded him to the Chargers instead of wasting potential at FB.


Had he ended up in San Diego he would of flourished, now he's just going to rot on that team when they should be finding ways to get the ball to him more for a team that can't find ways to score...It's not just Bush either, Oakland hasn't been effective at developing players in forever, at some point it's got to stop.

619 11-19-2008 09:44 PM

Damn, I was just notified of these plans. He's in a bad situation as our third string back where it still looks like he can only contribute minimally to the offense especially with McFadden now expected to be back to full health.

If the front office sincerely insists on making this a permanent move you can pretty much forget it as like he pointed out he just doesn't have that mentality. In numerous occasions in training camp would Kiffin attempt to instill some toughness in his running style but that of course failed. He is what he is and that is a fleet-footed big man who adds versatility as both a runner and pass receiver.

That second day pick we would've received from the Chargers would be really useful now. :(

CC.SD 11-19-2008 10:06 PM

Wow, even objectively, just from reading those quotes, that sounds like a player who has seriously lost hope.

I freaking wish we had him.

619 11-19-2008 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by CC.SD (Post 1323516)
Wow, even objectively, just from reading those quotes, that sounds like a player who has seriously lost hope.

I freaking wish we had him.

Yeah, that's exactly it. I feel for him because he's too talented to be a third stringer or to play the fullback position. He needs a change of scenery bad. I hope we grant him the opportunity to find a new home in the offseason. Sad, sad time to be associated with this dysfunctional franchise.

ElectricEye 11-19-2008 10:11 PM

Sounds like a pretty bad situation. I really like what Bush showed in limited action. His size might lend itself well to the fullback position, but his skillset doesn't. Just doesn't look like a lead blocker to me. In this is a permanent move, it's going to be a real waste. Could create some matchup problems every now and again, but still not worth it.

Race for the Heisman 11-19-2008 10:20 PM

I'd reimburse the Raiders with a fourth for him.

doingthisinsteadofwork 11-19-2008 10:28 PM

Did you seriously as that question?Is it not obvious?

Here it is:

ElectricEye 11-19-2008 10:31 PM

Al Davis is the Freddy Krueger of the NFL. On second thought, Al Davis is Freddy Krueger.

NIN1984 11-19-2008 10:44 PM

Hopefully no free agents sign with the Raiders and all the rookies refuse to play in Oakland...

and maybe Al will finally realize something is wrong

yourfavestoner 11-19-2008 10:49 PM

Sounds to me like Michael Bush is just a ***** who is afraid of contact. There's nothing more irritating than a big back who plays soft.

Giantsfan1080 11-19-2008 10:59 PM

Thanks for giving us Tollefson and Boothe. You don't realize it now but it helps us, the Giants out a ton.

PACKmanN 11-19-2008 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080 (Post 1323634)
Thanks for giving us Tollefson and Bush. You don't realize it now but it helps us, the Giants out a ton.

http://www.packers.com/draft/2006/davetollefson.phtml

TT biggest mistake for his draft pick. He was beasting it for the Packers before being placed on waivers and taken away.

regoob2 11-19-2008 11:11 PM

I feel really bad for all the Raiders players. The day they're drafted they know they'll never be a winner. It's kinda sad.

ChezPower4 11-19-2008 11:14 PM

Poor guy, you have to feel for someone who's being forced to do something they don't want to do at all.....

Giantsfan1080 11-19-2008 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PACKmanN (Post 1323645)
http://www.packers.com/draft/2006/davetollefson.phtml

TT biggest mistake for his draft pick. He was beasting it for the Packers before being placed on waivers and taken away.

He's been pretty good for us. If Osi was still in we wouldn't have seen him as much but he's been a very nice addition to our pass rush. He's going to stick around and will be a key player on our line for he next couple of years. I meant Kevin Boothe not Bush as our other player. He's been a good depth player and came in and played well at RT the other night.

locseti 11-19-2008 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by yourfavestoner (Post 1323607)
Sounds to me like Michael Bush is just a ***** who is afraid of contact. There's nothing more irritating than a big back who plays soft.

Yes, this kind of pisses me off that he is being such a ***** about it. I'm about 99 percent sure they're not trying to convert him to fullback, but with both Oren O'neal AND Justin Griffith out for the year, we need help extremely bad at this position. Contrast Bush's attitude with the attitude of Earnest Graham, who when BJ Askew was lost to injury, stepped up and volunteered to put in work at fullback. And with McFadden and Fargas healthy, this is the best way for Bush to get some playing time. Bush is weak for not jumping at this opportunity.

CC.SD 11-19-2008 11:44 PM

Now that I've thought about it they can't really be converting him to a full fledged blocker, this is basically akin to asking him to be the short yardage back, a pounder. At least he'll be getting on the field.

ElectricEye 11-20-2008 12:08 AM

I agree with the sentiment he shouldn't be whining about it even though it's probably not the best use for him or for the team either probably if they're asking him to block.

Menardo75 11-20-2008 01:19 AM

This would not be the best position for him. At the end of the day though play football and help your team out. Lord knows they need all of it they can get.

Zyro_1014 11-20-2008 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Menardo75 (Post 1323919)
This would not be the best position for him. At the end of the day though play football and help your team out. Lord knows they need all of it they can get.

i agree, hes a very good running back and he will help the team one day with his play there.

but right now it pisses me off that he wont do something that a coach asked him to do. Sure, its not his position but its the simple fact that it might help the team.

Jimmy 11-20-2008 05:53 AM

i love playing in a 3 team division.

UK_Cheesehead 11-20-2008 06:29 AM

Why's he bitchin about it? Step up for the team and play while the guys who usually play FB are injured.

ChezPower4 11-20-2008 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy (Post 1324051)
i love playing in a 3 team division.

Me too :D..... thanks Detriot

LonghornsLegend 11-20-2008 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Zyro_1014 (Post 1323928)
but right now it pisses me off that he wont do something that a coach asked him to do. Sure, its not his position but its the simple fact that it might help the team.

That's true, but at the same time, why would you want a guy playing FB who is saying "Never had the kind of mentality to go run into a wall"...Your running game is going to suffer if you have a FB who thinks that way, if don't have a guy who wants to blow everything up you might as well not use anyone because it will end up hurting the team more then anything.


Besides that he's never really had much work at it, he runs like a small back, was drafted as a Rb and worked all this time to finally get healthy enough to come back, he plays a good game earlier now they want him to be a FB so I can sense his frustration...That and he probably knows by now how dysfunctional the Raiders are so even as a player your taking everything they tell you with a grain of salt.

DeathbyStat 11-20-2008 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend (Post 1323370)
Don't have any reason why they are dead set at playing Michael Bush at FB, but they insist on it:


http://www.sacbee.com/static/weblogs...es/017191.html



Apoligies to any Raiders fans, but this is ridiculous, he's already shown he can be a great RB earlier this season and before his injury he was a predicted 1st round RB...I can understand if they are doing it just to help the team, but if you just wanted a lead blocker you should of traded him to the Chargers instead of wasting potential at FB.


Had he ended up in San Diego he would of flourished, now he's just going to rot on that team when they should be finding ways to get the ball to him more for a team that can't find ways to score...It's not just Bush either, Oakland hasn't been effective at developing players in forever, at some point it's got to stop.


I wish the steelers would trade for Bush


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