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dan77733 12-22-2010 02:20 AM

Alex Smith or Mike Singletary
 
While the majority of us probably want both of them to be gone, if you had to choose one or the other to come back in 2011, which one would you pick?

My vote goes to Alex Smith.

abaddon41_80 12-22-2010 11:00 AM

I don't see how anyone could possibly pick Mike Singletary if you have to pick one of them to come back. To be honest, I can actually see Alex coming back if he finishes out the season well. The new coach will want his own young QB but keeping around Alex as a backup would be smart.

Goon61 12-22-2010 06:06 PM

I hate Alex Smith. He is a good guy and he is smart but he does not have the instincts or bravado(sp?) to be a QB. I would take anyone over him

Brent 12-22-2010 06:07 PM

I thought I was supposed to vote on who I did not want to come back. I would rather keep Alex than Singletary.

LizardState 12-22-2010 06:37 PM

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I thought I was supposed to vote on who I did not want to come back. I would rather keep Alex than Singletary.
Edit: I misunderstood as well, dump the HC & keep Alex.

Voted Singletary b/c his dumb decisions regarding personnel trump Alex Smith's dumb decisions on the field.

And Singletary does more damage -- difficult to believe if you watched Alex this yr but it's true. A fraud HC like that can sink an entire franchise.

ninerfan 12-22-2010 10:15 PM

no brainer - Alex over Sing everyday of the week

dan77733 12-23-2010 01:03 AM

Sorry Brent/Lizard.

You vote for the person that you would rather have in 2011. I should have worded it better. Sorry.

49erNation85 12-23-2010 01:14 AM

Can't we just have them both gone ?

dan77733 12-23-2010 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tebowfan85 (Post 2441153)
Can't we just have them both gone ?

Yeah but since Ness likes to blame Alex and no one else, I wanted to make a poll to where you MUST keep one or the other for 2011. I mainly wanted to see everyone's opinion on who they would rather keep if they had to choose between the two.

Verloren 12-25-2010 07:36 PM

Rather keep Alex over Singletary. At least Alex won't make a bonehead mistake like running the ball 3x up the gut.

Ness 12-25-2010 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by dan77733 (Post 2441157)
Yeah but since Ness likes to blame Alex and no one else, I wanted to make a poll to where you MUST keep one or the other for 2011. I mainly wanted to see everyone's opinion on who they would rather keep if they had to choose between the two.

You seriously made a poll because of what I said in another thread. Wow. I just hope you aren't losing sleep from what we are talking about.

Yeah this isn't a childish tactic at all. O.o

The fact that what we were discussed prompted you to make a poll, based on a misconstrued understanding of what were were talking about no less, is quite pathetic in my opinion.

By the way I never didn't blame Singletary for what he's done. You failed to comprehend what I was talking about and at this point you're just reiterating statements that I never made in this first place.

Borat 12-25-2010 10:24 PM

So basically this is like choosing between having cancer or AIDS.

dan77733 12-25-2010 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness (Post 2443644)
You seriously made a poll because of what I said in another thread. Wow. I just hope you aren't losing sleep from what we are talking about.

Yeah this isn't a childish tactic at all. O.o

The fact that what we were discussed prompted you to make a poll, based on a misconstrued understanding of what were were talking about no less, is quite pathetic in my opinion.

By the way I never didn't blame Singletary for what he's done. You failed to comprehend what I was talking about and at this point you're just reiterating statements that I never made in this first place.

Because of what you said in regards to Alex/Troy/Sing gave me the idea for the poll and since I never posted one before, I figured what the hell, mine as well.

And no, im not losing any sleep over any of this. LOL. And while this topic may be childish, its not any more childish than arguing with you back and forth every other day.

In regards to Alex, you never blame Sing. You basically just bash Alex over and over again like he's the only one to blame. My comprehension of what you've said is actually quite clear -

-You prefer Troy over Alex
-You think Troy gives the team a better chance to win the last two games even though you've never stated why you think that
-You blame Alex whenever he plays poor but never anyone else like he's the only one at fault
-You use Troy not being at 49ers TC or pre-S. as to why he sucks and took so long to get used to the playbook when instead, you should be blaming Sing for signing Troy over keeping Davis on the active roster
-You somehow think Troy will be a 49er next year over Alex. No damn way. Either Alex will return or both will be gone

The above sums up what you've been saying for the last few weeks so unless im wrong (and correct me if I am), I've comprehended what you've said perfectly.

Ness 12-26-2010 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dan77733 (Post 2443794)
Because of what you said in regards to Alex/Troy/Sing gave me the idea for the poll and since I never posted one before, I figured what the hell, mine as well.

And no, im not losing any sleep over any of this. LOL. And while this topic may be childish, its not any more childish than arguing with you back and forth every other day.

In regards to Alex, you never blame Sing. You basically just bash Alex over and over again like he's the only one to blame. My comprehension of what you've said is actually quite clear -

-You prefer Troy over Alex
-You think Troy gives the team a better chance to win the last two games even though you've never stated why you think that
-You blame Alex whenever he plays poor but never anyone else like he's the only one at fault
-You use Troy not being at 49ers TC or pre-S. as to why he sucks and took so long to get used to the playbook when instead, you should be blaming Sing for signing Troy over keeping Davis on the active roster
-You somehow think Troy will be a 49er next year over Alex. No damn way. Either Alex will return or both will be gone

The above sums up what you've been saying for the last few weeks so unless im wrong (and correct me if I am), I've comprehended what you've said perfectly.

Fact of the matter is I said something that got under your skin and you decided to make a poll about it on a message board as some self-gratifying retaliation. In my book that is definitely more childish than having a civil discussion about football everyday.

In any case, you didn't comprehend what I was mentioning earlier in full. I have blamed Mike Singletary for the team's failure. Especially a lot earlier in the season. You can go back and look if you wish. Why you've ignored this or accused me of not blaming Mike and only Alex for the team's failures I don't know.

As for Troy Smith, I do prefer him over Alex. I think he's a better quarterback at this point in time. Him not being here in training camp and not having that many snaps is a disadvantage. Those are facts. Alex Smith has not had the same disadvantage. Yet he's played worse in my opinion. I actually never liked the signing of Troy in the first play and did criticize Singletary earlier in the year for not keeping Nate Davis. This is the second or third time I've told you that. Why you continue to ignore it is on you.

Recently, I've focused on Alex Smith for my criticism on the team as far as the players are concerned. But he isn't the only one I've complained about.

And as for Troy being here next season, if he plays well the next couple of games I could see him coming back as a backup. I think Alex Smith's days are over and he isn't coming back. Especially after not doing anything for the last six seasons and also due to most likely not finishing out this season. It just isn't going to look good for the franchise. Not everyone shares your opinion that Alex has played better compared to Troy. So that angle is not 100% sure. It's fairly split if you look at other boards and people's opinions. You should at least consider the possibility that Alex leaves and Troy stays. Don't be surprised if it happens. Me, I don't care. Both aren't going to be the leaders of this franchise. So they can both jet. But if I wanted a backup, I'm probably taking Troy between the two if I had to choose.

Hopefully that clears things up for you.

dan77733 12-26-2010 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ness (Post 2443854)
Fact of the matter is I said something that got under your skin and you decided to make a poll about it on a message board as some self-gratifying retaliation. In my book that is definitely more childish than having a civil discussion about football everyday.

In any case, you didn't comprehend what I was mentioning earlier in full. I have blamed Mike Singletary for the team's failure. Especially a lot earlier in the season. You can go back and look if you wish. Why you've ignored this or accused me of not blaming Mike and only Alex for the team's failures I don't know.

As for Troy Smith, I do prefer him over Alex. I think he's a better quarterback at this point in time. Him not being here in training camp and not having that many snaps is a disadvantage. Those are facts. Alex Smith has not had the same disadvantage. Yet he's played worse in my opinion. I actually never liked the signing of Troy in the first play and did criticize Singletary earlier in the year for not keeping Nate Davis. This is the second or third time I've told you that. Why you continue to ignore it is on you.

Recently, I've focused on Alex Smith for my criticism on the team as far as the players are concerned. But he isn't the only one I've complained about.

And as for Troy being here next season, if he plays well the next couple of games I could see him coming back as a backup. I think Alex Smith's days are over and he isn't coming back. Especially after not doing anything for the last six seasons and also due to most likely not finishing out this season. It just isn't going to look good for the franchise. Not everyone shares your opinion that Alex has played better compared to Troy. So that angle is not 100% sure. It's fairly split if you look at other boards and people's opinions. You should at least consider the possibility that Alex leaves and Troy stays. Don't be surprised if it happens. Me, I don't care. Both aren't going to be the leaders of this franchise. So they can both jet. But if I wanted a backup, I'm probably taking Troy between the two if I had to choose.

Hopefully that clears things up for you.

People I work with get under my skin. Someone who I dont know and have never met and never will could never get under my skin. While you blamed Singletary earlier in the season, you havent lately, just Alex which is the real reason why I made this poll. I wanted to see who everyone would keep if they had to pick one or the other. But hey, if you want to think that I posted this poll as some sort of revenge or whatever, go ahead as you're free to think that but just because you think it doesnt make it true.

You blamed Sing earlier in the season but why not lately? He's still to blame just as much as anyone else this season but like you said, you blamed him earlier this season. Why is that? If you're going to blame Alex, you should have Sing's name right next to his.

You seem to ignore responding as to why you think Troy is better than Alex. Still havent posted why you think Troy is better. Troy not being at TC or pre-season has nothing to do with him or Alex. He was a Raven. How could he possibly be here for TC and PS? And if that's such a disadvantage like you claim it to be, shouldnt a head coach like Sing know that and take that under consideration before signing him to replace Davis? And how has Alex not been at a disadvantage here in SF? Since he was drafted, he's been at a disadvantage. Nolan, Singletary and whoever else instilled in him to be cautious when playing which is why he makes mistakes he probably wouldnt if he didnt have that drilled into his mindset for the last seven years. He's had a different OC in every season including this year. He's had Nolan screw him over. He's had Sing screw him over. Even when Alex is starting, he gets screwed time and time again because of Sing's crappy mentality that running the ball 40 times a game is going to produce wins even though it obviously hasnt worked that way but yet, Sing still does the same thing. You cant blame Alex or crap like that when his damn head coach is basically telling him and the OC what plays to run and then he (Sing) bitches about it when they dont work. While you may have bashed Sing for signing Troy in favor of Davis, you sure as hell dont sound like it right now and considering the fact that Troy has done less and worse than Alex, I dont see how anyone could have liked or now like that signing. And considering the fact that Sing decided to sign Troy and demote Davis despite the fact that Troy was at the Ravens TC and PS, Sing still signed him which should tell everyone that he sucks as a head coach and obviously doesnt have a clue which in-turn will only hurt Alex, Troy or whoever the damn QB happens to be.

I just dont understand why you've focused on Alex when it comes to bashing players. He cant control what the other 52 players do or dont do. If a WR doesnt run their correct route, how can that be on Alex? I personally blame Alex 50% with the other 50% on Sing. The only difference is that if Alex actually had good stable coaching around him, you could actually be good. Sing could have a Pro Bowl squad and he would still find a way to screw it up.

Alex and Troy being here in 2011 is 50/50 for each but I think if there's a new head coach, that head coach will lean towards Alex especially if its a veteran head coach who's offensive minded and knows what he's doing. I personally would keep Alex over Troy and Carr but Davis over all three if it came down to that. I dont see how keeping Alex in 2011 hurts the franchise or the team or the players because as you've seen this season and in the past when Alex wasnt even playing (J.T. O'Sullivan ring a bell?), he's far from being our biggest negative or problem. That would go to ownership followed by management followed by the coaching staff. But whatever, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. As long as Sing is gone and we get Gruden, I'll be a happy camper.

And yeah, crystal clear.

Ness 12-26-2010 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dan77733 (Post 2443889)
People I work with get under my skin. Someone who I dont know and have never met and never will could never get under my skin. While you blamed Singletary earlier in the season, you havent lately, just Alex which is the real reason why I made this poll. I wanted to see who everyone would keep if they had to pick one or the other. But hey, if you want to think that I posted this poll as some sort of revenge or whatever, go ahead as you're free to think that but just because you think it doesnt make it true.

You blamed Sing earlier in the season but why not lately? He's still to blame just as much as anyone else this season but like you said, you blamed him earlier this season. Why is that? If you're going to blame Alex, you should have Sing's name right next to his.

You seem to ignore responding as to why you think Troy is better than Alex. Still havent posted why you think Troy is better. Troy not being at TC or pre-season has nothing to do with him or Alex. He was a Raven. How could he possibly be here for TC and PS? And if that's such a disadvantage like you claim it to be, shouldnt a head coach like Sing know that and take that under consideration before signing him to replace Davis? And how has Alex not been at a disadvantage here in SF? Since he was drafted, he's been at a disadvantage. Nolan, Singletary and whoever else instilled in him to be cautious when playing which is why he makes mistakes he probably wouldnt if he didnt have that drilled into his mindset for the last seven years. He's had a different OC in every season including this year. He's had Nolan screw him over. He's had Sing screw him over. Even when Alex is starting, he gets screwed time and time again because of Sing's crappy mentality that running the ball 40 times a game is going to produce wins even though it obviously hasnt worked that way but yet, Sing still does the same thing. You cant blame Alex or crap like that when his damn head coach is basically telling him and the OC what plays to run and then he (Sing) bitches about it when they dont work. While you may have bashed Sing for signing Troy in favor of Davis, you sure as hell dont sound like it right now and considering the fact that Troy has done less and worse than Alex, I dont see how anyone could have liked or now like that signing. And considering the fact that Sing decided to sign Troy and demote Davis despite the fact that Troy was at the Ravens TC and PS, Sing still signed him which should tell everyone that he sucks as a head coach and obviously doesnt have a clue which in-turn will only hurt Alex, Troy or whoever the damn QB happens to be.

I just dont understand why you've focused on Alex when it comes to bashing players. He cant control what the other 52 players do or dont do. If a WR doesnt run their correct route, how can that be on Alex? I personally blame Alex 50% with the other 50% on Sing. The only difference is that if Alex actually had good stable coaching around him, you could actually be good. Sing could have a Pro Bowl squad and he would still find a way to screw it up.

Alex and Troy being here in 2011 is 50/50 for each but I think if there's a new head coach, that head coach will lean towards Alex especially if its a veteran head coach who's offensive minded and knows what he's doing. I personally would keep Alex over Troy and Carr but Davis over all three if it came down to that. I dont see how keeping Alex in 2011 hurts the franchise or the team or the players because as you've seen this season and in the past when Alex wasnt even playing (J.T. O'Sullivan ring a bell?), he's far from being our biggest negative or problem. That would go to ownership followed by management followed by the coaching staff. But whatever, we'll just have to wait and see what happens. As long as Sing is gone and we get Gruden, I'll be a happy camper.

And yeah, crystal clear.

And just because you deny it doesn't make it true either. The fact that this poll exists because of a discussion we had involving me and you just makes it seem you're trying to push your point further because I didn't agree with it and/or didn't say what you wanted to hear.

Actually I have posted why I believe Troy is better, even though it seems obvious. The winning record for one. He's passed the ball just as effectively without turning it over as much (his interception percentage is a lot lower). Balls don't bounce off the hands of receivers magically into the hands of the defender, something that was a trademark of Alex. Troy gets sacked a bit more, I'll give you that. This guy has accomplished these feats without even being here in the summer for preseason and training camp. Within his first few starts he passed for over 300 yards, something that took how many seasons to do? All in all it doesn't matter because I believe you'll refute this evidence anyways and/or just plain ignore it. Seems like your mind is already made up. Whether you like it or not, not being here to learn the system and have chemistry with the players matters. It's a reality. This isn't Madden where you can just plug in whoever you please.

I don't know why Singletary cut Davis in the first place and signed Smith. Regardless, that's irrelevant to him being at a disadvantage when coming here compared to Smith who was here all summer. I never said Alex wasn't at a disadvantage with the coaching. But as far as being here and knowing the system and having a lot more reps with the players, that is an advantage. How in the world would it not be? And you babble all you want about the fragile psyche of Alex Smith as if this can be evidence you can actually present in a court, but at the end of the day it's just one of the many pathetic excuses used for the last six seasons. The playcalling however flawed it may be doesn't excuse Alex for not being able to throw the ball effectively...as in never pump faking, throwing the ball late resulting in defenders to get a jump on it, being inaccurate resulting in receivers having balls tipped, etc.

I already told you I don't like Singletary as the head coach and that I believe his decisions have been terrible. Just because I haven't said anything recently doesn't mean I've changed my tune. Stop making assumptions without a basis for a conclusion. Both Smith and Singletary are terrible at what they do in their own regard and need to be axed from the team for various reasons...most of which would be serious baggage that screws the reputation of the organization.

As for Alex being able to be a Pro Bowl quarterback if he had a Pro Bowl squad, that is only speculative and not factual. You could say that about a lot of quarterbacks that busted in the NFL. Other quarterbacks have come in with inadequate coaching, a bad cast, and just an overall bad team, but still made it work. They didn't need excuses. Me talking about how terrible the other members of the team are isn't going to change my stance on Alex at all. I could do it if it'll make you feel better?

Keeping Alex would be awful for the franchise and humiliating. That would be like the Chargers keeping Ryan Leaf until 2004...even as just a backup. It's embarrassing. It's basically sending a message everyone out there that the franchise still has confidence in it's busted quarterback...instead of doing the logical thing and admitting a mistake was made and move forward.

abaddon41_80 12-26-2010 10:34 AM

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Keeping Alex would be awful for the franchise and humiliating. That would be like the Chargers keeping Ryan Leaf until 2004...even as just a backup. It's embarrassing. It's basically sending a message everyone out there that the franchise still has confidence in it's busted quarterback...instead of doing the logical thing and admitting a mistake was made and move forward.
It would be nothing like that. Leaf was a bottom 3 QB in addition to being, by all accounts, an a-hole and a locker room cancer. Alex is an average QB who is a hard worker and who no one in the locker room has ever had any type of problems with. If the new coach makes it clear that Alex is going to be the backup and there will be no competition or that the guy he drafts is eventually going to take over then there won't be a problem. Alex could even perform well waiting for the new guy to take over and we could have a Drew Brees/Philip Rivers scenario.

CJSchneider 12-26-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Borat (Post 2443729)
So basically this is like choosing between having cancer or AIDS.

That's testicular cancer by the way.

Ness 12-26-2010 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by abaddon41_80 (Post 2443978)
It would be nothing like that. Leaf was a bottom 3 QB in addition to being, by all accounts, an a-hole and a locker room cancer. Alex is an average QB who is a hard worker and who no one in the locker room has ever had any type of problems with. If the new coach makes it clear that Alex is going to be the backup and there will be no competition or that the guy he drafts is eventually going to take over then there won't be a problem. Alex could even perform well waiting for the new guy to take over and we could have a Drew Brees/Philip Rivers scenario.

The fact that you're still dreaming that Alex could be good and your mind won't be changed is sad and makes this discussion pointless. When Alex starts performing like Brees or Rivers let me know. Alex will never be a good quarterback. I'm willing to bet you 100 dollars that within the next five years he won't do anything significant anywhere.

abaddon41_80 12-26-2010 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness (Post 2444231)
The fact that you're still dreaming that Alex could be good and your mind won't be changed is sad and makes this discussion pointless. When Alex starts performing like Brees or Rivers let me know.

I don't think he will start performing like Brees or Rivers, I never said I did. To act like it is impossible is stupid, though, because he has performed well in short bursts before. If a good coach can just find some way to harness it you never know...

It is irrelevant whether he can be good or not, though, because he is already average while Troy sucks. A new coach would rather have an average QB than a crappy one. Alex's past will have no effect on whether or not he stays

Ness 12-26-2010 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by abaddon41_80 (Post 2444241)
I don't think he will start performing like Brees or Rivers, I never said I did. To act like it is impossible is stupid, though, because he has performed well in short bursts before. If a good coach can just find some way to harness it you never know...

It is irrelevant whether he can be good or not, though, because he is already average while Troy sucks. A new coach would rather have an average QB than a crappy one. Alex's past will have no effect on whether or not he stays

Then why even bring up that scenario in the discussion? It's pointless. Why would acting like it's impossible for Alex to perform like Brees or Rivers stupid? Just because you don't want to believe it?

Both Troy and Alex suck. Let's get that straight. Alex is not average. But having this discussion is pointless like I said because you still believe Alex will be good. His past will have an effect on whether he stays or not. My $100 offer still stands.

abaddon41_80 12-26-2010 01:45 PM

I don't still believe Alex can be good consistently but I believe he can be average with times when he plays great. He has proven that. And he is average.

dan77733 12-26-2010 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness (Post 2443905)
And just because you deny it doesn't make it true either. The fact that this poll exists because of a discussion we had involving me and you just makes it seem you're trying to push your point further because I didn't agree with it and/or didn't say what you wanted to hear.

Actually I have posted why I believe Troy is better, even though it seems obvious. The winning record for one. He's passed the ball just as effectively without turning it over as much (his interception percentage is a lot lower). Balls don't bounce off the hands of receivers magically into the hands of the defender, something that was a trademark of Alex. Troy gets sacked a bit more, I'll give you that. This guy has accomplished these feats without even being here in the summer for preseason and training camp. Within his first few starts he passed for over 300 yards, something that took how many seasons to do? All in all it doesn't matter because I believe you'll refute this evidence anyways and/or just plain ignore it. Seems like your mind is already made up. Whether you like it or not, not being here to learn the system and have chemistry with the players matters. It's a reality. This isn't Madden where you can just plug in whoever you please.

I don't know why Singletary cut Davis in the first place and signed Smith. Regardless, that's irrelevant to him being at a disadvantage when coming here compared to Smith who was here all summer. I never said Alex wasn't at a disadvantage with the coaching. But as far as being here and knowing the system and having a lot more reps with the players, that is an advantage. How in the world would it not be? And you babble all you want about the fragile psyche of Alex Smith as if this can be evidence you can actually present in a court, but at the end of the day it's just one of the many pathetic excuses used for the last six seasons. The playcalling however flawed it may be doesn't excuse Alex for not being able to throw the ball effectively...as in never pump faking, throwing the ball late resulting in defenders to get a jump on it, being inaccurate resulting in receivers having balls tipped, etc.

I already told you I don't like Singletary as the head coach and that I believe his decisions have been terrible. Just because I haven't said anything recently doesn't mean I've changed my tune. Stop making assumptions without a basis for a conclusion. Both Smith and Singletary are terrible at what they do in their own regard and need to be axed from the team for various reasons...most of which would be serious baggage that screws the reputation of the organization.

As for Alex being able to be a Pro Bowl quarterback if he had a Pro Bowl squad, that is only speculative and not factual. You could say that about a lot of quarterbacks that busted in the NFL. Other quarterbacks have come in with inadequate coaching, a bad cast, and just an overall bad team, but still made it work. They didn't need excuses. Me talking about how terrible the other members of the team are isn't going to change my stance on Alex at all. I could do it if it'll make you feel better?

Keeping Alex would be awful for the franchise and humiliating. That would be like the Chargers keeping Ryan Leaf until 2004...even as just a backup. It's embarrassing. It's basically sending a message everyone out there that the franchise still has confidence in it's busted quarterback...instead of doing the logical thing and admitting a mistake was made and move forward.

If that was the case, this poll would have been Alex or Troy. Our debate/argument gave me the idea for the poll to see who fans would pick if they HAD to keep one or the other.

Winning record??? WTF??? He's 3-2. Big deal. His record as a starter career wise is 4-3. You're actually using a one game lead (so to speak) as a reason why you prefer him is just insane. Alex's TD percentage is 4% while his INT percentage is at 3.4%. Troy is at 3.2% to 2.4%. Of course, if you add the .8% that Alex is ahead in TD percentage, the difference becomes only .2%. Big deal. You also fail to realize that Troy has only started in 5 games and has 126 attempts compared to Alex who has started 9 games and has 298 attempts. Obviously, if the starts and attempts were the opposite, we would be having the same conversation but in the opposite direction. I'll give Troy credit and props for the 356 yard game. As for the ball bouncing off the hands of WR's and becoming INT's isnt always on the QB. Yeah, he'll get the blame but its not always on the QB. I seriously doubt all 10 INT's are on Alex. My mind is already set just like yours is so it evens out in the end. And stop saying Madden, I dont play that piece of crap of a game.

At least we argree in regards to Singletary.

The Pro Bowl squad comment I made was in regards to Sing. Sing could have a Pro Bowl team and still find a way to screw it up. I never said anything about Alex being a Pro Bowler if he had a Pro Bowl squad. I do think that Alex would be better if he had better coaching though.

Considering the mistakes that this franchise has made since 2002, I seriously doubt that keeping Alex in 2011 would be horrible and humiliating compared to the past. But whatever, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

dan77733 12-26-2010 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ness
I'm willing to bet you 100 dollars that within the next five years he won't do anything significant anywhere.

Just want to clarify - what exactly do you see as significant in regards to Alex?

Ness 12-26-2010 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by abaddon41_80 (Post 2444285)
I don't still believe Alex can be good consistently but I believe he can be average with times when he plays great. He has proven that. And he is average.

Well him not being good is the important part. And if he's not good consistently, then he's not good at all. If you want to believe he's "average", that's fine. I just think he's downright terrible.


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