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Ness 03-27-2012 07:11 AM

NFL.com's Greatest team of all time.
 
I thought this was pretty interesting. The final four teams were a surprise to me. This isn't like America's Game either that was done a few years ago. Non-Super Bowl teams were including early on, but obviously as time went on those were eliminated.

The final four:

2000 Ravens vs. 1984 49ers.

Interesting NFL Films video link about matchup.

1985 Bears vs. 1976 Raiders.

Interesting NFL Films video link about matchup.

Let the debate begin. Oh and and in case you wanted to see the previous bracket and how the other teams shaped out, it started here:

http://www.nfl.com/features/bracketo...eteams?round=1

Again, I thought it was interesting to see how they included teams that didn't even win the Super Bowl. Cool to see how far they got, at least to me.

Razor 03-27-2012 07:33 AM

I don't want to be a complete homer, but the 2007 (or 2004) Patriots need to be at least in the conversation. Also, unless I've been told wrong the '86 Bears were even better than the '85 Bears. They just didn't win the Super Bowl.

Shane P. Hallam 03-27-2012 08:01 AM

I feel like about 10-12 years ago, ESPN or someone did something like this where they took the tape of games and put other teams into it and had the greatest teams of all-time match-up. IIRC, the end was one of the Steeler teams against one of the 49er teams. I wish I could find links to that again.

bigbluedefense 03-27-2012 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor (Post 2922878)
I don't want to be a complete homer, but the 2007 (or 2004) Patriots need to be at least in the conversation. Also, unless I've been told wrong the '86 Bears were even better than the '85 Bears. They just didn't win the Super Bowl.

The 86 Bears were better than the 85 Bears but they blew it vs Washington in the playoffs. They also had some issues at qb that year.

They would have lost to the 86 Giants that year anyway though. That 86 Giant team was more stable at qb and had just as dominant of a defense. LT had something like 22.5 sacks that year or something.

And Parcells had his own version of the 46 that he used as a subpackage, a 3-5-3 defense used the same concepts as the 46.

bigbluedefense 03-27-2012 08:07 AM

I'm surprised the 70s Steelers aren't in the final four. They absolutely deserve to be there.

And Lombardi's Packers. Those 2 teams should have met in the Finals of this tournament.

I love the 2000 Ravens defense, but that team has no business being in the final 4.

WCH 03-27-2012 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 2922886)
I'm surprised the 70s Steelers aren't in the final four. They absolutely deserve to be there.

And Lombardi's Packers. Those 2 teams should have met in the Finals of this tournament.

I love the 2000 Ravens defense, but that team has no business being in the final 4.

This a homer post on my part, but Lombardi's Packers won 5 championships in 7 years; and you can't talk about the best teams ever and not include Lombardi's '62 Packers team. They went 13-1 with their loss being to the division rival Detroit Lions, and they beat the Giants for the NFL Championship for the second consecutive season (you know, back in the days when the Packers could beat the Giants in the postseason). The defense allowed only 10.8 PPG and held opposing quarterbacks to a 43.5 QB rating, and they outscored their opponents by 267 points.

I suppose the 12-2 Super Bowl I team of '66 is a decent substitute, if you're limiting it to the Super Bowl era; but those Lombardi teams have to be in the conversation. Super Bowls I and II were actually the second and third years of a three-peat.

Don Vito 03-27-2012 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor (Post 2922878)
I don't want to be a complete homer, but the 2007 (or 2004) Patriots need to be at least in the conversation. Also, unless I've been told wrong the '86 Bears were even better than the '85 Bears. They just didn't win the Super Bowl.

I'll take our 2004 team over our 2007 team any day, and I would definitely take the 04 squad over the 2000 Ravens.

killxswitch 03-27-2012 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 2922955)
I'll take our 2004 team over our 2007 team any day, and I would definitely take the 04 squad over the 2000 Ravens.

The mid-00s Patriots teams were some of the most balanced football teams in NFL history. Just really good in almost every phase of the game.

Especially the cheating phase :banana: :banana: :banana:

jrdrylie 03-27-2012 10:10 AM

I have trouble calling the 2000 Ravens one of the greatest teams ever. Sure their defense was great, but the offense was a joke.

Razor 03-27-2012 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by killxswitch (Post 2922957)
The mid-00s Patriots teams were some of the most balanced football teams in NFL history. Just really good in almost every phase of the game.

Especially the cheating phase :banana: :banana: :banana:

Awww, that's cute. A Colt fan hinting that someone else was violating the integrity of the game..

Something about stones and glasshouses.

killxswitch 03-27-2012 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor (Post 2922963)
Awww, that's cute. A Colt fan hinting that someone else was violating the integrity of the game..

Something about stones and glasshouses.

I'm not hinting and I'm not talking about just integrity. I'm stating clearly that your coach and team cheated and that it taints the teams' accomplishments, including their SBs. Granted, I did it in a jovial banana-dancing manner.

Razor 03-27-2012 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by killxswitch (Post 2922965)
I'm not hinting and I'm not talking about just integrity. I'm stating clearly that your coach and team cheated and that it taints the teams' accomplishments, including their SBs. Granted, I did it in a jovial banana-dancing manner.

And I'm saying that it's been proved that we cheated in 2007, not before that. You can argue that we did it prior to 2007 (which we probably did), but you can't prove it. What can be proved is Polian pumping in crowd noise in the RCA dome and changing the rules of the game to favor his own QB. I'm not saying we didn't cheat, but to hear it from a Colt fan is just funny.

killxswitch 03-27-2012 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor (Post 2922968)
And I'm saying that it's been proved that we cheated in 2007, not before that. You can argue that we did it prior to 2007 (which we probably did), but you can't prove it. What can be proved is Polian pumping in crowd noise in the RCA dome and changing the rules of the game to favor his own QB. I'm not saying we didn't cheat, but to hear it from a Colt fan is just funny.

1 - Polian is an ass, I hate his rule changing too
2 - the crowd noise thing is bogus and was never proven, because it never happened
3 - **** the Pats

Jvig43 03-27-2012 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by killxswitch (Post 2923002)
1 - Polian is an ass, I hate his rule changing too
2 - the crowd noise thing is bogus and was never proven, because it never happened
3 - **** the Pats

You my good sir, need to clam down. Jealously is very unbecoming of you :evil_laugh:

killxswitch 03-27-2012 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jvig43 (Post 2923004)
You my good sir, need to clam down. Jealously is very unbecoming of you :evil_laugh:

Are you telling me I need to get laid?

A Perfect Score 03-27-2012 11:29 AM

The 2000 Ravens had Jamal Lewis and Priest Holmes running the ball. Screw you we were a joke! TRENT DILFERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!

Oh yeah, and Shannon Sharpe. And Jermaine Lewis. Awesome sauce.

Brothgar 03-27-2012 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor (Post 2922878)
I don't want to be a complete homer, but the 2007 (or 2004) Patriots need to be at least in the conversation. Also, unless I've been told wrong the '86 Bears were even better than the '85 Bears. They just didn't win the Super Bowl.

They were in the tournament it started with a bunch of teams. this is just the final 4.

Ravens1991 03-27-2012 12:52 PM

IM shocked the 2000 Ravens got this far. I guess because it is one of the best teams in the lifetime of the common person who is on the internet a lot has a lot to do with it.

killxswitch 03-27-2012 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravens1991 (Post 2923189)
IM shocked the 2000 Ravens got this far. I guess because it is one of the best teams in the lifetime of the common person who is on the internet a lot has a lot to do with it.

Probably. It is hard to be objective about a team that was dominant when your parents were children.

yodabear 03-27-2012 01:16 PM

My feelings....

49ers over Ravens
I wasn't born for the 49ers, but I was for the Ravens. With all do to respect, but the Ravens offense went like 6 games without scoring. If this was best defense...00 Ravens prolly play the 85 Bears, but for best team, I will go with the Niners.

Bears over Raiders
Once again wasn't born for either, but I hear so much about the vaunted 85 Bears.

Bears over 49ers
I am a Midwest guy. The FRIDGE!!!!! AND DITKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Ness 03-27-2012 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jrdrylie (Post 2922960)
I have trouble calling the 2000 Ravens one of the greatest teams ever. Sure their defense was great, but the offense was a joke.

I think the major knock on the 2000 Ravens is that they didn't really play any great quarterbacks that season. The only one I can think of is Rich Gannon who they knocked out in the playoffs. They played a couple of good ones in Mark Brunell and Steve McNair (who really wasn't the passer he would become later on), but everyone one else was mostly average.

Thunder&Lightning 03-27-2012 01:35 PM

If the 2008 Patriots won the super bowl they would be the #1 team, no questions asked.. But they didnt so fml

bigbluedefense 03-27-2012 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Thunder&Lightning (Post 2923253)
If the 2008 Patriots won the super bowl they would be the #1 team, no questions asked.. But they didnt so fml

I love Eli Manning.

A Perfect Score 03-27-2012 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 2923266)
I love Eli Manning.

How anyone could love that inbred, mouthbreathing idiot is beyond me. But I guess I'm not a Giants fan.

Brent 03-27-2012 02:36 PM

How is it the '84 Niners and not '89?


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