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CJSchneider 01-01-2012 12:27 PM

RG3 Set to Declare
 
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/sto...ft-sources-say

Didn't know if this was a big deal or not, but decided to at least start a thread about it,

Sloopy 01-01-2012 12:28 PM

Chris Mortensen already reported that he had declared... interesting that this is saying otherwise.

ElectricEye 01-01-2012 12:35 PM

No brainer. Barring something spectacular, he's the second quarterback off the board.

ATLDirtyBirds 01-01-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye (Post 2805919)
No brainer. Barring something spectacular, he's the second quarterback off the board.

The meteoric rise of the awful Nick Foles!

WCH 01-01-2012 12:51 PM

No-brainer, IMO. He already has his degree and Heisman, and his stock isn't going much higher.

Babylon 01-01-2012 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye (Post 2805919)
No brainer. Barring something spectacular, he's the second quarterback off the board.

It's not like going back to USC so i'd agree, this is almost a non-story. Doesnt look like the local team (Seattle) will have a shot even if they lose today at Arizona.

I like Griffin (find the whole RG3 thing sort of childish) better than most from last year,except Newton and Locker, so i think he's going to be pretty good.

Flyboy 01-01-2012 02:42 PM

How the heck is RGIII childish? It's just a nickname derived from his name...

Babylon 01-01-2012 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Flyboy (Post 2806251)
How the heck is RGIII childish? It's just a nickname derived from his name...

I'll like it a whole lot better if he ends up in Seattle but it seems a bit much to me. Never liked the whole A-Rod, Cp3 type stuff. Just a generation thing so nobody should get offended.

MidwayMonster31 01-01-2012 03:11 PM

Right decision. His stock can't be any higher than it is right now and the money he will make from the NFL will be more than enough for him to go back to law school after his career is done.

Babylon 01-01-2012 04:02 PM

It's looking like Washington, they have to take him, dont they?

TACKLE 01-01-2012 04:32 PM

With Cleveland picking 4th, I think someone makes a move into the top 3 to get him. St.Louis at 2 seems like the logical spot for a trade.

keylime_5 01-01-2012 06:36 PM

Yeah, I think someone will want to trade into the #3 spot with Minnesota to get Griffin. You probably have to get in front of the Browns to get him, and the Browns themselves might even trade up a spot just to make sure they can get him before someone else trades ahead of them (if they want him badly enough).

Whoever signs Matt Flynn this offseason would play a big role in who might try to trade (or should I say not trade) for RGIII as well.

armageddon 01-01-2012 06:40 PM

Whoever wants him better contact the Rams and offer them a multitude of picks.

Bald_81 01-01-2012 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by armageddon (Post 2806980)
Whoever wants him better contact the Rams and offer them a multitude of picks.

I'm starting to think it might have been better if the Rams were selecting behind Minnesota. The Vikings would hands down take Kalil, leaving the Rams at #3 as the prime spot to trade down. Now the Rams are in a bind and if the Vikings don't like either Claiborne or Blackmon, they can tell everyone that their pick is available and can be had at a cheaper price. Then again, maybe Cleveland will want RG3 bad enough to just swap spots with the Rams and everything will work out. We'll have to see, but this is going to be interesting.

armageddon 01-01-2012 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bald_81 (Post 2807003)
I'm starting to think it might have been better if the Rams were selecting behind Minnesota. The Vikings would hands down take Kalil, leaving the Rams at #3 as the prime spot to trade down. Now the Rams are in a bind and if the Vikings don't like either Claiborne or Blackmon, they can tell everyone that their pick is available and can be had at a cheaper price. Then again, maybe Cleveland will want RG3 bad enough to just swap spots with the Rams and everything will work out. We'll have to see, but this is going to be interesting.



Nah, the Rams are in the drivers seat as long as Indy picks Luck. Plus, I love having the #1 pick in rd 2. That's a valuable pick since it's the 1st pick on day 2.

DBNYDP 01-01-2012 07:46 PM

RG3 is probably my second favorite QB prospect in the past five or so years behind Andrew Luck. I think he has it all and is going to be a major stud at the next level. In fact I'd say the more I see of him the more I think he and Luck should be 1 and 1a. If I were Minnesota/St. Louis you'd have to at least consider drafting him even though you both have your high #1 pick QBs there. But if I were a team in need of a QB I'd sell sell sell to get one of those picks.

descendency 01-01-2012 07:53 PM

Mr Griffen seems like a nice guy, but I just can't get over him not passing the eye test. My gut says he's going to fail at the next level.

He has a lot of the tools, but something is missing. I can't tell what it is. I wish both him and Luck could be ultra successful, though.

keylime_5 01-01-2012 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by descendency (Post 2807223)
Mr Griffen seems like a nice guy, but I just can't get over him not passing the eye test. My gut says he's going to fail at the next level.

He has a lot of the tools, but something is missing. I can't tell what it is. I wish both him and Luck could be ultra successful, though.

size. he's only 6-2 and he looks really skinny.

Phins827 01-01-2012 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5 (Post 2807238)
size. he's only 6-2 and he looks really skinny.

Only 6'2", but Brees is 6'0" and Rodgers is 6'2". Theyre not too shabby.

Bald_81 01-01-2012 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by armageddon (Post 2807019)
Nah, the Rams are in the drivers seat as long as Indy picks Luck. Plus, I love having the #1 pick in rd 2. That's a valuable pick since it's the 1st pick on day 2.

I agree it's a nice position to be in, but the thirty-third pick still hasn't been traded in the two years that it has gone to this new format. I hope we end that trend, but I think it gets hyped up to be more than it is.

Caulibflower 01-01-2012 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by descendency (Post 2807223)
Mr Griffen seems like a nice guy, but I just can't get over him not passing the eye test. My gut says he's going to fail at the next level.

He has a lot of the tools, but something is missing. I can't tell what it is. I wish both him and Luck could be ultra successful, though.

It's not so much the size, but I'm with you. Something is just off.

armageddon 01-01-2012 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bald_81 (Post 2807254)
I agree it's a nice position to be in, but the thirty-third pick still hasn't been traded in the two years that it has gone to this new format. I hope we end that trend, but I think it gets hyped up to be more than it is.



When the Rams had it, they had several offers on the table but couldn't pass up on Saffold. Can't say I blame them.

Brown Leader 01-01-2012 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Calubflower (Post 2807257)
It's not so much the size, but I'm with you. Something is just off.

To start with, it's that he's an unpolished, athlete first QB in a stat inflating offense, throwing to a WR corps of speedsters in a conference of weak defenses.

keylime_5 01-01-2012 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Phins827 (Post 2807250)
Only 6'2", but Brees is 6'0" and Rodgers is 6'2". Theyre not too shabby.

Those guys aren't that skinny though. Griffin looks pretty lean out there and might not have the bulk to handle the beating NFL QBs get.

When guys play in that college spread offense they don't usually look like NFL QBs either, especially dual threat guys like Griffin who run around a lot. He definietly has the arm and the smarts and the accuracy though to be a fantastic NFL QB. Develop his great tools and add some weight and he should be fine.

FUNBUNCHER 01-01-2012 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Brown Leader (Post 2807412)
To start with, it's that he's an unpolished, athlete first QB in a stat inflating offense, throwing to a WR corps of speedsters in a conference of weak defenses.


Just admit you haven't really seen RGIII play extensively instead of extrapolating why he runs when he does.

Outside of designed runs, Griffin scrambled because the pocket imploded and he was waiting for WRs to get open deep.
He's not a scatback in the pocket who bugs out from pressure.

He's a three-year starter and as polished as Sam Bradford was coming out of a similar spread scheme throwing the football.

When Griffin is allowed to dropback and stand tall in the pocket, he is a cyborg; almost machine like in his efficiency and accuracy throwing the ball to all levels of the football field.

I know this is the time before the draft when we incessantly look for reasons why the top guys really aren't all that, but there's no reason to embellish the case against Griffin.

Kendall Wright would have been a star for any team in the Big 12. But Terrance Williams and Tevin Reece are lowly regarded recruits who benefited by having Wright draw safety help and having a QB like RGIII under center.

It's ridiculous to argue that on a football team like BAYLOR, Griffin was the byproduct of an offensive system, and not THE system himself.

That bowl game was a microcosm in many ways of Baylor's season. Their defense is garbage, the Oline can't consistently pass block and Baylor's only chance to win is for RGIII primarily, Kendall Wright and Ganaway to a lesser extent to play out of their minds.

Ganaway is an underrated pro prospect, but it was Griffin's passing threat that allowed Ganaway the luxury of running against 5 and 7 man fronts with the LBs nearly 10 yards off the LOS.

The first word I would use to describe RGIII is: WORKER.
His physical ability has always been second to his willingness to be a grind. You can see it in the classroom,(he's going to earn a Master's this spring and was going to apply and begin law school in the fall), you saw it in HS.
It was demonstrated in every season Griffin improved as a QB at Baylor.


If I were a GM, my head would be spinning with the opportunity to draft Griffin. He's a smart, disciplined kid who's also a hard worker. Whatever it takes to make that leap from college phenom to pro bowl QB, you'd have to bet RGIII is going to figure it out.

Add to that his physical tools, arm strength, release, mobility and uncanny accuracy, and you're talking about a prospect who had a great chance to be taken 2nd after Luck even if Barkley had declared.

Grif is a prospect whom I feel will see his stock rise as we approach the combine, not take a dip.
Once he goes through the gauntlet of team interviews at the combine, I think teams are going to be trading up to #2 to land his services.

Did Griffin make it look easy at Baylor?? Yes.
But sometimes it's because a player is a flat out beast, and not because he has inherent weaknesses that are being camouflaged by an ideal scheme/weak competition.


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