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J-Mike88 11-24-2010 08:56 AM

E Gordon Gee
 
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Even if TCU and Boise State run the table, they still don't deserve to be in the Bowl Championship Series title game, Ohio State president E. Gordon Gee said Wednesday.

In an interview with The Associated Press, the president at the university with the largest athletic program in the country said that TCU and Boise State do not face a difficult enough schedule to play in the national championship game.

Gee, long an admirer of the BCS and the current bowl system, said he was against a playoff in the Football Bowl Subdivision because it was "a slippery slope to professionalism."

A former president at West Virginia, Colorado, Brown and Vanderbilt universities, Gee said he favored the "mixed-up mystery" of the current system.

Sniper 11-24-2010 09:05 AM

Feel free to add a link the next time that you jack an entire article.

As much as I'd usually agree with the thread title, he's right in his Boise/TCU point. Like I've said before, if you let them in the NC game, you might as well open the BCS title game to any undefeated football team in America from any football level.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock 11-24-2010 09:10 AM

Outside of Wisconsin, what tough teams did Ohio state play this year? Can't wait to see the buckeyes get stomped in their bowl game.

BeerBaron 11-24-2010 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88 (Post 2395601)
Gee, long an admirer of the BCS and the current bowl system, said he was against a playoff in the Football Bowl Subdivision because it was "a slippery slope to professionalism."

Didn't even need to hear anything more, that part of it right there told me that this person is clearly a dangerously insane human being not deserving of the air he breathes.

bearsfan_51 11-24-2010 09:20 AM

It's not a baseless point. I'm not at all convinced that a school like Boise State could run the table in any of the four major conferences (sorry ACC).

Utah will be a good barometer of that next year. Until then we really can't say.

That said, they deserve a chance at this point. There's nothing left for them to do. If they get stomped, they get stomped. End of discussion.

bearsfan_51 11-24-2010 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bob Sanders Dreadlock (Post 2395611)
Outside of Wisconsin, what tough teams did Ohio state play this year? Can't wait to see the buckeyes get stomped in their bowl game.

Miami and Iowa aren't exactly cupcakes. But yeah, their schedule wasn't much tougher than Boise or TCU.

BeerBaron 11-24-2010 09:27 AM

Is it too much of a stretch to say that, if Ohio State were to play Boise/TCU in the Rose Bowl, they'd lose? They'd certainly be "favored" but with TP at QB (that's actually not fair to real QBs...I should call him a "passing athlete..."), you can't totally count on OSU against a legit opponent, which I think Boise or TCU would be.

Boise in particular hasn't just been squeaking by against their weak opponents, they've been absolutely crushing them. They're not a whacky team who gets by with trickeration on offense like they when they beat Oklahoma or like Hawaii with Colt Brennan.

I'd love to see Boise (or TCU) play OSU.

bearsfan_51 11-24-2010 09:30 AM

TCU or Boise would definitely be the favorites to beat Ohio State this year.

That's also the most realistic Rose Bowl matchup at this point.

SolidGold 11-24-2010 09:31 AM

No big surprise here, one of the biggest beneficiaries of the BCS does not want anyone new stirring the pot.

TCU or Boise St. have just as much talent as OSU. They both have great defenses and I bet each offense could put up numbers on OSU. I would love if somehow OSU is matched up with one of these teams in a bowl game this year, nothing like seeing a team from the establishment losing to one of these non-traditional college football powers.

BeerBaron 11-24-2010 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold (Post 2395630)
No big surprise here, one of the biggest beneficiaries of the BCS does not want anyone new stirring the pot.

TCU or Boise St. have just as much talent as OSU. They both have great defenses and I bet each offense could put up numbers on OSU. I would love if somehow OSU is matched up with one of these teams in a bowl game this year, nothing like seeing a team from the establishment losing to one of these non-traditional college football powers.

And I'd hope that they'd beat OSU handily too....If the Boise team that beat Oklahama played them 10 times, I think Oklahoma would have won the other 9.

But this Boise team is totally legit, as is TCU imo. I don't think they'd run a an automatic qualifier other than the Big East, but I think they'd have a great chance at winning most of them with a loss or two. Their talent is on par and they've got excellent coaches who have committed themselves to the programs.

JoeJoeBrown 11-24-2010 10:27 AM

The idiocy in this thread made my head explode.

I hope BSU and TCU play big boy teams this bowl season. We'll see how they actually rack and stack compared to teams with real depth and strength across all positions.

And you can't just handwave their crappy schedules away. The biggest difference between a powerhouse and a team like BSU is the depth of quality players. A tough schedule is going to cause players to get injured and force backups to play significantly more.

If you are playing a bunch of terrible teams with poor players, you aren't going to suffer much attrition. They haven't had to go through that.

Sniper 11-24-2010 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown (Post 2395692)
The idiocy in this thread made my head explode.

I hope BSU and TCU play big boy teams this bowl season. We'll see how they actually rack and stack compared to teams with real depth and strength across all positions.

And you can't just handwave their crappy schedules away. The biggest difference between a powerhouse and a team like BSU is the depth of quality players. A tough schedule is going to cause players to get injured and force backups to play significantly more.

If you are playing a bunch of terrible teams with poor players, you aren't going to suffer much attrition. They haven't had to go through that.

BUT THEY BEATZ FRESNO STATE BY ELEVENTY GAZILLION POINTZZZ!!!!!!!

Seriously, at least someone has some ******* logic.

Crickett 11-24-2010 10:49 AM

Can someone explain to me why this was allowed to be a problem for a second year in a row? Last year, TCU and Boise State were top five ranked teams that ended up playing against each other in their bowl game, why weren't some better games scheduled this year???

There is a marquee team out there that is bowl game ineligible this year and next year. Why didn't TCU OR Boise State face them this year?


Forgive my ignorance as I really don't know much about how the college football system works.

dabears10 11-24-2010 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Sniper (Post 2395693)
BUT THEY BEATZ FRESNO STATE BY ELEVENTY GAZILLION POINTZZZ!!!!!!!

Seriously, at least someone has some ******* logic.

If this is the case then why do these teams even play in the same division?

If a team has no chance at the beginning of the year to win a championship it seems like they should have a seperate division altogther.

I would make college football more like English Premier League style demotion system. Have say 40 teams across 4 Leagues in Division 1. You demote the bottom 5 and promote the top 5 from each league.

Currently say if Boise had 3 or 4 top 25 teams on the schedule they still don't deserve a chance at a Championship. Why would it make sense they are then even playing?

Sniper 11-24-2010 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by dabears10 (Post 2395734)
If this is the case then why do these teams even play in the same division?

They don't. That's why Boise's not in an AQ league.

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I would make college football more like English Premier League style demotion system. Have say 40 teams across 4 Leagues in Division 1. You demote the bottom 5 and promote the top 5 from each league.
That's all well and good, but it's not happening.

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Currently say if Boise had 3 or 4 top 25 teams on the schedule they still don't deserve a chance at a Championship. Why would it make sense they are then even playing?
Not sure what you're going for here.

dabears10 11-24-2010 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Sniper (Post 2395735)
They don't. That's why Boise's not in an AQ league.



That's all well and good, but it's not happening.



Not sure what you're going for here.

In a perfect system everyone that is playing should be able to win a championship. Currently that cannot happen.

Don Vito 11-24-2010 11:13 AM

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I do know, having been both a Southeastern Conference president and a Big Ten president, that it's like murderer's row every week for these schools. We do not play the Little Sisters of the Poor. We play very fine schools on any given day.
Haha wow

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5845736

SickwithIt1010 11-24-2010 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown (Post 2395692)
The idiocy in this thread made my head explode.

I hope BSU and TCU play big boy teams this bowl season. We'll see how they actually rack and stack compared to teams with real depth and strength across all positions.

And you can't just handwave their crappy schedules away. The biggest difference between a powerhouse and a team like BSU is the depth of quality players. A tough schedule is going to cause players to get injured and force backups to play significantly more.

If you are playing a bunch of terrible teams with poor players, you aren't going to suffer much attrition. They haven't had to go through that.

You guys keep saying you hope they play the big boys this year, i dont ******* get why that is. You guys all think theyre going to get their ass kicked and aside from Hawaii every single Non-AQ school that has gotten the chance to play in a BCS game has come out on top.

BSU stunning OU, Utah beating the **** out Bama, BSU over TCU....great game but i guess you can say one lost.

You guys act like its a given that these teams are just going to roll over once they get on the field.

If you watch BSU play they have just about as much depth as anyone in the country. You can see someone different playing the same position on every snap of the game and they wont skip a beat. But what it really comes down to, is i think that BSU and TCU have arguably the 2 best coaches in the country and that shows week in and week out.



insert (play a ******* schedule) rant right here

Sniper 11-24-2010 01:38 PM

Like I've said before, it's not hard to get up for one game when you've played a bunch of patsies all year that don't really force you to use your depth and challenge you consistently.

bearsfan_51 11-24-2010 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dabears10 (Post 2395734)
If this is the case then why do these teams even play in the same division?

If a team has no chance at the beginning of the year to win a championship it seems like they should have a seperate division altogther.

I would make college football more like English Premier League style demotion system. Have say 40 teams across 4 Leagues in Division 1. You demote the bottom 5 and promote the top 5 from each league.

Currently say if Boise had 3 or 4 top 25 teams on the schedule they still don't deserve a chance at a Championship. Why would it make sense they are then even playing?

Because in college football the divisions are interested in protecting each other.

On that note, however, a system like that in major league baseball is a LONG time coming. It's ridiculous that the Yankees and the Royals are in the same league year after year, especially when a minor league system already exists.

SickwithIt1010 11-24-2010 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper (Post 2395887)
Like I've said before, it's not hard to get up for one game when you've played a bunch of patsies all year that don't really force you to use your depth and challenge you consistently.

Ok, then if its not that hard why do you all assume that they are going to get their asses kicked?

bearsfan_51 11-24-2010 01:48 PM

All this being said, I don't really have a problem with the BCS, but this is the wrong year for Gee to be making these statements (which is why he's making them).

Boise State and TCU have played pretty tough schedules.

JoeJoeBrown 11-24-2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SickwithIt1010 (Post 2395893)
Ok, then if its not that hard why do you all assume that they are going to get their asses kicked?

1) We are saying that they don't deserve it because they don't play the schedule that would expose their lack of depth.

2) You are right, a one game season (i.e. bowl game) gives them an optimal chance at success.

If we are going to reward this kind of crap scheduling, a traditional power like Notre Dame should just play rinky dink teams all year to get to the NC. Texas should quit the Big12 and play nobodies.

We'd have a bunch of undefeated teams that are untested claiming that they were the best and should be in the NC.

Gee is an attention *****, and loves to give soundbites. A playoff is needed, if, and only if, we really want to see a vetted national champion.

Sniper 11-24-2010 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SickwithIt1010 (Post 2395893)
Ok, then if its not that hard why do you all assume that they are going to get their asses kicked?

You will be hard-pressed to find a quote from me that says Boise and TCU would get their asses kicked in a one-game scenario.

SickwithIt1010 11-24-2010 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper (Post 2395911)
You will be hard-pressed to find a quote from me that says Boise and TCU would get their asses kicked in a one-game scenario.

well i guess this original statement was made at JoeJoeBrown but you were the one who responded to my post, so my apologies sir.


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