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RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES 01-05-2009 06:03 PM

ravens defense vs titans defense
 
On any given sunday who would you choose to have playing defense for your team???/

bigbluedefense 01-05-2009 06:07 PM

Titans.

My main reason is this: The Ravens defense this year, has had a bad tendency of collapsing in big moments in big games. Theyre not "clutch", if a defense is allowed to be that term.

For that reason, Im taking the Titans defense, who has been stoute all season, for all 4 quarters.

Not 3 1/2 like the Ravens defense too many times this year.

CC.SD 01-05-2009 06:08 PM

If the Titans are at full strength, they get my nod. KVB and Haynseworth just collapse the pocket instantly against both the run and pass, it makes it impossible for an offense to operate. The rest of them are a bunch of mean mothers too. It's close because obviously it's impossible to hate on the Ravens D, but I go with the Titans if there's a gun to my head.

MetSox17 01-05-2009 06:11 PM

I like the Ravens defense better.

I agree with you (^) saying that the Titans defense is probably a little more reliable, but i like the big play ability the Ravens have on defense over the vanilla Titans. They've had injury concerns across the line throughout the season, so can they really generate enough pressure without Vanden Bosch or Haynesworth? Both secondaries are top notch, the Titans probably get the edge there, but Baltimore's front 7 is pretty nasty. Behind only Pittsburgh's imo.

giantsfan 01-05-2009 06:12 PM

As I've mentioned in other threads both defense have a lot of talent and both have had very good seasons.

That said I'll take the titans by a smidge since they just go out there and do what they're supposed to do, nothing very creative or fancy about that D, but they'll just do their job better than you can do yours and shut you down because of it.

The Ravens D is very aggressive and the do a very good job of confusing opposing OCs. They're playing totally balls to the wall, which I love, but they just seem to make mistakes at the worst times, if I had to guess why I'd say it's because they're pressing to protect their rook. Thus while the ravens make more plays their D isn't as consistent and steady as the titans and that's why I give the titans the nod. Both are top 5 Ds and both deserve a lot of respect, but my preference would be the titans D.

giantsfan 01-05-2009 06:16 PM

BTW if you can add a poll you should do it, I'd like to see with whom the majority lies.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES 01-05-2009 06:17 PM

yea me to lol so i will if i can figure it out

skinzzfan25 01-05-2009 06:19 PM

Ravens.

Ed Reed is too much.

CashmoneyDrew 01-05-2009 06:22 PM

I think the Titans have a better defense, but it's just by a pubic hair.

Paranoidmoonduck 01-05-2009 06:25 PM

Both teams have very fluid plans based on their given opponent, so I'm not sure either has the schematic advantage. Past that, assuming everyone is healthy, I'd go with Tennessee.

Tennessee relies heavily on Haynesworth to rectify that front seven and Baltimore relies heavily on Reed to rectify that secondary, but while Reed is indeed awesome, he can't be everywhere in that secondary and Baltimore can be prone to giving up some big yards in the passing game.

bigbluedefense 01-05-2009 06:26 PM

People aren't giving the 2nd best DT in the league enough credit: Ngata.

Ngata does for that Baltimore front 7 what Haynesworth does for Tennessee.

B-Dawk 01-05-2009 06:29 PM

To me i like the Ravens explosiveness and penchant for the big play, while i see the titans as more consistent. I guess it would depend on the offense, but i'll take the ravens.

Bruce Banner 01-05-2009 06:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VoodooMonkey (Post 1409003)
I think the Titans have a better defense, but it's just by a pubic hair.

what if it's a vintage porn pubic hair?

that difference becomes asstronomic.

CC.SD 01-05-2009 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Banner (Post 1409022)
what if it's a vintage porn pubic hair?

that difference becomes astronomic.

Yah, don't mess with the fur bikini.

CashmoneyDrew 01-05-2009 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruce Banner (Post 1409022)
what if it's a vintage porn pubic hair?

that difference becomes asstronomic.

Yes, yes it does.

TitanHope 01-05-2009 06:31 PM

How good is Ngata at pass rushing? What separated guys like Haynesworth and Kevin Williams is that they're big DT's that can stop the run and rush the passer. I always thought Ngata wasn't that good at pass rushing, but it may be the scheme he plays in.

bigbluedefense 01-05-2009 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitanHope (Post 1409028)
How good is Ngata at pass rushing? What separated guys like Haynesworth and Kevin Williams is that they're big DT's that can stop the run and rush the passer. I always thought Ngata wasn't that good at pass rushing, but it may be the scheme he plays in.

oh he can rush. the guy stands up and blitzes. he can rush.

they use him in a ton of ways, which is good in a way, but also bad in a way. they should use him the exact same way Tennessee uses Haynesworth.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES 01-05-2009 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TitanHope (Post 1409028)
How good is Ngata at pass rushing? What separated guys like Haynesworth and Kevin Williams is that they're big DT's that can stop the run and rush the passer. I always thought Ngata wasn't that good at pass rushing, but it may be the scheme he plays in.

ngata plays LB on some plays he gets picks lol hes good with his hands when the qb is passing .

PACKmanN 01-05-2009 06:37 PM

I think its even, the Titans' coaching staff will always put their defense is a position to win while the Ravens' defense can always get by based on talent and speed.

Paranoidmoonduck 01-05-2009 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 1409034)
they use him in a ton of ways, which is good in a way, but also bad in a way. they should use him the exact same way Tennessee uses Haynesworth.

I tend to agree. I can't rank Ngata with Haynesworth in terms of overall impact when he plays the 5-tech for a good chunk of the time.

CC.SD 01-05-2009 06:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 1409034)
oh he can rush. the guy stands up and blitzes. he can rush.

they use him in a ton of ways, which is good in a way, but also bad in a way. they should use him the exact same way Tennessee uses Haynesworth.

Also quite a rugby player.

Aftermath 01-05-2009 06:42 PM

I'm partial to the Raven's defense.

So, Baltimore.

SenorGato 01-05-2009 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 1409012)
People aren't giving the 2nd best DT in the league enough credit: Ngata.

Ngata does for that Baltimore front 7 what Haynesworth does for Tennessee.

+1

He's also younger and more mature than Haynesworth was at the same age.

I'd take the Ravens D every day. Sure they take risks, but thats what great D's can allow themselves to do.

giantsfan 01-05-2009 06:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 1409012)
People aren't giving the 2nd best DT in the league enough credit: Ngata.

Ngata does for that Baltimore front 7 what Haynesworth does for Tennessee.

Ngata's a beast, but he's not as dominant as fat albert yet. He probably will be, and could even be better, but not yet, give the kid some time before we put him on fat albert's level.

bigbluedefense 01-05-2009 06:50 PM

oh i agree, Ngata is not on Haynesworth's level. but nobody is.

i think Ngata does similar things for Baltimore. And as a front 7 DT/UT/NT, the only player in the league id take over Ngata right now is Haynesworth.


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