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RCAChainGang 02-06-2012 10:05 PM

Luck or RG3?
 
I know most of us would take Luck, but does RG3 have a shot at being taken first? I'm interested in what you guys think.

Nalej 02-06-2012 10:09 PM

I say no mainly on the basis that the Colts have pretty much said they're taking Luck already.

Plus, shouldn't this be in the "Draft Forum" section?

RCAChainGang 02-06-2012 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nalej (Post 2851984)
I say no mainly on the basis that the Colts have pretty much said they're taking Luck already.

Plus, shouldn't this be in the "Draft Forum" section?

Yes it should. My bad guys.

Nalej 02-06-2012 10:15 PM

No harm, no foul.

At worst, I think the Colts should pull an "Eli"
Draft the guy... then ransom him to the team that drafts RG3.
Not sure if it'll work but I don't see why it wouldn't though.
Big gamble.

tjsunstein 02-07-2012 12:16 AM

I don't see it happening. But who am I right?

Nalej 02-07-2012 12:31 AM

You're TJ!

Bengalsrocket 02-07-2012 01:39 AM

I don't want to fall into the trap of trying to change course mid-stream just for the sake of changing course. What I mean by that is Luck has been the consensus #1 for so long, it's almost boring to pick him as the #1 still.

But if RG3 has any chance of being #1 we'll know almost immediately after the combine.

BuddyCHRIST 02-07-2012 07:30 AM

No way, RG3 is the man but everytime I hear an interview with Luck I'm more convinced he'll be a great player. Kid just has the right mindset and head on his shoulders.

the_dark_knight 02-07-2012 08:13 AM

If it's me starting from scratch I'm taking RG3, if I'm the Colts I'm taking Andrew Luck, not because I think he's going to be the better QB, I just think he'd be the better fit in Indy, more what they are accustomed to, and more what they want to see out on the field.

I think Luck is the safer pick with a vastly lower ceiling than RG3, but it's like I've heard said before, "Son, your potential is going to get me fired." So, we'll see I just really like RG3 as a prospect.

Halsey 02-07-2012 09:11 AM

I honestly don't think any NFL coach, scout, or front office person with a clue would take Griffin over Luck. There may be a select few people in these jobs that would, but I doubt they're top level decision makers. This debate exists more in the minds of fans and media members who want to fuel interest in the Draft. Luck is bigger, taller, more polished and has no history of injuries.

killxswitch 02-07-2012 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_dark_knight (Post 2852225)
If it's me starting from scratch I'm taking RG3, if I'm the Colts I'm taking Andrew Luck, not because I think he's going to be the better QB, I just think he'd be the better fit in Indy, more what they are accustomed to, and more what they want to see out on the field.

I think Luck is the safer pick with a vastly lower ceiling than RG3, but it's like I've heard said before, "Son, your potential is going to get me fired." So, we'll see I just really like RG3 as a prospect.

I think "vastly lower ceilling" is a pretty big overstatement.

Halsey 02-07-2012 09:19 AM

There's always people who claim that the super athletic QBs have higher ceilings than the QBs perceived as "pocket passers". Clearly reality proves this to be true. Look at all the Super Bowls won by super athletic QBs...

the_dark_knight 02-07-2012 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by killxswitch (Post 2852262)
I think "vastly lower ceilling" is a pretty big overstatement.

That's your opinion, and that's why people have multiple scouts and not just one. Watching Luck I see someone with an inadequate arm, with great intangibles and leadership. I saw the same thing in Joey Harrington, and you see how that played out. I saw the same thing in Chad Pennington, and you see how that worked out. I'm not saying Luck can't have more success in the NFL, but RG3 has a brilliant mind, not just for football, and he is a far greater athlete than Luck is.

RG3 may not have the intangible leadership that Luck does, but to take a program like Baylor as far as he did, that takes a special kind of player, and a special kind of team. The QB is the leader of that, so there was definite buy in from everyone around him. If he can get that in the NFL he can be a super star.

So to me, when you've got someone who has the potential to be a super star, vs someone I see as only having the potential to be a star, that's vastly different. Maybe you see it differently, but the difference between Extremely good and Elite, while it may be only 1 step, it's light years different.

Babylon 02-07-2012 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halsey (Post 2852259)
I honestly don't think any NFL coach, scout, or front office person with a clue would take Griffin over Luck. There may be a select few people in these jobs that would, but I doubt they're top level decision makers. This debate exists more in the minds of fans and media members who want to fuel interest in the Draft. Luck is bigger, taller, more polished and has no history of injuries.

With you on this one. This topic is almost laughable.

FUNBUNCHER 02-07-2012 11:07 AM

A GM won't lose their job for drafting Luck over RGIII and Luck doesn't become a superstar QB.

That GM will however be looking for another job in 3-4 years for taking Griffin over Luck and RGIII is an up-and-down QB and Luck turns into a top 5 QB in the NFL.

Luck is the 'safer' pick because there will be less second guessing a FO that takes the consensus #1 if he turns out to be less than advertised.

I still expect both these prospects to develop into playoff caliber QBs.

Babylon 02-07-2012 11:19 AM

Beyond whether it's a safer pick i think Luck would top a list of future top QBs:

Luck
Stafford
Newton
Locker
Griffen

SuperPacker 02-07-2012 11:28 AM

Luck is loads better than Griffin IMO. Hes more accurate and has a lot better pocket presence which is very important.

DraftSavant 02-07-2012 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_dark_knight (Post 2852321)
That's your opinion, and that's why people have multiple scouts and not just one. Watching Luck I see someone with an inadequate arm, with great intangibles and leadership. I saw the same thing in Joey Harrington, and you see how that played out. I saw the same thing in Chad Pennington, and you see how that worked out. I'm not saying Luck can't have more success in the NFL, but RG3 has a brilliant mind, not just for football, and he is a far greater athlete than Luck is.

RG3 may not have the intangible leadership that Luck does, but to take a program like Baylor as far as he did, that takes a special kind of player, and a special kind of team. The QB is the leader of that, so there was definite buy in from everyone around him. If he can get that in the NFL he can be a super star.

So to me, when you've got someone who has the potential to be a super star, vs someone I see as only having the potential to be a star, that's vastly different. Maybe you see it differently, but the difference between Extremely good and Elite, while it may be only 1 step, it's light years different.

This is narrative based scouting.

Stanford was a pretty damn terrible team before Luck got there, too.

onejayhawk 02-07-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DraftSavant (Post 2852391)
This is narrative based scouting.

Stanford was a pretty damn terrible team before Luck got there, too.

No they were not. Stanford is rarely worse than mediocre, and this was not one ot the times.

J

DraftSavant 02-07-2012 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by onejayhawk (Post 2852406)
No they were not. Stanford is rarely worse than mediocre, and this was not one ot the times.

J

2006: 1-11
2007: 4-8 (Harbaugh's first year)
2008: 5-7
2009: 8-5 (Luck's first year starting)
2010: 12-1
2011: 11-2

-_____-

SolidGold 02-07-2012 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DraftSavant (Post 2852413)
2006: 1-11
2007: 4-8 (Harbaugh's first year)
2008: 5-7
2009: 8-5 (Luck's first year starting)
2010: 12-1
2011: 11-2

-_____-

BOOM...Roasted

SuperPacker 02-07-2012 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DraftSavant (Post 2852413)
2006: 1-11
2007: 4-8 (Harbaugh's first year)
2008: 5-7
2009: 8-5 (Luck's first year starting)
2010: 12-1
2011: 11-2

-_____-

that is what you call a par...

dannyz 02-07-2012 03:00 PM

I think when people say Andrew Luck is a Safer Pick it's because you know what your getting with him, at his Worst he is a Good/Average and at his Best he is a Top 5 QB in the NFL. RGIII is more of a Boom/Bust Prospect because He does have Great Potential to be a Great QB he also has the Chance to be a Big Bust if you don't get him into the Right System. I am Taking Andrew Luck Every Time.

Complex 02-07-2012 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DraftSavant (Post 2852413)
2006: 1-11
2007: 4-8 (Harbaugh's first year)
2008: 5-7
2009: 8-5 (Luck's first year starting)
2010: 12-1
2011: 11-2

-_____-

2009 Harbaugh own recruits were juniors or RS sophomores and Toby Gerhart was the main focus.

DraftSavant 02-07-2012 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Complex (Post 2852672)
2009 Harbaugh own recruits were juniors or RS sophomores and Toby Gerhart was the main focus.

Can't we somewhat re-construct this exact same narrative, replacing Gerhart with Kendall?


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