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diabsoule 01-14-2010 10:40 AM

Perry Fewell, New DC
 
Just found out on ESPN. Former Buffalo Bills DC and interim HC Perry Fewell has been made the new Giants DC. Thought you guys would be interested.

Damix 01-14-2010 10:43 AM

Well, I hope he doesn't expect to run the same D as Buffalo

Edit: article http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4825410

Giantsfan1080 01-14-2010 11:00 AM

I don't like this. Doesn't he only run a Cover 2 base defense?

scottyboy 01-14-2010 11:02 AM


Splat 01-14-2010 11:05 AM

I don't think he is that bad of a pick up he will have alot better talent to work with the G-Men.

bigbluedefense 01-14-2010 11:19 AM

I'm furious right now. Livid. Every word for pissed off you can think of.

This is terrible. I hate Cover 2. I despise Cover 2. This was a horrible hire. It doesn't fit our team at all. If this doesn't work, Coughlin should get fired next year.


I don't even want to talk about defense until after next year is over. I'm disgusted right now. I just hope our offense can carry us. I'm sick to my stomach right now.

Giantsfan1080 01-14-2010 11:25 AM

Our 2 best corners are both physical man to man guys and yet we hire Fewell. He better change his ways.

bigbluedefense 01-14-2010 11:35 AM

He won't. They never do. As a coordinator, you can't just change your ways, you do what you like doing and thats that.

We've been down this road with Sheridan. You can't ask a guy to run another guy's system. They're gonna run what they like. Bc thats what they know.

Our defense is going to suck next year.

redbills 01-14-2010 11:38 AM

Well your DBs should have a lot of picks now. And you will be drafting 8 DBs a year now too.

Giantsfan1080 01-14-2010 12:03 PM

Why do we insist on hiring guys that go against our personnel? Makes 0 sense.

Number 10 01-14-2010 12:10 PM

Guys you are overreacting to the Cover 2 thing.

We are not running the scheme that Tampa or Indy runs. There will be elements of that scheme implemented but if you watch what we did under Spags, we ran some cover 2 every week.

Giantsfan1080 01-14-2010 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 (Post 1970828)
Guys you are overreacting to the Cover 2 thing.

We are not running the scheme that Tampa or Indy runs. There will be elements of that scheme implemented but if you watch what we did under Spags, we ran some cover 2 every week.

How could you possibly know this? We have to look at the track record of Fewell and he runs the system that Lovie Smith ran. There will be some man obviously but the majority will be that zone. If he changes great but I just don't see it.

Forenci 01-14-2010 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 1970761)
I'm furious right now. Livid. Every word for pissed off you can think of.

This is terrible. I hate Cover 2. I despise Cover 2. This was a horrible hire. It doesn't fit our team at all. If this doesn't work, Coughlin should get fired next year.


I don't even want to talk about defense until after next year is over. I'm disgusted right now. I just hope our offense can carry us. I'm sick to my stomach right now.

Relax, heh. I'm not thrilled about it but I'm going to give him a chance and see what he can do. Plus I thought a lot of the Bills players really liked him? Or am I mistaken there?

Either way I'm taking the wait and see approach. Like Jughead said, he's not a Tampa 2 guy by any means.

I'm curious to know his philosophy on blitzing and his pressure schemes.

Giantsfan1080 01-14-2010 12:15 PM

Of course I'm going to give him a chance but on first glance I don't like it. Isn't he a booth guy also which as we know our players have a problem with?

bigbluedefense 01-14-2010 12:21 PM

I won't believe it until I see the product on the field. We've all heard Sheridan say this and that, and when the time came to step up to the plate, did something different.

So even when Fewell says all the right things at his press conference, I won't care. I'll believe it when I see it.

I'm not expecting to be pleased, thats all I know right now.

Forenci 01-14-2010 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080 (Post 1970840)
Of course I'm going to give him a chance but on first glance I don't like it. Isn't he a booth guy also which as we know our players have a problem with?

Like I said I'm not a huge fan and think their were a couple better choices out there that fit our style of defense, but I don't think it's the worst signing we could have made.

I know a lot of Giants fans were thinking pie in the sky with Fox but that was never happening and I don't really see that many options for us at DC. Especially if we exclude guys who have no experience at DC.

I just want to hear his philosophy and what he intends to do with our defense before I start freaking out about it. He might have some interesting new twists with our personnel or something.

Number 10 01-14-2010 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080 (Post 1970832)
How could you possibly know this? We have to look at the track record of Fewell and he runs the system that Lovie Smith ran. There will be some man obviously but the majority will be that zone. If he changes great but I just don't see it.

I've watched the Bills plenty over the past two years and I assure you, they are not your typical Cover 2 defense. He switches it up as much as Spags did. A lot of it depends on personnel, and the Bills have tweaked their defensive personnel over the past couple of years and it was evident that Fewell played to the players strengths. I've seen them plenty of schemes and thats why I feel this is a good hire. The Giants defensive personnel is diverse and it gives a lot of options. 2 things that are for certain with Fewell is that he won't be predictable and he won't be simple.

Giantsfan1080 01-14-2010 12:23 PM

What about his crappy run defenses? All personnel or more scheme #10?

bigbluedefense 01-14-2010 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 (Post 1970858)
I've watched the Bills plenty over the past two years and I assure you, they are not your typical Cover 2 defense. He switches it up as much as Spags did. A lot of it depends on personnel, and the Bills have tweaked their defensive personnel over the past couple of years and it was evident that Fewell played to the players strengths. I've seen them plenty of schemes and thats why I feel this is a good hire. The Giants defensive personnel is diverse and it gives a lot of options. 2 things that are for certain with Fewell is that he won't be predictable and he won't be simple.

I hope this is the case, believe me I really do.

I just don't trust it right now.

Giantsfan1080 01-14-2010 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Forenci (Post 1970855)
Like I said I'm not a huge fan and think their were a couple better choices out there that fit our style of defense, but I don't think it's the worst signing we could have made.

I know a lot of Giants fans were thinking pie in the sky with Fox but that was never happening and I don't really see that many options for us at DC. Especially if we exclude guys who have no experience at DC.

I just want to hear his philosophy and what he intends to do with our defense before I start freaking out about it. He might have some interesting new twists with our personnel or something.

Admittedley I had no idea who we should have hired for DC but Fewell would have been on the lower end of that list. I'll be very interested to hear what he has to say. We'll also get a clue of the direction he might want to go in when the draft rolls around.

bigbluedefense 01-14-2010 12:29 PM

this article makes me feel a lot better about the hire, but i'm still a little unsure about it

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,6949436.story

If what that article says is true, then this is a great hire. But if its just fluff to hype up a guy, then its not.

Number 10 01-14-2010 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080 (Post 1970862)
What about his crappy run defenses? All personnel or more scheme #10?

There is no way someone on a message board can give a valid answer for that without being in the film rooms and meetings. But from what I saw, the Bills were probably the worst tackling team in football other than Detroit and St. Louis. I thought the Giants were a bad tackling defense...but the Bills were scary bad.

Run defense is analyzed to a point where it makes me sick sometimes. It is one of the more simple elements to the game. It centers around gap control and ability to tackle on initial contact. So with that said, I am under the impression that their run defense issues falls on the players more than the scheme. Am I 100% right? No way to answer that. But tackling is such an overlooked element to the game in the fans eyes and it is sickening. Watch the Vikings and Jets this weekend and you will see what I mean.

Number 10 01-14-2010 12:34 PM

Honestly...forget the articles. Forget the interview with the media that is coming up. Forget the mini-camp and training camp reports.

You will not be able to evaluate the scheme until next fall. End of discussion.

Forenci 01-14-2010 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080 (Post 1970864)
Admittedley I had no idea who we should have hired for DC but Fewell would have been on the lower end of that list. I'll be very interested to hear what he has to say. We'll also get a clue of the direction he might want to go in when the draft rolls around.

Honestly, my top guy would have probably been Will Muschamp. I think he'd be terrific but I don't think he'd have ever left the chance to coach Texas for the sake of being a defensive coordinator.

I mean the Bills were terrific against the pass, plus they create a ton of turnovers and give up very few big plays. All good things in my book, just based off looking over the team defense statistics and having seen the Bills play about 3 games this year. Not enough to get a feel but I felt like they were always swarming around the ball.

Our biggest problem is we need to plug in some good DT's or it won't matter who we get as DC, we'll still be ran over all game.

Forenci 01-14-2010 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 1970874)
this article makes me feel a lot better about the hire, but i'm still a little unsure about it

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...,6949436.story

If what that article says is true, then this is a great hire. But if its just fluff to hype up a guy, then its not.

Even if it is a fluff piece, it still has some interesting tidbits in it. Like for example the use of a "Bonzai' blitz. Something like that would probably work brilliantly for us.

Also it mentioned he isn't a calm/passive person which is a great thing as well. Plus just based off those quotes, the players all seemed to love him and he really has done some nice things with some of the safeties he's worked with. Hopefully he could do that with Kenny Phillips and maybe another safety we bring in.


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