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Ozzy 06-22-2010 09:15 AM

The top 25 college football defensive units over the past decade+
 
I have only been really paying attention to college football since 1997, so the time span I am looking at is between 1997 and 2011, so a little more than a decade.

This is what I could think of in terms of the best defensive units I have seen in that time span. Overall defensive depth, talent level and on the field performance was taken into consideration. And yes if a team stock pile four or five future NFL players at one position, yes that was a major factor in the rankings as well.


Enjoy.

*Ongoing editing ;o) Now updated to the top 63






1) 2001

DE J. McDougle
DT V. Wilfork, M. Waters
DT W. Joseph, O. Harris
DE A. Williams, T. Carroll
OLB DJ Williams, L. Williams
ILB J. Vilma
OLB H. Clark, R. McIntosh
CB P. Buchanon, A. Rolle
CB M .Rumph, K. Jennings
SS E. Reed, M. Sikes
FS S. Taylor





2) 2011

DE J. Williams, Q. Dial
NT Josh Chapman
DE D. Square, E. Stinson
OLB C. Upshaw
ILB D. Hightower, N. Johnson
ILB CJ Mosley, T. Depriest
OLB J. Harris, A. Hubbard
CB Dre Kirkpatrick
CB D. Milliner, D. Menzie
SS M. Barron
FS R. Lester





3) 2007

DE C. Matthews, K. Moore
DT S. Ellis
DT F. Moala, A. Spicer
DE L. Jackson, E. Griffen
OLB B. Cushing, T. Williams
ILB R. Maualuga, C. Gailippo
OLB K. Rivers, K. Maiava, M. Morgan
CB C. Harris, K. Thomas
CB T. Thomas, J. Pinkard
SS K. Ellison, W. Harris
FS T. Mays, McCurtis





4) 2004

DE M. Spears, M. Oliver, T. Johnson
DT K. Williams, C. Wroten
DT G. Dorsey, M. Favorite
DE C. Pittman, T. Jackson
OLB A. Highsmith
ILB L. Turner, L. Sanders
OLB C. Vaughn
CB C. Webster, J. Zenon
CB T. Daniels, Prude Jr, C. Jackson
SS L .Landry, C. Taylor
FS J. Daniels, C. Steltz





5) 2011

DE K. Adams, B. Mingo
DT B. Logan, J. Downs
DT M. Brockers, A. Johnson
DE S. Montgomery, L. Edwards
OLB R. Baker
ILB K. Minter
OLB S. Francois
CB M. Claiborne, R. Brooks
CB T. Mathieu, T. Simon
SS E. Reid, C. Loston
FS B. Taylor





6) 2002

DE W. Smith, S. Fraser, Kudla
DT D. Scott, Pitcock
DT T. Anderson, M. Green
DE K. Peterson, J. Richardson
OLB B. Carpenter, Hawk
ILB Wihelm, M. D'Andrea
OLB C. Grant, R. Reynolds
CB C. Gamble
CB D. Fox, Underwood
SS Doss, T. Everett
FS W. Allen, Nickey, Salley





7) 1997

DE J. Hall
DT J. Williams
DT R. Renes
DE G. Steele
OLB D. Jones
ILB S. Sword
OLB I. Gold
CB C. Woodson
CB A. Weathers, J. Whitely
SS T. Hendricks
FS M .Ray





8) 1998

DE R. Bailey
DT Collins
DT Pickett
DE J. Cotton
OLB N. Diggs
ILB Katzenmoyer
OLB J. Cooper
CB Winfield, D. Ross
CB Plummer, N. Clements
SS Berry
FS D. Moore





9) 1997

DE D. Warren, Seymour
DT C. Simon
DT L. Smith, J. Johnson
DE G. Spiers, J. Reynolds
OLB Polley
ILB S. Cowart, B. Jennings
OLB B. Allen
CB S. Rolle
CB T. Cody, C. Thomas
SS D. Gibson
FS D. Jackson, S. Key





10) 1999

DE C. Brown
DT A. Adams
DT J. Kennedy
DE J. Kurpeikis, M. Haynes
OLB L. Arrington
ILB B. Short
OLB M. Morrison
CB D. Macklin
CB B. Jue
SS J. Boyd
FS D. Fox





11) 2009

DE M. Dareus
DT T. Cody, Chapman
DE Deaderick, L. Washington
OLB C. Reamer
ILB R. McClain
ILB N. Johnson, D. Hightower
OLB E. Anders, Upshaw
CB K. Jackson, M. Johnson
CB J. Arenas
SS M. Barron
FS J Woodall, R. Green





12) 1999

DE Overstreet, O. Hand
DT J. Henderson, R. Moore
DT D. Walker, A. Haynesworth
DE S. Ellis
OLB R. Thompson, K. Whiteside
ILB D. Stevenson, E. Moore
OLB E. Westmoreland
CB A. Lott
CB D. Goodrich
SS T. Gaines
FS D. Grant





13) 2006

DE Harvey, Estopinan
DT M .Thomas, J. Cohen
DT R. McDonald, S. Harris
DE J. Moss, J. Cunningham
OLB B. Spikes, R. Stamper
ILB B. Siler
OLB E. Everett
CB R. Lewis
CB R. Smith
SS R. Nelson
FS T. Joiner, K. Jackson





14) 1997

DE G. Winstrom
DT J. Peters
DT J. Wiltz, C. Warren
DE M. Rucker, Vanden Bosch
OLB T. Ortiz
ILB J. Foreman
OLB C. Polk
CB R. Brown
CB E. Swiney, J. Walker
SS M .Brown
FS E. Warfield, B. Harrison





15) 2008

DE Gibson, L. Wilson
DT Denlinger, R. Rose
DT Larimore, Worthington
DE Heyward
OLB M. Freeman, B. Rolle
ILB Laurinaitis, A. Spitler
OLB R. Homan, C. Terry, Moeller
CB M. Jenkins, Chekwa
CB D. Washington, D. Torrence
SS K. Coleman, J. Hines
FS A. Russell, J. O'Neal





16) 2002

DE K. Udeze
DT S. Cody, M. Wright
DT M. Patterson
DE O. Nazel, F. Rucker
OLB M. Grootegoed, D. Sartz
ILB L. Tatupu
OLB M. Simmons, O. Lua
CB J. Wyatt
CB M. Allmond, R. Nunn
SS T. Polamalu
FS D. Bing, J. Leach





17) 1997

DE T. Beauchamp, T. Bullard
DT E. Chester, B. Gurley
DT R. McGrew, A. Mitchell
DE D. Chambers, W. Cohens
OLB J. Kearse
ILB M. Peterson, T. Sims
OLB Rutledge
CB F. Weary
CB E. Williams
SS T. George, R. Graddy
FS T. Brown, M. Manuel





18 ) 2003

DE J. Ratliff
DT S. Johnson
DT D. McNeil
DE R. Torbor
OLB K. Dansby, A. Williams
ILB D. Thomas
OLB T. Williams
CB C. Rogers,
CB M. Pitts, G. Williams
SS W. Herring
FS J. Rosegreen





19) 2004

DE K. Wimbley
DT B. Bunkley
DT Fluellen
DE C. Davis
OLB E. Sims
ILB B. Davis
OLB AJ. Nicholson, Timmons
CB A. Cromartie, L. Smith
CB B. McFadden, T. Carter
SS J. Carter
FS P. Watkins





20) 1999

DE C. Moore
DT C. Bradley
DT D. Pugh
DE J. Engelberger
OLB B. Taylor, M. Hawkes
ILB J. Houseright
OLB J. Smith
CB I. Charlton
CB A. Midget
SS R. Whitaker, C. Bird
FS W. Pile





21) 2009

DE B. Turner
DT N. Suh
DT J. Crick, Steinkuhler
DE P. Allen
OLB P. Dillard
ILB W. Compton
OLB S. Fisher
CB Amukamara
CB Dennard, Gomes
SS Asante
FS O'Hanlon, Hagg






22) 2002

DE D. Cody
DT D. Dvoracek
DT T. Harris, K. Klein
DE J. Wilkerson
OLB T. Lehman
ILB L .Mitchell
OLB C. Ingram
CB D. Strait, A. Perkins
CB A. Woolfolk
SS B. Pool
FS B. Everage






23) 2005

DE D. Tapp O. Martin
DT J. Lewis
DT C. Powell
DE C. Ellis Burchette
OLB X. Adibi
ILB V. Hall
OLB J. Anderson
CB J. Williams, V. Harris
CB B. Flowers
SS A. Rouse, D. Parker
FS J. Hamilton





24) 2005

DE Hali
DT Alford
DT J. Shaw, E. Johnson
DE J. Gaines
OLB Connor, Hull
ILB P. Posluszny, T. Shaw, S. Lee
OLB T. Shaw, Sales
CB A. Zemaitis, J. King
CB A. Phillips
SS C. Lowry, Scirrotto
FS McCready, T. Davis





25) 1998

DE D. Howard
DT D. McIntosh
DT A. Rowe
DE J. Clements, C. Johnson
OLB M. Simoneau
ILB J. Kelly
OLB T. Ochs, B. Leber
CB G. Neasman
CB D. Carter, J. Butler
SS J. Cooper
FS L. Chapman, C. Scott







Just missed the cut...................



26) *Michigan Wolverines 2006
DE Woodley, T. Jamison
DT Branch
DT T. Taylor
DE Biggs, B. Graham
OLB S. Crable, C. Graham
ILB D. Harris
OLB P. Burgess
CB L. Hall
CB M. Trent
SS Adams, R. Mundy
FS Englemon, Barringer 



27) *Florida Gators 2000
DE A. Brown, B. McCray
DT G. Warren
DT D. Chambers, B. Gurley
DE LaFavor, T Bullard
OLB M. Nattiel, T. Carroll
ILB A. Davis
OLB B. Hardmon
CB L. Sheppard
CB B. Alexander, R. Cromartie
SS M. Manuel, L. Norwood
FS T. Johnson, D. Dixon




28 ) *Iowa Hawkeyes 2003
DE M. Roth, H. Hodges
DT Clauss
DT J. Babineaux
DE Iwebema, Mattision
OLB E. Miles, Humpal
ILB A. Hodge, Klinkenborg
OLB C. Greenway
CB J. Johnson
CB A. Allen
SS B. Sanders, S. Considine
FS Paschal, Merrick


29) *Oklahoma 2007
DE English
DT G. McCoy
DT D. Granger, A. Taylor
DE J. Beal, F. Alexander
OLB L. Baker
ILB C. Lofton
OLB D. Pleasant, T. Lewis
CB R. Smith, L. Holmes
CB M. Walker, B. Jackson, Franks
SS N. Harris, Q. Carter
FS DJ. Wofle


30) *Alabama 2005
DE W. Gilberry, E. Knight
DT B. Greenwood
DT J. Clark, D. Lee
DE M. Anderson
OLB D. Ryans
ILB F. Roach, P. Hall
OLB J. Simpson
CB S. Castille, R. Robinson
CB C. Peprah, A. Madison
SS R. Harper
FS J. Dukes, R. Johnson


31) *Texas 2009
DE S. Kindle
DT L. Houston
DT Randall
DE Acho
OLB K. Robinson
ILB Muckelroy
OLB J. Norton
CB Ch. Brown, Cu. Brown
CB A. Williams, D. Beasley
SS E. Thomas
FS Gideon, N. Brewster


32) *Texas 2000
DE Redding
DT Hampton
DT S. Rogers, M. Tubbs
DE Pittman
OLB T. Jones
ILB D. Lewis
OLB Rawls
CB Q. Jammer, N. Vasher
CB R. Babers, A. Brooks
SS J. Walker
FS C. Brown, D. Pearson


33) *Michigan State 1999
DE R. Smith
DT D. Bernard
DT D. Thomas
DE J. Hendricks
OLB J. Peterson
ILB TJ. Turner
OLB J. Thornhill
CB A. Cambell, B. Nelson
CB R. Hill, C. Henry
SS T. Wright
FS R. Newsome


34) *Illinois 2007
DE D. Walker, Pilcher
DT C. Norwell
DT Lindquist
DE W. Davis
OLB A. Steele
ILB J. Leman
OLB B. Miller
CB V. Davis
CB A. Ball, D. Hicks
SS K. Mitchell
FS J. Sanders, J. Harrison


35) *Alabama 1999
DE King
DT C. Griffin
DT R. Grimes K. Smith
DE Moorhead
OLB M. Merritt
ILB S. Rasheed
OLB D. Gilbert
CB T. Dixon
CB M. Lewis
SS Spencer
FS R. Myles


36) *Texas A&M 1998
DE R. Bernard
DT R. Edwards
DE Flemons
OLB C. Anthony
ILB D. Nguyen
ILB J. Glenn
OLB W. Holdman
CB J. Webster
CB S. Curry
SS M. Jameson
FS R. Coady


37) *Georgia 1998
DE D. Evans
DT Seymour
DT Stroud,
DE Luckie
OLB W. Witherspoon, O. Grant
ILB K. Bell
OLB B. Bailey
CB C. Bailey
CB J. Henderson
SS J. Phillips
FS Chambers


38 ) *Miss State 2000
DE E. Wyms
DT W. Blade
DT D. Davis, T. Golliday
DE C. Stephens
OLB J. Clark
ILB M. Haggan
OLB R. Knight
CB F. Smoot
CB S. Byrdsong, E. Clinton
SS P. Prather
FS J. Morgan


39) *Iowa 2008
DE A. Clayborn
DT M. King, Klug
DT M. Kroul
DE C. Ballard, B. Binns
OLB AJ. Edds
ILB P. Angerer, J. Coleman
OLB J. Hunter
CB B. Fletcher
CB A. Spievey
SS T. Sash
FS B. Greenwood


40) *Wake Forest 2006
DE M. Robinson
DT B. Robinson
DT J. Smith
DE J. Thompson
OLB A. Curry
ILB Abbate
OLB S .Arnoux
CB A. Smith, B. Ghee
CB R. Swanson
SS P. Ghee, C. Vaughn
FS Gattis


41) *South Florida 2007
DE G. Selvie
DT T. McClain
DT A. Harris
DE Buie
OLB T. McKenzie
ILB B. Moffitt
OLB Momperimer
CB M. Jenkins
CB T. Williams, J. Murphy
SS N. Allen, L. Gachette
FS C. Williams


42) *Kansas State 2001
DE C. Coffman
DT T. Reese
DT R. Berry
DE Shull, B. Hickman
OLB B. Leber
ILB T. Pierce, T. Sims
OLB J. Buhl
CB T. Newman
CB D. Faggins
SS J. McGraw
FS R. Washington, M. Proctor


43) *UNC 2009
DE R. Quinn, Q. Coples
DT M. Austin
DT C. Thomas, T. Powell
DE EJ. Wilson, M. McAdoo
OLB B. Carter
ILB Q. Sturdivant
OLB Z. Brown
CB K. Burney
CB C. Brown
SS M. Williams, M. Merletti
FS D. Williams, D. Searcy



44) *UCLA 2001
DE K. Coleman
DT R. Leisle
DT Fletcher
DE D. Ball, M. Ball
OLB B. Chillar
ILB R. Thomas, M. Reese
OLB S. Havner, R. Nece
CB M. Ware, M. Cassell
CB R. Manning, J. Hunter
SS M. Anderson
FS B. Emanuel


45) *Miami Hurricanes 2006
DE B. Atkins, B. Pata
DT A. Dixon
DT K. Brown
DE C. Campbell. V. Franklin
OLB J. Beason, C. McCarthy
ILB G. Cook
OLB T. Gooden, R. Davis
CB B. Johnson
CB G. Sharpe, R. Phillips
SS B. Meriweather, A. Reddick
FS K. Phillips, W. Cooper


46) *NC State 2005
DE M. Williams, L. Wright
DT D. Pressley, A. Cash
DT J. McCargo, D. Tyler
DE M. Lawson, W. Young
OLB S. Tulloch
ILB O. Hoyte
OLB P. Lowery
CB AJ Davis
CB M. Hudson
SS G. Heath
FS L. Rumph, D. Morgan


47) *Notre Dame 2003
DE Tuck
DT C. Hilliard, D. Landri
DT T. Laws
DE V. Abiamiri, D. Stephenson
OLB M. Goolsby
ILB B. Hoyte
OLB D. Curry, C. Watson
CB A. Wooden
CB V. Duff
SS Zbikowski
FS G. Earl



48 ) *Louisville 2004
DE E. Dumervil
DT Okoye, Graddy
DT M. Stanley
DE M. Jones
OLB B. Johnson
ILB R. McCune, L. Myles
OLB M. Jackson, J. Jackerson
CB R. Council, A. Sharp
CB W. Gaay, G. Smart
SS K. Rhodes
FS B. Sharp


49) *Purdue 2003
DE S. Phillips
DT C. Terrill
DT B. Villarreal
DE R. Edwards, E. Bright
OLB L. Johnson
ILB Koutouvides, G. Hall
OLB G. Gardner, S. Keglar
CB J. Reeves
CB A. Rogers
SS B. Pollard
FS S. Schweigert


50) *UNC 2001
DE J. Peppers
DT R. Sims
DT E. Davis
DE J. Evans, J. Dumas
OLB D. Thornton
ILB Q. Monk
OLB S. Williams
CB E. Hood
CB M. Waddell
SS D. Reid
FS D. Coleman


51) *TCU 2007
DE T. Blake, J. Hughes
DT Christopher
DT J. Vess
DE C. Ortiz
OLB J. Phillips
ILB D. Hawthorne
OLB R. Henson, D. Washington
CB R. Priest
CB N. Sanders
SS S. Hodge
FS D. Roach, B. Bonner


52) *Washington State 2002
DE I. Brown
DT R. Long
DT Tupai
DE Acholonu
OLB K. Sperry
ILB W. Derting
OLB P. Bennett
CB M. Trufant
CB K. Paymah, J. David
SS E. Coleman
FS H. Abdullah


53) *Wisconsin 2000
DE Welsh
DT W. Bryant
DT Sprague
DE E. James
OLB R. Knight
ILB N. Griesen
OLB J. Mack
CB J. Fletcher
CB M. Echols, BJ Tucker
SS B. Brown
FS J. Doering


54) *Cal 2006
DE Ma'afala
DT Mebane
DT T. Alualu
DE Tafisi
OLB A. Felder
ILB D. Bishop
OLB W. Williams, Z. Follett
CB D. Hughes
CB T. Mixon
SS B. Hicks
FS T. DeCoud


55) *Tennessee 2008
DE R. Ayers
DT D. Williams
DT D. Bolden
DE W. Brown, B. Martin
OLB R. McCoy
ILB Myers-White
OLB L. Thompson
CB D. Willingham
CB M. Johnson
SS E. Berry
FS D. Morley, A. Gaines


56) *Georgia Tech 2006
DE M. Johnson
DT J. Anoai, D. Robertson
DT D. Richard, V. Walker
DE A. Oliver
OLB K. Hall
ILB P. Wheeler
OLB G. Guyton
CB K. Scott, A. Roberson
CB Word-Daniels
SS J. Lewis
FS D. Jones


57) *Virginia 2005
DE C. Canty
DT A. Hoffman
DE C. Long
OLB Blackstock
ILB A. Brooks, J. Cooper
ILB K. Parham, J. Dias
OLB C. Sintim
CB M .Hamilton
CB T. Franklin
SS M. Weeks
FS J. Hardy


58 ) *Arizona 1998
DE Tafoya, K. Fraser
DT D. Greer
DT I. Haroon
DE M. Robertson
OLB D. Polk
ILB M. Bell
OLB Sprotte A. Pierce
CB C. McAllister
CB K. Hunter
SS G. Payne
FS R. Jones


59) *Utah 2008
DE P. Kruger
DT Talamaivao
DT Filiaga
DE K. Misi
OLB Sylvester
ILB M. Wright
OLB Fotu
CB S. Smith
CB B. McCain, R, Stanford
SS J. Dale
FS R. Johnson


60) *LSU 1999
DE J. Green
DT K. Allen
DT J. Mitchell
DE K. Mitchell
OLB B. James
ILB T. Faulk
OLB C. Smith
CB M. Roman
CB F. Booker, D. Hookfin
SS C. LeBlanc
FS R. Clark, D. James


61) *Kansas 2005
DE C. Keith
DT C. Blakesley
DT J. McClinton
DE J. Wheeler
OLB J. Mortensen, B. Perkins
ILB N. Reid
OLB M. Rivera, J. Holt
CB A. Talib
CB C. Gordon
SS J. Kemp
FS D. Stuckey, J. Thornton




62) *Oregon State 2006
DE D. Smith
DT Silvira
DT W. Vea
DE Van Orsow
OLB D. Doggett
ILB A. Darlin, K. Kristick
OLB LaRocque
CB B. Hughes, J. Dockery
CB K. Lewis
SS S. Piscitelli
FS Afalava



63) *Oregon 2007
DE N. Reed
DT R. Harris
DT Linehan
DE Tukuafu
OLB Paysinger, Matthews
ILB Bacon
OLB Tuitele
CB Byrd, Glasper
CB Thurmond
SS Chung
FS T. Ward




*Note the rosters are as exact as I could get, it is quite hard however to find a up to date and accurate roster from the late 90's

iowatreat54 06-22-2010 09:37 AM

I think you missed the boat with Iowa.

2008 defense
DE- Clayborn
DT- King (Klug backing up)
DT- Kroul
DE- Ballard (Binns backing up)
OLB- Edds
MLB- Angerer
OLB- Hunter
CB- Fletcher
CB- Spievey
FS- Greenwood
SS- Sash

Overall, the DL and Secondary are much better than the 05 team. 05 was probably better at LB, but only because Hodge and Greenway were machines. But Edd and Angerer aren't too far behind. On the 08 defense, there are already 4 draft picks, and likely Clayborn, Ballard, Binns, Sash, and probably Hunter will all get drafted, the first 3 in the first 3 rounds I'm sure. Granted, King and Kroul weren't NFL prospects really, but as college DTs they were ridiculous despite being tiny.

Overall, the 08 defense > 05 defense, imo.

Ozzy 06-22-2010 09:48 AM

Quote:

Overall, the DL and Secondary are much better than the 05 team. 05 was probably better at LB, but only because Hodge and Greenway were machines. But Edd and Angerer aren't too far behind. On the 08 defense, there are already 4 draft picks, and likely Clayborn, Ballard, Binns, Sash, and probably Hunter will all get drafted, the first 3 in the first 3 rounds I'm sure. Granted, King and Kroul weren't NFL prospects really, but as college DTs they were ridiculous despite being tiny.

Overall, the 08 defense > 05 defense, imo.
I disagree, because Greenway and Hodge are worlds ahead of those linebackers on Iowa in 08, it is not even close. As for the corners, depends on how much you like Spievey, I really like Allen and Johnson, both not great pro players but fine college players. Could also argue Greenwood and Sash were not what they are now back in 08. Also could argue the depth in 05 at defensive back is better as well. The defensive line is clearly better however again one could argue Clayborn was not the player he is now back then, and Binns did not even see the field did he? Still though Greenway trumps them all, he alone is better than all three of those linebackers combined. Or at least that is my opinion. If one thinks Spievey is Deion Sanders like and Angerer is a pro bowl inside linebacker then maybe, but my opinion on those two clearly is not as high as yours. Also hard to have the 08 team when potentially the 09 defensive line and or this up coming 10 defensive line is far better than the 08 line would ever dream of being.

Yes it is debatable however, but again Greenway and Hodge are the closers in my book for the debate.

wonderbredd24 06-22-2010 10:01 AM

Ohio State's National Championship Defense nowhere to be found...

iowatreat54 06-22-2010 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozzy (Post 2206560)
I disagree, because Greenway and Hodge are worlds ahead of those linebackers on Iowa in 08, it is not even close. As for the corners, depends on how much you like Spievey, I really like Allen and Johnson, both not great pro players but fine college players. Could also argue Greenwood and Sash were not what they are now back in 08. Also could argue the depth in 05 at defensive back is better as well. The defensive line is clearly better however again one could argue Clayborn was not the player he is now back then, and Binns did not even see the field did he? Still though Greenway trumps them all, he alone is better than all three of those linebackers combined. Or at least that is my opinion. If one thinks Spievey is Deion Sanders like and Angerer is a pro bowl inside linebacker then maybe, but my opinion on those two clearly is not as high as yours. Also hard to have the 08 team when potentially the 09 defensive line and or this up coming 10 defensive line is far better than the 08 line would ever dream of being.

Yes it is debatable however, but again Greenway and Hodge are the closers in my book for the debate.

That's fair. Like I said, Hodge and Greenway are easily better. But that Edds and Angerer aren't bad either, but yes there is a large gap between the two pairs. As for the DL, it's easily better in 08 than 05. Iwebema was talented, but never produced up to his talent level. Clayborn in 08 was at least equal to Iwebema. Mattison was pretty productive, but no where near as talented as Ballard. That was Ballards 1st year starting and 2nd ever playing DE, and while he probably wasn't as productive, he was still very good. And 08 King/Kroul were obviously better than 05.

I would agree on depth in the secondary in 08, but first Shada shouldn't count for anything because he was worthless. Also, if we are going to say Clayborn and Sash (will get to him) weren't the players in 08 that they are now, then you can't say Godfrey and Fletcher were good depth because neither really saw the field in 05, to my recollection. So, you really can't say in 05 that they would be good backups knowing what we know now. If you do, then you have to say the same for Clayborn and Sash.

As for Sash, his frosh year in 08 may not have been as good as 09, but he is still better than either safety in 05 by a lot. I believe he led the Big XI in INTs in 08, but don't know his tackle numbers off the top of my head. The one thing I will say is that in 08 Greenwood was pretty terrible. To the corners, both pairs were very good for Iowa. However, I'll take Spievey over the other 3. He was probably our best CB in 08, and while not lockdown like 09, he was still well above average, but was overshadowed by a "career" year by Fletcher.

Again, it's just my opinion, but I'd take the 08 D every time based on talent and production. 05 probably wasn't as talented, but was super productive, whereas 08 has a lot of talent and wasn't super productive (yet) but just above average.

Either way, I'm enjoying your lists. You're doing a great job, and it makes the offseason a little better. :)

Ozzy 06-22-2010 10:42 AM

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wonderbredd24 Ohio State's National Championship Defense nowhere to be found...
Very good point, however I do not include any defenses that over lap one another. Here are those two rosters, or at least the ones I could find.


2005
DE V. Gholston
DT Q. Pitcock
DT M. Green, D. Patterson
DE M. Kudla, J. Richardson
OLB B. Carpenter, M. Freeman
ILB A. Schlegel, J. Laurinaitis, M. D'Andrea
OLB AJ Hawk, C. Terry
CB A. Youboty, T. Everett
CB M. Jenkins, D. Washington
SS D. Whitner, A. Russell
FS N. Salley


2002
DE W. Smith, S. Fraser, Kudla
DT D. Scott, Pitcock
DT Pickett, T. Anderson, M. Green
DE K. Peterson, J. Richardson
OLB B. Carpenter, Hawk
ILB Wihelm, M. D'Andrea
OLB C. Grant, R. Reynolds
CB C. Gamble
CB D. Fox, Underwood
SS Doss, T. Everett
FS W. Allen, Nickey, Salley


The 2002 team has a far superior defensive line with Smith, Pickett and Peterson being on the roster so point for them. The 2005 team has much better linebackers as a group, the 02 team was good but not great and Carpenter was not the player he was later, neither was Hawk, that 05 team Hawk was a monster and Carpenter was as well, much less they have James on the team also, Schegel and Freeman. Then it comes down to the defensive backs, I love Doss and really loved will Allen, and Gamble was a big time play maker. However the 05 team Jenkins is a flat out stud and was forever, Washington was very talented and Youboty was extremely talented. I would also say Whitner was a better safety than Doss in some ways, and Salley was not as good as Will Allen but still solid. However I guess the playmaking ability of Gamble was never matched in 05. So I will agree with you and switch out the 05 defense to the 02 defense because of the defensive backs and the defensive line.

keylime_5 06-22-2010 10:55 AM

Pickett was a Ram in 2002. We had Smith/Anderson/Peterson/Scott as our D-Line with Simon Fraser as the main backup at DE and David Thompson the main backup at DT. 2002 DLine was definitely superior but as a unit and in terms of overall talent I agree that 2005 was a better defense. They didn't win the championship that year but it wasn't the defense's fault that the offense got off to a slow start.

This was our 2005 defense, so loaded:

DE-David Patterson
DT-Marcus Green
DT-Quinn Pitcock
DE-Mike Kudla
WLB-AJ Hawk
MLB-Anthony Schlegel
SLB-Bobby Carpenter
CB-Ashton Youboty
CB-Tyler Everett
FS-Nate Salley
SS-Donte Whitner
NB-Malcolm Jenkins

not to mention Vernon Gholston who redshirted that year b/c of injury, and James Laurinaitis who was a true freshman and the #4 linebacker.

Ozzy 06-22-2010 11:31 AM

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keylime_5
Pickett was a Ram in 2002. We had Smith/Anderson/Peterson/Scott as our D-Line with Simon Fraser as the main backup at DE and David Thompson the main backup at DT. 2002 DLine was definitely superior but as a unit and in terms of overall talent I agree that 2005 was a better defense. They didn't win the championship that year but it wasn't the defense's fault that the offense got off to a slow start.

This was our 2005 defense, so loaded:

DE-David Patterson
DT-Marcus Green
DT-Quinn Pitcock
DE-Mike Kudla
WLB-AJ Hawk
MLB-Anthony Schlegel
SLB-Bobby Carpenter
CB-Ashton Youboty
CB-Tyler Everett
FS-Nate Salley
SS-Donte Whitner
NB-Malcolm Jenkins

not to mention Vernon Gholston who redshirted that year b/c of injury, and James Laurinaitis who was a true freshman and the #4 linebacker.
I know very tough call, however I view Will Smith as a far better lineman than Gholston and Tim Anderson, Fraser and Scott were beasts in the middle, Pitcock was good but not great.

It is a tough call, and since the rosters over lap I cannot have both. Still the playmaking ability of Gamble and the fine player in Will Allen tip it for me.

Very tough call though.

Michigan 06-22-2010 11:53 AM

2006 Michigan should be on the list (which is way too biased towards the present, btw). Woodley and Hall were finalists for pretty much every award, and the defense had 2 first team All-Americans + 2 second team All-Americans. Allowed just 43 rushing YPG (lowest by any team since 1985) on 1.9 YPC. One of the most successful in the NFL too.

DE: LaMarr Woodley
DT: Terrence Taylor
DT: Alan Branch
DE: Rondell Biggs
WILL: Prescott Burgess
MIKE: David Harris
SAM: Shawn Crable
CB: Leon Hall
CB: Morgan Trent
SS: Jamar Adams
FS: Brandent Engleman

ironman4579 06-22-2010 12:02 PM

I'd put 2006 Michigan at the very least over 2007 Illinois.

'06 Michigan

#15 Scoring D
#1 Rush D
#10 Total D
#4 sacks
#13 tackles for loss

DT-Alan Branch, Terrance Taylor
DE-LaMarr Woodley, Rondell Biggs
DE-Brandon Graham, Tim Jamison
OLB-Shawn Crable, Prescott Burgess
MLB-David Harris
CB-Leon Hall, Morgan Trent
S-Jamar Adams, Willis Barringer

2 first rounders, 3 second round picks, 1 third round pick, 10 players currently on NFL rosters.


'07 Illinois

#13 sacks

You already have Illinois' roster up. '06 Michigan finished top 20 in 5 defensive categories, including the #1 rush D in the nation. Illinois was able to finish top 20 in one category, sacks, and '06 Michigan finished higher and had more. How many of the guys from Illinois are even on NFL rosters? '07 Illinois was barely a mediocre defense that year, let alone one of the top 25 defensive units over the past decade.

K Train 06-22-2010 12:19 PM

that miami group is just ******* dirty

Ozzy 06-22-2010 12:20 PM

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Michigan

2006 Michigan should be on the list (which is way too biased towards the present, btw). Woodley and Hall were finalists for pretty much every award, and the defense had 2 first team All-Americans + 2 second team All-Americans. Allowed just 43 rushing YPG (lowest by any team since 1985) on 1.9 YPC. One of the most successful in the NFL too.

DE: LaMarr Woodley
DT: Terrence Taylor
DT: Alan Branch
DE: Rondell Biggs
WILL: Prescott Burgess
MIKE: David Harris
SAM: Shawn Crable
CB: Leon Hall
CB: Morgan Trent
SS: Jamar Adams
FS: Brandent Engleman
First off if you can read, I said I was looking between the time of 1997 and 2009. Why would I try to rank a defense I never even saw play? No offense but I did not even watch college football till 1997 so clearly a list based on all eternity is not possible for me to do at least.

Good point Michigan could be on there, you say they are better than the 07 Illinois team which I disagree with. The defensive backs on Illinois are far better, V. Davis was a stud, Mitchell was a great college safety and Alan Ball I was a huge fan of. The Michigan safeties I was never a fan of, Engleman was nothing special and Adams never reached his potential. The linebackers yes of course, they are just great on Michigan, but I feel a lot of people underrate Steele as a linebacker and Leman was an absolutely outstanding college player. The defensive line, outside of Woodley is even I feel, Illinois had few absolute stars but a lot of good solid depth, but yes Woodley shifts it for them. End result in my opinion Illinois had better depth in the secondary and on the defensive line but do not have the stars Michigan had.

But yes I will have to think about it, because they are possibly better than that South Florida defense.



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ironman4579 I'd put 2006 Michigan at the very least over 2007 Illinois.

'06 Michigan

#15 Scoring D
#1 Rush D
#10 Total D
#4 sacks
#13 tackles for loss

DT-Alan Branch, Terrance Taylor
DE-LaMarr Woodley, Rondell Biggs
DE-Brandon Graham, Tim Jamison
OLB-Shawn Crable, Prescott Burgess
MLB-David Harris
CB-Leon Hall, Morgan Trent
S-Jamar Adams, Willis Barringer

2 first rounders, 3 second round picks, 1 third round pick, 10 players currently on NFL rosters.


'07 Illinois

#13 sacks

You already have Illinois' roster up. '06 Michigan finished top 20 in 5 defensive categories, including the #1 rush D in the nation. Illinois was able to finish top 20 in one category, sacks, and '06 Michigan finished higher and had more. How many of the guys from Illinois are even on NFL rosters? '07 Illinois was barely a mediocre defense that year, let alone one of the top 25 defensive units over the past decade.
How is Illinois defense last year relevant to this discussion? That makes no sense. As for statistics, I never look at them, or rarely do, because one can alter them when looking at who they play, play weak competition of course you will have a great defense.

And if one wants to play the statistic game, then why did this great Michigan defense get dominated against Ohio State and USC the last two games of the season. In both games gave up season high in points with over 30 each game? That might by why they did not instantly come to mind when thinking of great defenses off the top of my head. Also screams to the issue of competition played, thus I do not look at statistics with such a list, much less the hell it would be to find those statistics ;o)


I went on players and yes one can really argue Michigan had better overall players. I was really high on Mitchell and Ball though in college, and I feel their defensive backs again on Illinois are better. But yes if you just look at pro players that is a great defense. I will think about including them on the list.

Michigan 06-22-2010 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozzy (Post 2206648)
First off if you can read, I said I was looking between the time of 1997 and 2009. Why would I try to rank a defense I never even saw play? No offense but I did not even watch college football till 1997 so clearly a list based on all eternity is not possible for me to do at least.

I'm saying it's too biased towards the 2007-2009 period. Nebraska's 09 defense is definitely not the best they've had since '97, Texas '09 defense is a fringe top 25 at best, and South Florida and Illinois (WHAT!?) should not be on there at all.

ironman4579 06-22-2010 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozzy (Post 2206648)
First off if you can read, I said I was looking between the time of 1997 and 2009. Why would I try to rank a defense I never even saw play? No offense but I did not even watch college football till 1997 so clearly a list based on all eternity is not possible for me to do at least.

Good point Michigan could be on there, you say they are better than the 07 Illinois team which I disagree with. The defensive backs on Illinois are far better, V. Davis was a stud, Mitchell was a great college safety and Alan Ball I was a huge fan of. The Michigan safeties I was never a fan of, Engleman was nothing special and Adams never reached his potential. The linebackers yes of course, they are just great on Michigan, but I feel a lot of people underrate Steele as a linebacker and Leman was an absolutely outstanding college player. The defensive line, outside of Woodley is even I feel, Illinois had few absolute stars but a lot of good solid depth, but yes Woodley shifts it for them. End result in my opinion Illinois had better depth in the secondary and on the defensive line but do not have the stars Michigan had.

But yes I will have to think about it, because they are possibly better than that South Florida defense.



How is Illinois defense last year relevant to this discussion? That makes no sense. As for statistics, I never look at them, or rarely do, because one can alter them when looking at who they play, play weak competition of course you will have a great defense.

And if one wants to play the statistic game, then why did this great Michigan defense get dominated against Ohio State and USC the last two games of the season. In both games gave up season high in points with over 30 each game? That might by why they did not instantly come to mind when thinking of great defenses off the top of my head. Also screams to the issue of competition played, thus I do not look at statistics with such a list, much less the hell it would be to find those statistics ;o)


I went on players and yes one can really argue Michigan had better overall players. I was really high on Mitchell and Ball though in college, and I feel their defensive backs again on Illinois are better. But yes if you just look at pro players that is a great defense. I will think about including them on the list.


I never said a word about last years Illinois team, unless last year was '07. Briinging up Illinois is completely relevant because you have them on a list of the top 25 best defenses of the last decade. And I'm sorry, there's no way they belong on there. Like, at all.

One player got dominated against USC. Morgan Trent. He was the weak point of that defense. If we're playing the "got dominated" game, '07 Illinois gave up 40 to Missouri, 49 to USC.

I would completely disagree with Illinois secondary being that much better.Leon Hall was, at worst, equal with Davis, and likely better because he was actually willing to work hard. Technically he was far superior, though david might have had the edge in pure athleticism. Jamar Adams was underrated. Michigan has a big edge in LB, and I'll take Woodley and Branch over anyone on Illinois defense. Throwing in freshman Brandon Graham makes it a no brainer. If you didn't want to put Michigan on there, fine. I realize it's difficult to rank teams. But there's no way that Illinois team should be on there. I'm not even sure I'd put that '06 Florida on the list over '06 Michigan.

Brent 06-22-2010 01:57 PM

how is 1997, 1998, 1999 in the last decade?

wonderbredd24 06-22-2010 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ozzy (Post 2206592)
Very good point, however I do not include any defenses that over lap one another.

So 2002 and 2005 Ohio State can't both be on the list, but 2002 and 2005 USC can?

keylime_5 06-22-2010 03:31 PM

i thought USC's defense in 2008 was better than in 2005 going on memory but I could be wrong. Maybe it's just b/c the Texas game sticks out from 2005, but I know OSU's defense in 2005 was clearly better than USC's, just ask Vince Young. We beat up on Vince pretty good after the first quarter.

Sniper 06-22-2010 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ironman4579 (Post 2206661)
I never said a word about last years Illinois team, unless last year was '07. Briinging up Illinois is completely relevant because you have them on a list of the top 25 best defenses of the last decade. And I'm sorry, there's no way they belong on there. Like, at all.

One player got dominated against USC. Morgan Trent. He was the weak point of that defense. If we're playing the "got dominated" game, '07 Illinois gave up 40 to Missouri, 49 to USC.

Silly facts and ****. Always getting in the way.

Seriously, how can a defense be one of the top 25 defenses of the past "decade" if they ranked in the top 20 in exactly one category? Consider the fact that the one category had nothing to do with points and yardage, and you have zero case for Illinois being one of the top 25 defenses of the past decade. It's a stretch that they'd be one of the top 25 defenses of the Big 10 alone for that stretch.

Sniper 06-22-2010 06:37 PM

'07 Illinois

26th in scoring D
83rd (!!!) in passing D
36th in rushing D

No matter which way you try to spin it, that's a far cry from one of the top 25 defenses since 1997.

critesy 06-22-2010 06:51 PM

auburns 2004 13-0 defense was very well rounded. maybe not top 25 cause im biased but they were very good.

Defensive Coordinator was gene chizik (now hc)
#1 in PPG defense with 11.2
#5 yards/game 269.6
7/13 opponents held at or under 10 points (4 sec games)
1 shutout
28 was the highest someone got on them. (tenn seccg)
it was basically a defense filled with undersized fast players.

de - bret eddins, marquis gunn
dt - jay ratliff, pat sims
dt - tommy jackson
de - stanley mcclover, quentin groves
olb - karibi dede
mlb - travis williams
olb - antarrious williams
cb - carlos rogers, pat lee
fs - will herring
ss - junior rosegreen
cb - david irons

CashmoneyDrew 06-22-2010 07:01 PM

Your definition of the last decade is much looser than mine.

GB12 06-22-2010 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brent (Post 2206727)
how is 1997, 1998, 1999 in the last decade?

Quote:

I have only been really paying attention to college football since 1997, so the time span I am looking at is between 1997 and 2009, so a little more than a decade.
m,zxczx,cx

Brent 06-22-2010 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GB12 (Post 2206997)
m,zxczx,cx

that's still 12 years.

GB12 06-22-2010 08:18 PM

Yeah, he said it was a little more than a decade...

yourfavestoner 06-22-2010 08:38 PM

Wasn't Clay Matthews bench fodder for USC until, like, a quarter of the way through his senior season? In 2005, he was the size of a large safety.


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