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princefielder28 01-11-2012 07:33 PM

Top 5 Positional Rankings & Top 28 Overall
 
Quarterbacks

1. Andrew Luck : STANFORD*
2. Robert Griffin III : BAYLOR*
3. Kirk Cousins : MICHIGAN STATE
4. Ryan Tannehill : TEXAS A&M
5. Ryan Lindley : SAN DIEGO STATE

Running Backs

1. Trent Richardson : ALABMA*
2. David Wilson : VIRGINIA TECH*
3. Lamar Miller : MIAMI(FL)*
4. Chris Polk : WASHINGTON*
5. Doug Martin : BOISE STATE*

Wide Receivers

1. Justin Blackmon : OKLAHOMA STATE*
2. Dwight Jones : NORTH CAROLINA
3. Michael Floyd : NOTRE DAME
4. Kendall Wright : BAYLOR
5. Alshon Jeffery : SOUTH CAROLINA*

Tight Ends

1. Coby Fleener : STANFORD
2. Ladarius Green : LOUSIANA-LAFAYETTE
3. Dwayne Allen : CLEMSON*
4. Michael Egnew : MISSOURI
5. Brian Linthicum : MICHIGAN STATE

Offensive Tackles

1. Matt Kalil : USC*
2. Riley Reiff : IOWA*
3. Jonathan Martin : STANFORD*
4. Mike Adams : OHIO STATE
5. Matt McCants : UAB

Offensive Guards

1. David DeCastro : STANFORD*
2. Kevin Zeitler : WISCONSIN
3. Amini Silatolu : NORTHWESTERN STATE
4. Cordy Glenn : GOERGIA
5. Joe Looney : WAKE FOREST

Centers

1. Peter Konz : WISCONSIN*
2. Mike Brewster : OHIO STATE
3. Philip Blake : BAYLOR
4. Ben Jones : GEORGIA
5. William Vlachos : ALABAMA

Defensive Ends

1. Quinton Coples : NORTH CAROLINA
2. Cam Johnson : VIRGINIA
3. Vinny Curry : MARSHALL
4. Andre Branch : CLEMSON
5. Nick Perry : USC*

Defensive Tackles

1. Jerel Worthy : MICHIGAN STATE*
2. Devon Still : PENN STATE
3. Fletcher Cox : MISSISSIPPI STATE*
4. Billy Wynn : BOISE STATE
5. Derek Wolfe : CINCINNATI

Outside Linebackers

1. Courtney Upshaw : ALABAMA
2. Zach Brown : NORTH CAROLINA
3. Shea McClellin : BOISE STATE
4. Lavonte David : NEBRSAKA
5. Bruce Irvin : WEST VIRGINIA

Middle Linebackers

1. Luke Kuechly : BOSTON COLLEGE*
2. Don’t’a Hightower : ALABAMA*
3. Vontaze Burfict : ARIZONA STATE*
4. Audie Cole : NORTH CAROLINA STATE
5. Mychal Hendricks : CALIFORNIA

Cornerbacks

1. Morris Claiborne : LOUISIANA STATE*
2. Dre Kirkpatrick : ALABAMA*
3. Casey Hayward : VANDERBILT
4. Leonard Johnson : IOWA STATE
5. Alfonzo Dennard : NEBRASKA

Safeties

1. Mark Barron : ALABAMA
2. Winston Guy Jr. : KENTUCKY
3. Markelle Martin : OKLAHOMA STATE
4. Harrison Smith : NOTRE DAME
5. George Iloka : BOISE STATE

Top 28

1. Andrew Luck : STANFORD
2. Trent Richardson : ALABAMA
3. Matt Kalil : USC
4. Morris Claiborne : LOUISIANA STATE
5. Luke Kuechly : BOSTON COLLEGE
6. David DeCastro : STANFORD
7. Riley Reiff : IOWA
8. Robert Griffin : BAYLOR
9. Justin Blackmon : OKLAHOMA STATE
10. Peter Konz : WISCONSIN
11. Courtney Upshaw : ALABAMA
12. Zach Brown : NORTH CAROLINA
13. Dwight Jones : NORTH CAROLINA
14. Jonathan Martin : STANFORD
15. Quinton Coples : NORTH CAROLINA
16. Dre Kirkpatrick : ALABAMA
17. Cam Johnson : VIRGINIA
18. Michael Floyd : NOTRE DAME
19. Dont’a Hightower : ALABAMA
20. Casey Hayward : VANDERBILT
21. Kevin Zeitler : WISCONSIN
22. Vontaze Burfict : ARIZONA STATE
23. Vinny Curry : MARSHALL
24. Mark Barron : ALABAMA
25. David Wilson : VIRGINIA TECH
26. Mike Adams : OHIO STATE
27. Shea McClellin : BOISE STATE
28. Winston Guy Jr. : KENTUCKY

Hurricanes25 01-11-2012 07:38 PM

Good stuff as always PF. I'm glad you have Leonard Johnson up there as he's very underrated. And I see you're higher on Kirk Cousins than most.

TACKLE 01-11-2012 07:46 PM

Lamar Miller isn't a top 5 RB in this draft? Since when?

princefielder28 01-11-2012 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TACKLE (Post 2821791)
Lamar Miller isn't a top 5 RB in this draft? Since when?

forgot him in my rankings...thanks for pointing it out

Caulibflower 01-11-2012 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TACKLE (Post 2821791)
Lamar Miller isn't a top 5 RB in this draft? Since when?

I think he's a bit overrated, but I would have him at least over LaMichael James for sure.

Sloopy 01-11-2012 07:51 PM

Not bad, just a few things though:

1. I will second Tack here, where is Lamar Miller?

2. I think Dontari Poe and Ta'amu deserve to be ahead of guys like Wynn and Wolfe.

3. Is this purely talent based? If so I would argue Taze over Hightower. I know Taze has struggled this year and there are concerns but I still think he is a first round guy whereas Hightower is more of a second rounder.

4. I'd have T.J. McDonald in my top 5 safeties

princefielder28 01-11-2012 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sweater-vest_mafia (Post 2821799)
Not bad, just a few things though:

1. I will second Tack here, where is Lamar Miller?

2. I think Dontari Poe and Ta'amu deserve to be ahead of guys like Wynn and Wolfe.

3. Is this purely talent based? If so I would argue Taze over Hightower. I know Taze has struggled this year and there are concerns but I still think he is a first round guy whereas Hightower is more of a second rounder.

4. I'd have T.J. McDonald in my top 5 safeties

1. I edited the rankings to reflect the mistake I made of forgetting Miller

2. I thought about Poe because his potential is extremely high but once Ta'amu can't completely shut down by DeCastro it was going to take an extraordinary effort to get into the top 5 at the position (his stock is based moreso on potential as well)

3. My rankings take into consideration everything...Taze is certainly more naturally gifted than Hightower but there are question marks with him than weigh heavily

4. McDonald is staying at USC

JRTPlaya21 01-11-2012 08:05 PM

No Orson Charles?

princefielder28 01-11-2012 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRTPlaya21 (Post 2821818)
No Orson Charles?

I gotta watch more of him before I throw him in my rankings bc I wasn't expecting him to declare...he'll likely be placed between Fleener and Green

princefielder28 01-11-2012 08:22 PM

double post

thefridge15 01-11-2012 08:50 PM

What keeps David Molk out of your top 5 centers if you don't mind me asking...I have him as the #3 behind Brewster. Also I love your inclusion of Derek Wolfe, very underrated prospect in my opinion, so consistently productive.

Mitchell 01-11-2012 08:59 PM

I'm all for bold predictions, but I'm an MSU fan.

Kirk Cousins is not the third best QB in this draft, like he can't be...............

princefielder28 01-11-2012 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thefridge15 (Post 2821862)
What keeps David Molk out of your top 5 centers if you don't mind me asking...I have him as the #3 behind Brewster. Also I love your inclusion of Derek Wolfe, very underrated prospect in my opinion, so consistently productive.

Molk is too small at under 290 and I'm not sure if he's maxed out his frame or not...he'd be my 6th center so he's not far off

princefielder28 01-11-2012 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitchell (Post 2821878)
I'm all for bold predictions, but I'm an MSU fan.

Kirk Cousins is not the third best QB in this draft, like he can't be...............

tell me what you don't like about him

he's an experienced signal caller with a quality arm, good mechanics and is extremely efficient in the short to intermediate passing attack...doesn't have a high ceiling but I think he's got a good shot of being a starter at some point

Mitchell 01-11-2012 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princefielder28 (Post 2821885)
tell me what you don't like about him

he's an experienced signal caller with a quality arm, good mechanics and is extremely efficient in the short to intermediate passing attack...doesn't have a high ceiling but I think he's got a good shot of being a starter at some point

Terrible with his reads, it's pretty much Cunningham or bust for Cousins.. He's scared of pressure, despite having the ability to make some plays in the pocket... His throwing motion/strength is good, but his accuracy isn't.

I like him as a project behind a very good QB, but he just hasn't put it all together and to label him as the 3rd best is way too high of expectations for Kirk. He did gradually improve throughout the year though (Outback Bowl aside).

princefielder28 01-11-2012 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mitchell (Post 2821923)
Terrible with his reads, it's pretty much Cunningham or bust for Cousins.. He's scared of pressure, despite having the ability to make some plays in the pocket... His throwing motion/strength is good, but his accuracy isn't.

I don't think it was so much poor reads as it was poor options for receivers...Cunningham was his only downfield option; Martin never really emerged in that department...also the offensive line, especially left tackle, was a miserable spot for the team this year (Foreman far and away their best player along the front) and that didn't allow him the time or pocket on a consistent basis to excel consistently

Sloopy 01-12-2012 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by princefielder28 (Post 2821814)
1. I edited the rankings to reflect the mistake I made of forgetting Miller

2. I thought about Poe because his potential is extremely high but once Ta'amu can't completely shut down by DeCastro it was going to take an extraordinary effort to get into the top 5 at the position (his stock is based moreso on potential as well)

3. My rankings take into consideration everything...Taze is certainly more naturally gifted than Hightower but there are question marks with him than weigh heavily

4. McDonald is staying at USC

1. Yea sorry, I saw after I posted

2. Fair enough, I would put Poe higher just because I think that with his potential he could be far better than any of the other DTs in this class. Ta'amu hasn't been great but is still possibly my #1 NT prospect but I can see leaving him off a list including everyone

3. This explains it and I don't blame you. I just was wondering if it was a purely talent based list that you put Hightower ahead of Taze on

4. I was not aware :)

Again, great list though

JoeJoeBrown 01-12-2012 09:48 AM

Brewster has a lot of hype, but he had a pretty poor season, IMO.

I'm not a huge draftnik like you guys, so I don't know how he'd rack and stack vs other centers, but he's a 3rd or 4th round talent, IMO.

killxswitch 01-12-2012 09:54 AM

No Alameda Ta'amu or Dontarri Poe in your top 5 DTs. Tell me about that.

edit: didn't see that you already addressed it.

princefielder28 01-12-2012 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killxswitch (Post 2822215)
No Alameda Ta'amu or Dontarri Poe in your top 5 DTs. Tell me about that.

edit: didn't see that you already addressed it.

I'll add one note...when I look at defensive tackles I place far more value on guys who are "playmakers" rather than "space eaters" even in a odd man front I like that guy who can penetrate into the backfield instead of a guy who will just command a double team

Sloopy 01-12-2012 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeJoeBrown (Post 2822209)
Brewster has a lot of hype, but he had a pretty poor season, IMO.

I'm not a huge draftnik like you guys, so I don't know how he'd rack and stack vs other centers, but he's a 3rd or 4th round talent, IMO.

I wouldn't say he had a poor season. He neutralized some guys who are expected to be 1st-2nd round type guys this year.

Smash28Dash34 01-12-2012 10:24 AM

I think people are sleeping on Alshon Jeffery. I know he had a dip in production, but he had nobody throwing him the ball.

JoeJoeBrown 01-12-2012 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smash28Dash34 (Post 2822239)
I think people are sleeping on Alshon Jeffery. I know he had a dip in production, but he had nobody throwing him the ball.

The problem is that diva WRs are a problem in the NFL and a kid that is pretty fat in college and has a bunch of other attitude issues screams diva WR.

He has all of the physical tools to be an elite WR. It's just that the boom bust potential is high on him.

FUNBUNCHER 01-12-2012 12:26 PM

Jeffery probably goes no later than than the 2nd, but if ends up being Malcolm Kelly/Mike Williams 2.0, can't say I'd be surprised.

Kirk Cousins, is he really barely 200#?? He hasn't be a spectacular QB at Michigan State or in the Big 10. Hard to imagine he's rated the 3rd best QB prospect in this draft.

Chase Minnefield should be among the top five corners.

He will be once he busts out a sub 4.4 at Indy.


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