Present vs. Past Thread
Compare your top prospect to your past top draft picks at there position.
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2007: Johnson Jr
2008: Rodgers Cromartie
Going by how I had them ranked as prospects...
Luck > Bradford > Stafford > Ryan > Newton > Russell
Richardson > Peterson > McFadden > Wells > Spiller > Ingram
Megatron > Green > Bryant > Blackmon > Crabtree > Thomas
Gresham > Olsen > Pettigrew > Keller > Fleener > Rudolph
Suh > Raji > Dareus > Dorsey > Brockers > Okoye
Long > Quinn > Adams > Coples > Jackson > Morgan
Miller > Curry > Rivers > Weatherspoon > Brown > Timmons
Willis > Mayo > Kuechly > McClain > Maualuga > Wilson
Peterson > Haden > Claiborne > Revis > Rodgers-Cromartie > Jenkins
Berry > Landry > Phillips > Delmas > Barron > Williams
The most interesting to me is Newton vs. Luck...I'd say the only reason Luck will be considered a better prospect is because his college awesome lasted more than a season...That said Newton's out-of-this-world physical ability makes this so much closer than it might be given credit for. Then there's a fact that Newton is a boss and he knows/knew it. I'm not sure who would go first if they were in the same draft, but you have to figure Newton would get the Leaf tag between the two.
Newton may be more impressive physically, but Luck isn't some scrub there either. He's 6'4", 235 pounds and can run. His arm has improved too, and it's well above-average. Luck's pristine character and academic performance push him up even further.
QB: Luck > Stafford > Russell > Newton > Bradford > Ryan
RB: Peterson > Richardson > McFadden > Spiller > Moreno > Ingram
WR: Johnson > Green > Crabtree > Blackmon > Bryant > Thomas
TE: Gresham > Pettigrew > Olsen > Keller > Fleener > Rudolph
DT: Suh > Dareus > Dorsey > Okoye > Raji > Still
DE: Long > Quinn > Adams > Coples > Orakpo > Graham
OLB: Miller > Curry > Rivers > Upshaw > Timmons > Weatherspoon
MLB: Willis > McClain > Kuechly > Mayo > Maualuga > Wilson
CB: Peterson > Claiborne > Haden > McKelvin > Hall > Jenkins
S: Berry > Landry > Phillips > Barron > Williams > Delmas
I think it's interesting what hindsight is going to do to Cam Newton the NFL prospect. People will look back and see unrivaled physical tools, one of the most dominant college seasons by any player in recent memory, single-handedly carried his team to a national championship and undefeated season in the SEC followed by what looks to be a future as a dominant quarterback in this league and will remember a phenomenal prospect on paper. What I think will be overlooked is that many people thought Cam would bust because he was a selfish, unintelligent, scumbag who's game just wouldn't transfer to the next level. In fact, I'm not sure there was a single major sports site or draft publication that had him as their #1 QB let alone a top 15 player in the draft. Some even, including this one, guaranteed he would bust. I just find it interesting/strange that Newton vs. Luck is even being mentioned when you consider how little was generally thought of Cam Newton as an NFL prospect.
Luck was unequivocally the #1 QB over Newton last year before he went back. It wasn't just a foregone conclusion, it was ALREADY DECIDED he was going first.
Cam didn't even lock up the #1 spot in the eyes of most people until the last couple weeks and some media types still preferred Gabbert of all people
And after all that...I'm not shedding any tears over Luck going back to school. You never know what will happen in the future but it worked out pretty well for the Panthers
5.2009 Tyson Jackson
6.2010 Derrick Morgan
4.2008 Rogers Cromartie
I've always followed the draft, but I didn't follow it as close as I do now until 2009. So, here are my rankings of the top prospect at each position from each year since. Of course, 2012 rankings aren't completely final, but yeah...
1. 2012 - Andrew Luck, Stanford
2. 2009 - Matthew Stafford, Georgia
3. 2010 - Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame
4. 2011 - Cam Newton, Auburn
1. 2012 - Trent Richardson, Alabama
2. 2011 - Mark Ingram, Alabama
3. 2010 - C.J. Spiller, Clemson
4. 2009 - Knowshon Moreno, Georgia
1. 2011 - A.J. Green, Georgia
2. 2009 - Michael Crabtree, Texas Tech
3. 2010 - Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State
4. 2012 - Justin Blackmon, Oklahoma State
1. 2010 - Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma
2. 2009 - Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State
3. 2011 - Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame
1. 2010 - Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska
2. 2011 - Marcell Dareus, Alabama
3. 2012 - Michael Brockers, Louisiana State
4. 2009 - B.J. Raji, Boston College
1. 2011 - Da'Quan Bowers, Clemson
2. 2010 - Derrick Morgan, Georgia Tech
3. 2012 - Quinton Coples, North Carolina
4. 2009 - Brian Orakpo, Texas
1. 2011 - Von Miller, Texas A&M
2. 2009 - Aaron Curry, Wake Forrest
3. 2010 - Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
4. 2012 - Zach Brown, North Carolina
1. 2012 - Luke Kuechly, Boston College
2. 2009 - James Laurinaitis, Ohio State
3. 2010 - Rolando McClain, Alabama
1. 2011 - Patrick Peterson, Louisiana State
2. 2010 - Joe Haden, Florida
3. 2012 - Morris Claiborne, Louisiana State
4. 2009 - Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State
1. 2010 - Eric Berry, Tennessee
2. 2012 - Mark Barron, Alabama
3. 2009 - Louis Delmas, Western Michigan
RB-Peterson would have been an all time prospect had it not been for injury concerns. McFadden has the slight edge over Richardson then.
WR-Calvin Johnson by a wide margin here followed by AJ Green and Julio Jones in either order. Crabtree was thought to be a very good prospect as well and Dez Bryant was higher than Blackmon but had off the field issues.
TE-There really hasn't been an elite TE prospect since Vernon Davis. I would probably put Gresham at the top though. Coby Fleener is my top TE this year and he would grade out similarly to Rudolph.
OT-Joe Thomas far and away the top guy with Jake Long next. Matt Kalil is a similar level as Jason Smith.
OG-DeCastro hands down. Mike Iupati and Brandon Albert were great prospects but DeCastro is phenomenal. I really like Cordy Glenn too.
OC-Nick Mangold, Alex Mack, Pouncey 1, Pouncey 2
DE-Chris Long was such a safe prospect but had great tools. Gaines Adams was a risky guy with great physical tools. That's a toss up for me. Coples is very much like Derrick Morgan for me.
DT-Suh wins in a landslide and Gerald McCoy would be next. My next top guy would actually be Sedrick Ellis. I wasn't a huge Dorsey fan. No one this year comes close.
OLB-Von Miller I thought was overrated so I'm going to say Aaron Curry. I really liked Weatherspoon as well. Zach Brown has pro bowl potential but he's isn't the same level of prospect.
MLB-P-Willy and it's not even remotely close. Mayo was a fast riser and he would be my second guy. McClain went way too high and guys like Maualuaga and Brandon Spikes also fell coming up to the draft. Keuchly is on the same level as Mayo IMO. Good player but may never be a star.
CB-Patrick Peterson as a prospect. Revis wasn't even my top CB prospect of his year. I really liked Leon Hall and Aaron Ross. Claiborne would probably be my second rated prospect over the last few years.
S-Eric Berry closely followed by Laron Landry relatively easily here. Then Michael Griffen, then Brandon Meriweather. Mark Barron is a notch below them but above Delmas and Phillips.
How I had the prospects rated (to the best of my memory)
I absolutely thought that Stafford was the biggest head case ever, and that's proven to be true, pressure = chuck n duck. But that goes to show you how little I care for Luck going in. I'm also rarely a fan of many top rated QBs, I'm a hater.
RGIII > Bradford > Newton > Ryan = Stafford > Luck > Russell
RB: I thought Wells was going to be a pretty poor NFL back, and I think Ingram is Ron Dayne all over again.
Peterson > Richardson > McFadden > Spiller > Wells >>> Ingram
CJ > Julio > Bryant = Blackmon = Crabtree > Thomas
Gresham > Keller > Allen > Olsen > Rudolph > Pettigrew
Raji > Suh > Dareus > Dorsey > Okoye > Poe
Quinn > Coples > Adams > Long > Morgan > Jackson
Miller > Weatherspoon > Timmons > Brown > Curry > Rivers
Willis > McClain > Burfict > Maualuga > Mayo > Wilson
Peterson > Revis > DRC > Kirkpatrick > Jenkins > Haden
Berry > Landry > Delmas > Smith > Williams > Phillips
QB: Stafford > Luck> Ryan > Newton > Bradford > Russell. I thought Stafford was going to be one of the best QBs in the NFL within five years. I was certain Russell would bust and I thought Newton would be a starter and nothing else. As for Luck, there are times where he looks like the next Peyton Manning. But I'm not as high on him as others might be.
RB: Peterson > McFadden > Richardson > Ingram > Wells > Spiller. I loved Peterson in college and I thought if he could stay healthy, he had all-time great potential. I thought similar things about McFadden. Not quite as good, but close.
WR: Johnson > Blackmon = Julo Jones > Green > Bryant > Thomas Seein Calvin Johnson in person numerous times, I knew he would be great. I liked Julio (alot) more than AJ Green. To be honest, I didn't watch much of Dez Bryant and I thought all the receivers in 2008 outside of Earl Bennett were just meh. For 2012, I love Justin Blackmon. I thought he was great all year and his bowl game just cemented that.
TE: Olsen > Pettigrew = Gresham > Fleener = Rudolph > Keller. The only one of these I really liked was Olsen. **** Mike Martz for trading him.
OLine: I must admit, I don't really watch much offensive linemen.
DE: Morgan > Coples > Long > Quinn = Adams > Jackson. I thought Derrick Morgan would win rookie of the year last year. Maybe he would have had it not been for the injury. I wans't a huge fan of Adams or Jackson. I think Coples will be a very good all around end and make a few Pro Bowls.
DT: Dorsey > Suh > Everyone else. I don't remember much outside of this. I loved Dorsey and was a pretty big fan of Suh as well. The only thing else I remember is that I was intrigued with Okoye's potential because he was so long.
OLB: Miller > Timmons > Brown > Curry > Rivers = Weatherspoon. Not much to say outside of the fact that I really liked Miller but thought he would be misused in Denver's scheme. Guess I was wrong. Zach Brown is exactly the type of linebacker I like.
CB: Peterson = Claiborne > Rodgers-Cromartie > Revis > Haden = Jenkins. I absolutely loved Peterson and I think Claiborne is just slightly behind him. I had never seen Rodger-Cromartie play. BUt as soon as I saw him at the Senior Bowl, I knew he would be a first rounder. I watched a lot of Haden and Jenkins in college and was never really impressed.
S: Berry > Landry > Rahim Moore > Phillips > Barron = Delmas. I loved Eric Berry. I thought he was the most talented player in his draft. I was higher on Rahim Moore than most. I thought he was a late first rounder. I thought Delmas was a terrible pick when it happened. I don't think any safety this year is all that special.
Sorry, but most people completely missed and that's on them...Probably because they wasted so much time poking small holes in a huge talent. Clearly the guys inside the game saw right through the crap because by the time draft day came around he was the no doubt, hands down, you're ******** if you don't make it #1 pick.
Based on my personal evaluations (even though a lot of the guys you listed weren't my personal top guy at that position):
QB: Stafford > Luck > Newton > Bradford > Ryan > Russell
RB: Peterson > McFadden > Spiller > Richardson > Wells > Ingram
WR: Johnson > Green > Thomas = Crabtree = Bryant = Blackmon
TE: Rudolph > Olsen > Fleener = Pettigrew = Gresham > Keller
DT: Suh > Okoye > Raji = Dareus = Dorsey > Still
DE: Long > Coples > Adams > Quinn > Jackson > Morgan
OLB: Miller > Rivers = Timmons = Curry > Weatherspoon > Brown
MLB: Mayo > Willis > Kuechly > McClain > Wilson > Maualuga
CB: Revis >>>> Haden = Claiborne > DRC = Peterson > Jenkins
S: Berry > Landry > Delmas = Phillips > Harrison Smith > Williams
Like others, this is based on how I viewed them prior to the draft. This year's guys are in bold.
Luck > Stafford > Ryan > Russell > Newton > Bradford
McFadden > Peterson > Richardson >Wells > Ingram > Spiller
Johnson > Green > Bryant > Crabtree > Blackmon > Thomas
Gresham > Pettigrew > Olsen > Allen > Rudolph > Keller
Suh > Dorsey > Dareus > Raji > Brockers > Okoye
Long > Coples > Morgan > Quinn > Jackson > Adams
Miller > Curry > Weatherspoon > Rivers > Brown > Timmons
Kuechly > Willis > Maualuga > McClain > Mayo > Wilson
Peterson > Claiborne > Haden > Revis > Rodgers-Cromartie > Jenkins
Berry > Landry > Delmas > Barron > Phillips > Williams
I was pretty off on some of these. I'm going to give how I actually thought of them as prospects though. I don't remember this many people being high on Newton, and I alot of people like Russell too.
QB: Luck > Russell > Stafford > Bradford > Newton > Ryan
RB: Peterson > McFadden > Richardson > Spiller > Wells > Ingram
WR: Johnson > Green > Crabtree > Bryant > Blackmon > Thomas
TE: Gresham > Rudolph > Olsen > Pettigrew > Fleener > Keller
DT: Suh > Dorsey > Dareus > Raji > Okoye > Still
DE: Quinn > Long > Coples > Adams > Jackson > Morgan
OLB: Miller > Curry > Weatherspoon > Rivers > Timmons >
MLB: Willis > McClain > Wilson > Maualuga
CB: Peterson > Haden > Claiborne > DRC > Revis > Jenkins
S: Berry > Landry > Phillips > Delmas > Williams
QB: Luck, Stafford, Newton=Ryan, Russell?, Bradford. (I know I was on the JaMarcus train for a bit, but that was more anti Quinn than anything else. Meanwhile, I killed Ryan for the longest time until I gradually warmed up a bit.)
Loved AD, and I love Trent. I just though McFadden would be 2nd best back in the league quality, while I think Trent can be top 5.
I loved all of the first 4.
Graded them all out highly. (My top 2 tackles are actually Brockers and Poe, but I see them more as 34 DEs)
CB: Peterson>Haden>Claiborne>DRC>Revis (ouch)>Jenkins
I'm surprised that I'm the only one that had Bowers rated as the top DE of 2011 draft class.
The injury concern definitely hurt him, but he was a solid top 5 pick before that information came to light. At least in my opinion.
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