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Vendetta1 02-23-2012 01:34 PM

Oklahoma St. QB Brandon Weeden
 
If u were a team would u draft weeden possiblly to start? I know he's 28 as a rookie but the kid can play! Plus he looks like Ben roethlisberger lol . I could see him in Dallas backing up romo and eventually taking over as the starter ?

niel89 02-23-2012 01:54 PM

I'm personally a fan of his but his age is a major issue. I think maybe a team falls in love with him and maybe goes as high as the 2nd. The hope is that guy of his age should be mature and be ready to play in a year or 2. Maybe a veteran team with qb issues takes a chance on him. Maybe the Jets pick him up to battle/push Sanchez.

onejayhawk 02-23-2012 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by niel89 (Post 2870388)
I'm personally a fan of his but his age is a major issue. I think maybe a team falls in love with him and maybe goes as high as the 2nd. The hope is that guy of his age should be mature and be ready to play in a year or 2. Maybe a veteran team with qb issues takes a chance on him. Maybe the Jets pick him up to battle/push Sanchez.

I think you under rate him a full round. He goes late 1st/early 2nd, possibly on a trade up. Weeden will be a good starting QB in this league. If he gets 3-4 good years instead of 6-7, that is still 3-4 good years. If you look at where 2nd tier QBs have been drafted, and consider that 95% never start successfully, Weeden is a lock for round 2.

J

Vendetta1 02-23-2012 02:16 PM

Could u imagine him in dallas or Seattle ? Both good fits

Vendetta1 02-23-2012 02:17 PM

And I agree with the jets but they should go Russell Wilson maybe even Brock oswiler

niel89 02-23-2012 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendetta1 (Post 2870454)
Could u imagine him in dallas or Seattle ? Both good fits

I could see maybe Seattle if they don't make a big move at QB this offseason. Romo is only 31 and just had a pretty damn good year so I really don't see Weeden as an option for them.

Babylon 02-23-2012 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendetta1 (Post 2870454)
Could u imagine him in dallas or Seattle ? Both good fits

Don't want him in Seattle where he is questionably any better than Tavarus Jackson. Forget the age, Weeden isnt all that great.

onejayhawk 02-23-2012 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon (Post 2870595)
Don't want him in Seattle where he is questionably any better than Tavarus Jackson. Forget the age, Weeden isnt all that great.

He is unquestionably better than TJ at this point in the grading cycle. MUCH better.

J

Caulibflower 02-23-2012 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by onejayhawk (Post 2870670)
He is unquestionably better than TJ at this point in the grading cycle. MUCH better.

J

But would still be a poor pick, because being "better than Tarvarus" still doesn't mean you should be starting. That second round pick could be used more effectively than on another guy who's going to have to be replaced for the team to be competitive. You don't draft Weeden to be a franchise QB. His age makes that a bad pick. I like the Jets idea better; give Mark Sanchez someone to loom behind him. And take him in the third or fourth.

Vendetta1 02-23-2012 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower (Post 2870765)
But would still be a poor pick, because being "better than Tarvarus" still doesn't mean you should be starting. That second round pick could be used more effectively than on another guy who's going to have to be replaced for the team to be competitive. You don't draft Weeden to be a franchise QB. His age makes that a bad pick. I like the Jets idea better; give Mark Sanchez someone to loom behind him. And take him in the third or fourth.

he is for sure better then TJ i bet you he would bring at least 4 more wins to them tj was so inconsistant and i have no idea why they traded for whitehurst. they need to try to go after a vet (not peyton they have no shot)

ChiFan24 02-23-2012 06:15 PM

He'll either go in the first couple rounds or not get drafted at all, IMO. Personally, I don't know what people see in him, but I read that Shanny is a big fan.

Babylon 02-23-2012 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Vendetta1 (Post 2871107)
he is for sure better then TJ i bet you he would bring at least 4 more wins to them tj was so inconsistant and i have no idea why they traded for whitehurst. they need to try to go after a vet (not peyton they have no shot)

Sort of changing the subject but you're right about Seattle going for immediate help. I like Matt Flynn. Seattle needs to win now or they're going to get tired of Pete Carroll real quick.

dolphinfan2k5 02-23-2012 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiFan24 (Post 2871112)
He'll either go in the first couple rounds or not get drafted at all, IMO. Personally, I don't know what people see in him, but I read that Shanny is a big fan.

Flawless logic.

Vendetta1 02-23-2012 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon (Post 2871127)
Sort of changing the subject but you're right about Seattle going for immediate help. I like Matt Flynn. Seattle needs to win now or they're going to get tired of Pete Carroll real quick.

i like matt flynn as well proven he isnt a fluke like kolb or cassell (injury prone)
but i think he would make a perfect fit in Miami with his old OC Philbin its be just like green bay jennings would be marshall. cobb would be bess. they just need a bas ass whiteboy Receiver haha and i might be drawing a blank but miami run game is just like green bay non existent lol

ChiFan24 02-24-2012 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dolphinfan2k5 (Post 2871133)
Flawless logic.

I didn't attempt to present any sort of logic at any point. I just posted a prediction. A prediction that differs from my previous prediction that he will definitely go undrafted.

My rationale is that, if a team thinks he's a franchise QB, they'll take him in the first couple rounds because that's what you do with a franchise QB.

If not, why draft him at all? He's certainly not a "sit for a few years and develop him" QB -- he's 28 God damn years old. I think it's absurd that any team would draft Weeden, since he's really not that good of a QB in the first place, but I understand that some don't agree.

Vendetta1 02-24-2012 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiFan24 (Post 2871604)
I didn't attempt to present any sort of logic at any point. I just posted a prediction. A prediction that differs from my previous prediction that he will definitely go undrafted.

My rationale is that, if a team thinks he's a franchise QB, they'll take him in the first couple rounds because that's what you do with a franchise QB.

If not, why draft him at all? He's certainly not a "sit for a few years and develop him" QB -- he's 28 God damn years old. I think it's absurd that any team would draft Weeden, since he's really not that good of a QB in the first place, but I understand that some don't agree.

hes alot better then people give him credit for so what hes 28 who the hell cares people in this league play forever especially at his position since the nfl is a qb friendly league . so to say hes not worth drafting with his size and his intangibles get outta here !

ChiFan24 02-24-2012 11:58 AM

I care that he's 28. Other smart people care that he's 28. If he was 22 this would be a completely different discussion. It's like people feel bad for him for being old so they need to rationalize it. The reality is that being 28 is a very, very bad thing for an unproven QB that really isn't that good of a QB prospect to begin with.

SenorGato 02-24-2012 12:09 PM

I like him as pretty much the ideal backup. He's going to be one of the best interviews in this draft.

Babylon 02-24-2012 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiFan24 (Post 2871604)
I didn't attempt to present any sort of logic at any point. I just posted a prediction. A prediction that differs from my previous prediction that he will definitely go undrafted.

My rationale is that, if a team thinks he's a franchise QB, they'll take him in the first couple rounds because that's what you do with a franchise QB.

If not, why draft him at all? He's certainly not a "sit for a few years and develop him" QB -- he's 28 God damn years old. I think it's absurd that any team would draft Weeden, since he's really not that good of a QB in the first place, but I understand that some don't agree.

Makes sense to me. I dont think he's starter material and taking him in the 3rd, 4th or whatever isnt going to change that. Chris Weinke was sort of in the same boat and he went in the 4th but i wouldnt take him personally.

dolphinfan2k5 02-24-2012 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiFan24 (Post 2871604)
I didn't attempt to present any sort of logic at any point. I just posted a prediction. A prediction that differs from my previous prediction that he will definitely go undrafted.

My rationale is that, if a team thinks he's a franchise QB, they'll take him in the first couple rounds because that's what you do with a franchise QB.

If not, why draft him at all? He's certainly not a "sit for a few years and develop him" QB -- he's 28 God damn years old. I think it's absurd that any team would draft Weeden, since he's really not that good of a QB in the first place, but I understand that some don't agree.

Well, there are quite a few reasons that someone could take him with a mid-round pick. As mentioned, teams could view him as a solid backup, which is definitely worth a mid round pick to some teams. Other teams might consider his age to be less important, especially since he has not been put through the physical strain that an NFL player who is 28 would have been put through for the past 6 years. Other teams could see him as a potential starter in a year or two, at which point he would be 29 or 30. Even in three years, he'll be 31. This isn't a running back. Quarterbacks have proven time and again that they can succeed well beyond that age. Even if he sits for three years, (rare) he could still have a 6+ years of starting and performing at a high level. To predict that he will be picked in either round 1-2, or he will go undrafted, is flawed logic. It doesn't matter if you support the point or not.

Vendetta1 02-24-2012 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dolphinfan2k5 (Post 2872378)
Well, there are quite a few reasons that someone could take him with a mid-round pick. As mentioned, teams could view him as a solid backup, which is definitely worth a mid round pick to some teams. Other teams might consider his age to be less important, especially since he has not been put through the physical strain that an NFL player who is 28 would have been put through for the past 6 years. Other teams could see him as a potential starter in a year or two, at which point he would be 29 or 30. Even in three years, he'll be 31. This isn't a running back. Quarterbacks have proven time and again that they can succeed well beyond that age. Even if he sits for three years, (rare) he could still have a 6+ years of starting and performing at a high level. To predict that he will be picked in either round 1-2, or he will go undrafted, is flawed logic. It doesn't matter if you support the point or not.


i agree ! if he comes in and does well in training camp and grasp the playbook he could very well start by year two .. depending all on the team of course. he has at least 7 years if he picks things up and in the qb friendly league those years might be very productive and mentally hes more ready then half the other qbs in the draft hes prob the 3rd or 4th best qb in this draft .. so chitown dont base everything on age maturity level is a big factor in where u get picked look at vontez burfict his draft stock is falling based on his maturity level to learn the things is takes to be an nfl player

descendency 02-24-2012 07:00 PM

2nd rounder at best.

Being 28, it'll take him 2-3 years to acclimate to the NFL after maybe 1-2 years of being a backup. He'll be passed his physical prime before he's any good. And then you may get 2 years of decent QB play.

Remember when I said this about Danny Watkins last year before the Eagles drafted him in the first. 28 year old people don't belong in the first round.

Sloopy 02-24-2012 07:15 PM

He will actually be 29 by the time that the season starts.

It would be tough to justify drafting him earlier than, say, the 5th as he probably has 2-3 years before he begins to fall off and he probably has little to no upside from where he is at now.

A team that thinks they are a QB away might take him and let him enter a QB competition with the other guys on the team but they would have to think that he has a good chance of winning the job as he really can't afford to spend time on the bench.

Might present back up value in the 6th to 7th as well or even UDFA.

ChiFan24 02-25-2012 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dolphinfan2k5 (Post 2872378)
Well, there are quite a few reasons that someone could take him with a mid-round pick. As mentioned, teams could view him as a solid backup, which is definitely worth a mid round pick to some teams. Other teams might consider his age to be less important, especially since he has not been put through the physical strain that an NFL player who is 28 would have been put through for the past 6 years. Other teams could see him as a potential starter in a year or two, at which point he would be 29 or 30. Even in three years, he'll be 31. This isn't a running back. Quarterbacks have proven time and again that they can succeed well beyond that age. Even if he sits for three years, (rare) he could still have a 6+ years of starting and performing at a high level. To predict that he will be picked in either round 1-2, or he will go undrafted, is flawed logic. It doesn't matter if you support the point or not.

If a guy's best case projection is that he might be a good starting QB when he's 30-31 years old, he's not worth drafting. The ONLY way he's worth drafting is if some team thinks he can be an effective QB right now, in which case, I promise you, they will take him in the first couple rounds.

So again, that's my prediction. If he gets out of round 2, he won't be drafted at all. He might be high on some draft boards, but no team in the mid rounds is going to say to themselves "hmmm....backup QB that's a couple months younger than Charlie Whitehurst or backup QB with a similar skill set that will be the same age as them 6 years from now." If he's already fallen out of the first 2 rounds, no team was that impressed with him in the first place. Once you get to the third, it doesn't make sense to me that any team would be interested. I mean....even teams that take backup QB's in the third round do it with the hope that they eventually develop into something more. Weeden doesn't offer that upside....physically, he pretty much is what he is.

So yes, while it's a little bit of an outside the box prediction, there is actual logic being applied here. And this doesn't even factor in the fact that I have no idea what anyone could possibly see in Weeden as a QB. I mean come on people....watch the Iowa State game for God's sake.

dolphinfan2k5 02-25-2012 02:44 AM

Or maybe they would say "hmm, we like this guy and graded him as a first round prospect but we didn't take him in the first couple of rounds because of his age. At this point in the draft I am investing much less and my other options aren't as enticing as in the first couple of rounds, so it is worth the risk for a player who I have graded highly at the most important position in football, who, if he figures it out quickly, could bring my franchise at least five good years of top quarterbacking."

Just because someone might think getting another top player in the first or second round is a better investment than Weeden with his age being a factor does not mean that they are going to be sitting there in rounds 5, 6, and 7 and picking players who have much larger inhibitors to success than age.


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