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diabsoule 12-31-2010 05:31 PM

New Pitt Coach Mike Haywood Arrested Then Fired
 
http://www.wndu.com/hometop/headline...112730024.html

You have to wonder if Pitt will retain him as head coach because of this

MassNole 12-31-2010 05:33 PM

Eh stuff happens, no reason for Pitt to cut loose a solid hire.

NotRickJames 12-31-2010 05:33 PM

They're not going to fire him.

bearsfan_51 12-31-2010 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MassNole (Post 2453176)
Eh stuff happens, no reason for Pitt to cut loose a solid hire.

Stuff happens? He's the head coach, not a player.

ElectricEye 12-31-2010 05:37 PM

Certainly not a good way to start all this. If I were Pitt, I would probably let him go.

MassNole 12-31-2010 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by bearsfan_51 (Post 2453180)
Stuff happens? He's the head coach, not a player.

Over the Holidays emotions run hot, whereas his behavior may have deviated from societal norms it doesn't mean the man should lose his job before he even starts it. Sure he should starting with an 0-1 count over the holidays bad decisions can be made in the heat of a moment. I am not going to demonize a person for a single mistake.

diabsoule 12-31-2010 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MassNole (Post 2453176)
Eh stuff happens, no reason for Pitt to cut loose a solid hire.

Stuff happens, eh? This is a new coach they just hired being arrested... for domestic violence. That's not good anyway you look at it.

""Police say there was a custody issue and the woman attempted to leave. As she left, police say a physical altercation broke out. The woman told police Haywood grabbed her by the arm and neck and pushed her. According to the police report, the woman had red marks on her neck, arms and back."

ElectricEye 12-31-2010 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MassNole (Post 2453187)
Over the Holidays emotions run hot, whereas his behavior may have deviated from societal norms it doesn't mean the man should lose his job before he even starts it. Sure he should starting with an 0-1 count over the holidays bad decisions can be made in the heat of a moment. I am not going to demonize a person for a single mistake.

He put his hands on a woman to the point where she was marked from it. Not a good example to be setting for the players no matter what team of year it is.

SchizophrenicBatman 12-31-2010 05:46 PM

dude was a bad hire from the start. a team coming out of nowhere to win the MAC Championship in an upset = great coach! as we all found out from turner gill's reign at kansas

i also like how everyone brings up his turn around from 1-11 while ignoring the fact that he coached through the 1-11 season

MassNole 12-31-2010 05:48 PM

So a heated exchange involving custody over the holidays. People make mistakes and it is sad so many are ready to lynch the man's career. This isn't a situation like say Lawrence Phillips where he dragged her down a flight of stairs. From the sounds of the police report it sounds like an over reaction to an emotional situation. As for leaving marks, some people bruise extremely easily not to mention a lot of other reasons that would increase bruising, such as alcohol intoxication.

CameronCropper 12-31-2010 05:51 PM

What mother is going to want to send their child to be coached by Mike Haywood after this? The right thing to do, in the long run, would be to fire him on the spot.

It might lose the program a little bit of face in the short run but it's probably for the best.

MassNole 12-31-2010 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CameronCropper (Post 2453206)
What mother is going to want to send their child to be coached by Mike Haywood after this? The right thing to do, in the long run, would be to fire him on the spot.

It might lose the program a little bit of face in the short run but it's probably for the best.

Okay so say you fire him now and it turns out he was restraining her from leaving while intoxicated with his children. A situation in which reasonable force would be allowed under the law. However under the borderline unconstitutional laws of most states (of which I am too lazy to check Indiana law) require the police to detain him upon the facts shown. She cries abuse, he gets arrested on the spot even if there was a good explanation. So because of the appearance of wrong doing Pitt should fire the man, basically permanently tarnish his chances for future employment, and set back their program much the way Notre Dame did with their overreaction to George O'Leary.

I guess I am the only who remembers one is innocent until proven guilty. Then again I am a criminal defense/divorce attorney so maybe my experience in these situations as tainted me.

kwilk103 12-31-2010 06:02 PM

what is hilarious about this whole situation (not that domestic violence is ever funny) is that pitt hired him because of his "character" and dana holgorsen didnt pass their character and background check

NotRickJames 12-31-2010 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kwilk103 (Post 2453224)
what is hilarious about this whole situation (not that domestic violence is ever funny) is that pitt hired him because of his "character" and dana holgorsen didnt pass their character and background check

They probably just figured he had good character because he coached at Notre Dame, lol.

He won't get fired. His actions aren't really defensible, but they're not going to let him go over this.

bearsfan_51 12-31-2010 06:14 PM

It's probably not an offense where you lose your job, but to chalk it up as a silly mistake is pretty irresponsible too.

There are types of people who would lay their hands on a woman and those that wouldn't. Trying to justify the actions tends to push you in the former category.

CameronCropper 12-31-2010 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MassNole (Post 2453219)
Okay so say you fire him now and it turns out he was restraining her from leaving while intoxicated with his children. A situation in which reasonable force would be allowed under the law. However under the borderline unconstitutional laws of most states (of which I am too lazy to check Indiana law) require the police to detain him upon the facts shown. She cries abuse, he gets arrested on the spot even if there was a good explanation. So because of the appearance of wrong doing Pitt should fire the man, basically permanently tarnish his chances for future employment, and set back their program much the way Notre Dame did with their overreaction to George O'Leary.

I guess I am the only who remembers one is innocent until proven guilty. Then again I am a criminal defense/divorce attorney so maybe my experience in these situations as tainted me.

I'm not saying lock the guy up and throw away the key, but if I was the AD at the University of Pittsburgh something like this would make me believe his position had become untenable because of the nature of the accusations.

I strongly doubt he will lose his job over this, but it's going to make recruiting a lot more difficult and won't exactly endear him to the Pitt fans. If he stays on, which I presume he will, something tells me he'll be on a lot shorter leash than most first year HCs.

kwilk103 12-31-2010 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CameronCropper (Post 2453249)
I'm not saying lock the guy up and throw away the key, but if I was the AD at the University of Pittsburgh something like this would make me believe his position had become untenable because of the nature of the accusations.

I strongly doubt he will lose his job over this, but it's going to make recruiting a lot more difficult and won't exactly endear him to the Pitt fans. If he stays on, which I presume he will, something tells me he'll be on a lot shorter leash than most first year HCs.


one of the biggest reasons he was hired was for his character...just sayin

Bob Sanders Dreadlock 12-31-2010 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye (Post 2453191)
He put his hands on a woman to the point where she was marked from it. Not a good example to be setting for the players no matter what team of year it is.

Maybe he has something in common with his players now. They can all laugh and joke say "you had to put your ***** in line too?"

LizardState 12-31-2010 07:37 PM

Quote:

""Police say there was a custody issue and the woman attempted to leave. As she left, police say a physical altercation broke out. The woman told police Haywood grabbed her by the arm and neck and pushed her. According to the police report, the woman had red marks on her neck, arms and back."
For that they hold him without bail in Indiana? just announced no bail on Sportscenter.

Well, this is the state that let Dillinger escape -- twice. And sent Mike Tyson to the state pen for 2 yrs on a bogus beauty contest judge sex with contestant rape charge....

phlysac 01-01-2011 07:22 AM

Alot of panic in the Burgh about this. Many believe that this incident will be the same as "the death-penalty" as it affects recruits. Nearly every 2011 recruit had decommitted PRIOR to this incident and now it seems likely the rest will leave as well.

There are even the presence of people wanting Haywood to be fired immediatedly and AD Steve Pederson to tender his resignation.

This has been one of the worst organizational changes in football that I can remember.

Forenci 01-01-2011 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MassNole (Post 2453203)
So a heated exchange involving custody over the holidays. People make mistakes and it is sad so many are ready to lynch the man's career. This isn't a situation like say Lawrence Phillips where he dragged her down a flight of stairs. From the sounds of the police report it sounds like an over reaction to an emotional situation. As for leaving marks, some people bruise extremely easily not to mention a lot of other reasons that would increase bruising, such as alcohol intoxication.

Are you ******* serious? Are you really trying to justify this **** by saying "well, tensions are high! it's the holiday! some people bruise easily!"?

He's still responsible for his actions. Not to mention no one is saying to fire him right NOW, but I'm sure if the allegations turn out to be true it would be very reasonable to fire him if the university so desired.

someone447 01-01-2011 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forenci (Post 2453716)
Are you ******* serious? Are you really trying to justify this **** by saying "well, tensions are high! it's the holiday! some people bruise easily!"?

He's still responsible for his actions. Not to mention no one is saying to fire him right NOW, but I'm sure if the allegations turn out to be true it would be very reasonable to fire him if the university so desired.

Do we really know anything about the case? Could she have been hitting him and he was holding her so she couldn't? Many police officers will arrest the man, regardless of who is at fault. Especially if it is a state where someone MUST get arrested on any domestic disturbance call.

How about we let the facts come out before crucifying the guy.

This isn't just directed at you.

Forenci 01-01-2011 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by someone447 (Post 2453789)
Do we really know anything about the case? Could she have been hitting him and he was holding her so she couldn't? Many police officers will arrest the man, regardless of who is at fault. Especially if it is a state where someone MUST get arrested on any domestic disturbance call.

How about we let the facts come out before crucifying the guy.

This isn't just directed at you.

I'm not trying to crucify the guy, I'm merely pointing out MassNoles excuses were horridly bad and that there is no excuse for any kind of domestic violence, whether it because by a man or woman.

He is innocent until proven guilty, but MassNoles was trying to say that even if he did commit domestic violence it shouldn't be frowned upon as much because it's the holidays, or because some people bruise easier..

Smooth Criminal 01-01-2011 11:54 AM

I think he has to be fired. Scrapping him and starting over won't cost them too much, and he was hired because he was considered a high character guy. This kind of thing will definitely effect his recruiting.

Pittsburgh radio didn't have a single call supporting keeping him today. Most wanted the AD fired too. According to the reports he punched, pushed, and held he in a choke hold.

bearsfan_51 01-01-2011 11:57 AM

Affect is the verb, effect is the noun.


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