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Halsey 12-30-2010 07:59 AM

The Falcons need to add a quality pass catcher BAD
 
I'm not sure what type of pass catcher would be the right fit, but the Falcons really really need to upgrade their WR corps, add a young TE or add a young RB who excels at pass catching. Maybe all three. The offense would obviously be in big trouble if Roddy got hurt. The Monday night game made it clear the Falcons just don't have enough playmakers in the passing game.

ATLDirtyBirds 12-30-2010 09:30 AM

Been saying this for a while. We really just need someone with some explosive big play ability. Not a guy who we just run down the field and chuck bombs too, because that's not Matt's game, but someone who can make a big play for us when Roddy is getting raped with coverage.

Halsey 12-30-2010 09:33 AM

It's too bad Norwood can't stay healthy. He would help the passing game at least a little

ATLDirtyBirds 12-30-2010 09:37 AM

Jernigan seems like he'd be a tremendous fit to me.

Doubja94 12-30-2010 08:48 PM

If the falcons come out of the draft with either Jernigan or Szczur, I (and Matt Ryan) will be very happy

Saints-Tigers 01-16-2011 05:42 AM

Random thoughts:

You guys have a coach that gets more out of his team than their talent level IMO, and a young GM that is pretty good at adding talent. That's a pretty dangerous combo.

I feel like you guys were ahead of schedule since Ryan came out so ready to play, and you needed a year or two with top 15 and better picks.

Looks like the Panthers have the only front office that isn't above average during draft day.

StaticGator 01-18-2011 03:33 PM

Not trying to flame, but you guys had a Pro Bowl WR and TE and an at least respectable #2 WR. The problem was at QB. Ryan was too afraid to throw it into coverage. He was too conservative and would only dump it off underneath. Green Bay's receivers had a great day, but they weren't running wide open on every play. Rodgers was just playing out of his mind and fitting the ball into microscopic windows. That TD that James Jones caught in the first half was within 6 inches of getting swatted away by Brent Grimes but he didn't get there. Ryan wasn't trying to make throws like that. No risk, no reward.

Draft King 01-18-2011 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by StaticGator (Post 2485215)
Not trying to flame, but you guys had a Pro Bowl WR and TE and an at least respectable #2 WR. The problem was at QB. Ryan was too afraid to throw it into coverage. He was too conservative and would only dump it off underneath. Green Bay's receivers had a great day, but they weren't running wide open on every play. Rodgers was just playing out of his mind and fitting the ball into microscopic windows. That TD that James Jones caught in the first half was within 6 inches of getting swatted away by Brent Grimes but he didn't get there. Ryan wasn't trying to make throws like that. No risk, no reward.

The pro bowl is a popularity contest. If you honestly believe Tony Gonzalez played at a high level this season, you weren't watching the games. Michael Jenkins is not respectable, he would not start on 90% of NFL teams.

ATLDirtyBirds 01-18-2011 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StaticGator (Post 2485215)
Not trying to flame, but you guys had a Pro Bowl WR and TE and an at least respectable #2 WR. The problem was at QB. Ryan was too afraid to throw it into coverage. He was too conservative and would only dump it off underneath. Green Bay's receivers had a great day, but they weren't running wide open on every play. Rodgers was just playing out of his mind and fitting the ball into microscopic windows. That TD that James Jones caught in the first half was within 6 inches of getting swatted away by Brent Grimes but he didn't get there. Ryan wasn't trying to make throws like that. No risk, no reward.


I was going to guess that you just watched the playoff game and are making all your assumptions based on that, but I'm not sure how you could even come away from that game calling Jenkins respectable.

Bosanac01 01-18-2011 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Doubja94 (Post 2451793)
If the falcons come out of the draft with either Jernigan or Szczur, I (and Matt Ryan) will be very happy

12 minutes after you make your post:

This happens

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=3060

Coincidence?

**** that sucks. I think he has the academic qualifications and compared to Wes Welker who plays for the pats, TD would be all over him.

Doubja94 01-18-2011 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Bosanac01 (Post 2485806)
12 minutes after you make your post:

This happens

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=3060

Coincidence?

**** that sucks. I think he has the academic qualifications and compared to Wes Welker who plays for the pats, TD would be all over him.

If by 12 minutes you mean 20 days than yea.... Haha but yea it sucks, we need Jernigan or Torrey smith. Given TD's latest interview how would you guys feel about trading up to the teens to pick up Julio Jones

Bosanac01 01-18-2011 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Doubja94 (Post 2485869)
If by 12 minutes you mean 20 days than yea.... Haha but yea it sucks, we need Jernigan or Torrey smith. Given TD's latest interview how would you guys feel about trading up to the teens to pick up Julio Jones

There is no way we trade up in this draft, imo. If we do it would be for an "explosive" defensive player or an OT given we don't sign Clabo but not a #2 WR.

ATLDirtyBirds 01-19-2011 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doubja94 (Post 2485869)
If by 12 minutes you mean 20 days than yea.... Haha but yea it sucks, we need Jernigan or Torrey smith. Given TD's latest interview how would you guys feel about trading up to the teens to pick up Julio Jones

I'd be on board for a move up. I'm not sure who I'd like, but this is a week draft. So if there's a difference maker in the teens, by all means, pull the trigger.

StaticGator 01-19-2011 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds (Post 2485780)
I was going to guess that you just watched the playoff game and are making all your assumptions based on that, but I'm not sure how you could even come away from that game calling Jenkins respectable.

I live about 4 miles from the Georgia Dome. I watch Falcons games. And I didn't say he was dominant; I said he was respectable. When you're #5 overall in team rushing attempts and you have a #1 WR who catches 1400 yards and a TE who catches 700 yards, how many plays do you think are left for your #2 WR? The Falcons didn't lose because of Michael Jenkins. Ryan was gun shy.

SimonRath 01-19-2011 09:05 AM

TD bring Vincent Jackson to atlanta!!

ATLDirtyBirds 01-19-2011 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by StaticGator (Post 2486099)
I live about 4 miles from the Georgia Dome. I watch Falcons games. And I didn't say he was dominant; I said he was respectable. When you're #5 overall in team rushing attempts and you have a #1 WR who catches 1400 yards and a TE who catches 700 yards, how many plays do you think are left for your #2 WR? The Falcons didn't lose because of Michael Jenkins. Ryan was gun shy.


I'd like my number 2 not to be awful. And ever stop to think that maybe Roddy got all those catches in a balanced offense because the rest of the talent sucks?

No one is saying Michael Jenkins is the reason we lost the game, or that Matt played well. But to say he's gun shy because he didn't play as well as ARod (who had the game of his life) or some **** like that is silly.

StaticGator 01-19-2011 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds (Post 2486329)
But to say he's gun shy because he didn't play as well as ARod (who had the game of his life) or some **** like that is silly.

I don't know how else to describe a quarterback throwing 29 passes and only completing one of them for longer than 20 yards, ironically to Michael Jenkins. It's not just that Rodgers played well, it's that he played aggressively. He was willing to push things and Ryan wasn't.

ATLDirtyBirds 01-19-2011 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StaticGator (Post 2486348)
I don't know how else to describe a quarterback throwing 29 passes and only completing one of them for longer than 20 yards, ironically to Michael Jenkins. It's not just that Rodgers played well, it's that he played aggressively. He was willing to push things and Ryan wasn't.


Gun shy would imply that he's just a check down artist.

Bosanac01 01-19-2011 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StaticGator (Post 2486348)
I don't know how else to describe a quarterback throwing 29 passes and only completing one of them for longer than 20 yards, ironically to Michael Jenkins. It's not just that Rodgers played well, it's that he played aggressively. He was willing to push things and Ryan wasn't.

A Rod wasn't really pushing things. He rarely through into tight coverage or risked much, most of his passes were to wide open targets. Matt Ryan didn't have that, and he also doesn't have the ability to avoid a sack other then throwing it away.

StaticGator 01-19-2011 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds (Post 2486353)
Gun shy would imply that he's just a check down artist.

How else do you describe having one pass go for longer than 20 yards?

Bosanac01 01-19-2011 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StaticGator (Post 2486441)
How else do you describe having one pass go for longer than 20 yards?

It was mostly Matt Ryan being afraid to let it loose. But at the same time it was the defense. They had a huge lead and protected themselves from the deep ball.

StaticGator 01-19-2011 01:24 PM

Weren't the Falcons last in the league in plays over 20 yards for the whole season?

d34ng3l021 01-19-2011 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by StaticGator (Post 2486500)
Weren't the Falcons last in the league in plays over 20 yards for the whole season?

Yes, but it was because that is what the offense as tailored for. You can't have an offense that ranks in the top 5 in time of possession and 3rd down conversions while having an explosive offense as well. We played a possession game throughout the whole season so the defense wouldn't get on the field; the Falcons defense ranked 16th in terms of yards given up but played the 4th fewest plays. Only 5 teams allowed more yards per play (Cowboys, Texans, Redskins, Broncos, and Jags). Great company.

Our defense is making improvements, but we still need more time to add talent.

On the offensive side of the ball, we have quality pass catchers/route runners in Tony Gonzalez and Michael Jenkins, but there is absolutely no stretching of the field. In today's NFL, you need to have quick receivers that can actually get open instead of hoping for a picture perfect throw, perfect route execution, or a hole in the zone - that is the problem with Jenkins and Gonzalez. Also, having an H-Back like McCoy or Chris Johnson would allow the defense to be a lot more honest.

A lot of the problem does lie with Matt Ryan though. Year in, year out, we expect his deep balls to get better but they never do. He still leaves a ton of air under them and we can't even take shots just to keep defenses honest (some of it is offensive philosophy). I guess we have to wait it out.

ATLDirtyBirds 01-19-2011 02:15 PM

I think he throws a deep jump ball fine. We just can't expect him to drop bombs like some of the stronger armed QBs. He's money in the mid range game. We need someone he can hit short/mid then can go make a play. Ala Percy Harvin.

Draft King 01-19-2011 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by StaticGator (Post 2486500)
Weren't the Falcons last in the league in plays over 20 yards for the whole season?

You're just trolling right now. Read deangelos post. This is why I wish we got Josh McDaniels, so Ryan could shut people like you up. This is just the way our offense is built.

edit: just went through some of his posts and discovered he is a Bucs fan. everyone is now explained.


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