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Hines 04-29-2012 01:04 PM

Grade Your Team's Draft
 
Here is my take on the Steelers' draft:



1-24) David Decastro G Stanford
-Slam dunk pick. An absolute steal and game changer for a pick.
Grade: A+
2-56) Mike Adams OT Ohio State
-Once again, a very good pick. I wouldn’t have been very happy with him as a first round pick, but as a second round pick, I really do. If he can turn his life around and develop the way everyone believes he can, the Steelers stole another one.
Grade: A
3-86) Sean Spence LB Miami (Fla.)
-At first, I really didn’t like this pick. In fact, I hated it. I still don’t know how he fits the Steelers’ defensive scheme. But after further research, I’m starting to like it. While he is still small and will only be a special teams wizard while he bulks up, the kid is a football player and could be our dime LB real soon.
Grade: C+
4-109) Alameda Ta’Amu NT Washington
-Once again, this is a slam dunk pick. Once considered a first round prospect, injury and weight concerns dropped him. I have never seen a big guy move the way he has and I believe he is the heir apparent to Casey Hampton and will make a similar impact.
Grade: A+
5-159) Chris Rainey RB/WR Florida
-He has character concerns and is very small, but he will be a weapon on offense and special teams for the Steelers. As a rookie he’ll be a special package guy on offense and make an immediate impact on special teams. I liked other RBs before him, but his skill set is top notch.
Grade: B
7-231) Toney Clemons WR Colorado
-Honestly, one of my favorite picks for the Steelers. Maybe it is the fact he is from Western P a, but Clemons has everything you look for in a WR. He runs good routes, he’s big, fast, good hands, good blocker, etc. He’s very undefined as a WR, though. Every year in college he’s had a new HC, WR coach, or OC coaching him something different. The Steelers have struck gold with mid to late round WRs lately and I firmly believe Clemons will make the team as the fifth receiver and make some plays his rookie season.
Grade: B
7-240) David Paulson TE Oregon
-I said nice pick seeing Paulson’s name on the screen yesterday. With Miller, Pope, and Saunders already on the rosters as true TEs, Paulson will be competing with David Johnson for the FB/move TE role in our offense. I do not like the fact he is not that explosive, but could be an underrated receiver in our offense.
Grade: B-
7-246) Terrance Fredrick CB Texas A&M
-I really like this pick. He was a few of the late round slot guys I liked at the cornerback position. The Steelers have 3 young corners in camp that will be competing for the starting job, but I believe Frederick will make an impact in the slot and play special teams immediately. I think he’ll be the fifth CB on the team come September.
Grade: B
7-248) Kelvin Beachum OL SMU
-I’ll be honest, I do not know much about him. Colbert said he’s a very smart guy who can play every position potentially on the line. Tomlin loves guys who can play multiple positions and it’ll be fun to watch Beachum, Legursky, and Essex battle for spots along the OL.
Grade: C

Overview: The Steelers got three potential impact players in DeCastro, Adams, and Ta’Amu, while potentially getting solid role players in Spence, Rainey, Clemons, and Paulson. While DeCastro and Adams are the only starters this year, the Steelers’ special teams will improve and the long term affect of this draft could be great.

Final grade: A

SuperPacker 04-29-2012 01:07 PM

I posted this in the Packers team board earlier:

2012 Draft Review

1. Nick Perry, DE, USC
Love this pick. Perry is a high potential pass rusher, because of his speed and explosiveness. The outside linebacker spot was a HUGE need for us, so bringing in Perry was the most sensible pick. At 270, he will have to lose some weight, which could help him loosen his hips a bit (his only real concern) and become better suited a linebacker role.

Grade - A

2. Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan
Seeing TT trade up for a player is very rare, so him trading up for Jerel Worthy is a great sign. A great value pick (seen by many as a first round pick) and fills a big need created when Cullen Jenkins left last offseason. Worthy has an explosive first step and was one of the most instinctive defensive lineman in the draft. Its obvious that high on the priority list for Capers. is speed.

Grade - A+

2. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
TT has officially gone mad. With the first 3 picks in the draft we have improved each level of defense and have done so with great players and great value. Hayward a corner perfectly suited for a zone scheme, should fit right in here. He has the ball skills to challenge Woodson, so he should be a playmaker for this defense. Also a good tackler which was a definite issue last year. What makes this pick even better is that it only cost us a 5th round pick to move up 30 spots.

Grade - A+

4. Mike Daniels, DT, Iowa
What Dom Capers is looking for is even more evident now. Daniels a quick, agile defensive lineman should be a good rotational defensive tackle, who should specialise in pass rushing situations. He was also very productive last season, amassing 9.5 sacks. After grabbing Worthy earlier in the draft, defensive tackle was arguably still a position of need. Daniels will probably never be a starter, but will be a very useful player for our defense.

Grade - B+

4. Jerron McMillian, S, Maine
I confess to not knowing much about this guy, but after hearing Mel Kiper's, TT's and Dom Caper's opinion on him, im starting to warm to the pick. A underrated safety, who excels in tackling and being a disruptive force in a defense. After the loss of Nick Collins, safety was a huge need, making McMillian exactly what we need.

Grade - C+

5. Terrell Manning, ILB, North Carolina State
Another trade up by Ted Thompson and at first many (including me) were questioning the pick. After watching 3 of his games, i completely understand the move. Firstly, Manning was great value here in the 5th round and secondly, he does pretty much everything. He pass rushes with speed and agility, he tackles like a linebacker should and he has great covering skills. He will bring a lot to this defense and is a possible starter once AJ Hawk gets the **** out of Green Bay.

Grade - B+

7. Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State
Datko has issues with his shoulder, but in the 7th round the risk is very minimal. An established offensive tackle, who would be 4th on the depth chart, but if he stays healthy and gets coached like Bulaga and Newhouse did he could be more.

Grade - B

7. BJ Coleman, QB, Chattanooga
It was important for us to pick a QB in this draft and we did with the last pick of the day. Coleman is a very intelligent quarterback, who understands the game very well. He played behind a terrible offensive line and had poor receivers, so his potential has yet to be reached. If we could "Matt Flynn" him and trade him for future picks, this will be a great pick.

Grade - B+

Overall
Our defense was terrible last season, so going all out defense was the best news ever. We also grabbed 3 great players and got to see TT trade up. Because of the first 3 picks, this has to be a A or A+

Diehard 04-29-2012 01:22 PM

Broncos:

36. Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
57. Brock Osweiler, QB, ASU
67. Ronnie Hillman, RB, SDSU
101. Omar Bolden, CB, ASU
108. Philip Blake, C, Baylor
137. Malik Jackson, DE, Tennessee
188. Danny Trevathan, LB, Kentucky

Not necessarily the names I expected to hear, but addressed most of the main needs - inside pass rush, speed/quickness at RB, competition at interior OL. From a value perspective, I like the later part of the draft better - I can see all four guys picked after 100 end up being solid contributors.

The ugly mark is Osweiler in the 2nd. The assessment of whether this is a good or bad draft will eventually hinge on how he turns out.

Overall: B-

Sportsfan486 04-29-2012 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SuperPacker (Post 2978061)
Overall
Our defense was terrible last season, so going all out defense was the best news ever. We also grabbed 3 great players and got to see TT trade up. Because of the first 3 picks, this has to be a A or A+

This.

The Packers had one significant weakness last year; the opponent's passing game.

Solution? With our first six picks we selected four passrushers and two defensive backs, all of whom have a chance to come in and produce this year.

A+.

49ersfan_87 04-29-2012 01:33 PM

1.30- AJ Jenkins, WR
2.61- LaMichael James, RB
4.117- Joe Looney, OG
5.165- Darrell Fleming, OLB
6.180-Trent Robinson, S
6.199- Jason Slowey, C
7.237- Cam Johnson, OLB

Notables: Picked up future 3rd, 5th, and 6th rounders in the 2013 draft.

First 2 picks give us playmaking ability. Jenkins is fast, gains seperation, good hands, and good character. He can go deep and intermediate and can find soft spots in the zone. James is a homerun hitter from anywhere on the field and has good vision and breakaway speed. Watch for him on screens. Both should help our 3rd down and red zone inefficiencies.

Joe Looney will compete with 2011 5th rounder Daniel Kilgore for the RG job.

Fleming and Johnson are depth to Aldon and Brooks. Slowey and Robinson are also depth but they may compete for starting spots in a year.

Overall grade: B or B+, around that area.

robert pancake gallery 04-29-2012 01:34 PM

cleveland browns:

no grade.

because none of the players have played yet, making it impossible to grade their performance.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock 04-29-2012 01:38 PM

C overall
Got our qb and best player in the draft. Way to much offense for me on what is an atrocious abysmal down right awful defense.

SenorGato 04-29-2012 02:45 PM

Giving the Jets a solid A. Didn't expect Coples to be there at all and he's the best pass rusher in this draft (also love Perry)...Hill has the tools the Jets need at WR and was being mocked almost 20 picks higher (not that that is a big deal for the most part since I didn't buy the Texans crap)....Davis IMO was the best true sleeper in the draft (barely heard a peep about him unlike another "sleeper" Brandon Taylor) and I stand by the "young Bart Scott" comp....they finished strong as well with Bush, Ganaway, and Allen as solid picks.

Only issues are that the Giants took McCants a pick before we took the other RG from Baylor and that Ganaway is more competition for Greene than the two speed backs who haven't done much (but even then I figured out why and I'm fine with it).

Their best draft in years on paper. Thought the last great wasn't great on paper and we got ripped for only taking 4 players ('07 Revis Harris whoever else).

RaiderNation 04-29-2012 02:55 PM

Oakland Raiders

3rd Tony Bergstrom OT/OG Utah Grade: B
Bergstrom might be a round too early, but what he offers to us at LG/RT had to be too much for McKenzie to pass up. Very good size, quick off the snap, and in my mind can be a starting ZBS player for us. He'll likely compete with Carlisle at LG in the pre season.

4th Miles Burris SLB SDSU Grade: A-
As many of you already know I've really liked what I saw from Burris for some time, and thought he'd be a perfect fit as a pass rusher at SLB. Burris is a high motor player that will also bring much needed intinsity to this defense. He and Wheeler should see most the time at SLB this season.

5th Jack Crawford DE Penn State Grade B+
Crawford has been a prospect that the Raiders have been eyeing since the Senior Bowl and looks to be a player that we can plug in right away into our DE rotation. This pick would have been a B grade, but trading down to get the extra 7th has to make this pick get a slighly better grade.

5th Juron Criner WR Arizona Grade: A
I'm a big fan of Criner, and he showed at the Senior Bowl he can easily be productive in the NFL. Criner is a great fit into our WR group, giving Palmer a big red zone target and also a guy who isn't afraid to go over the middle. DHB, Moore and Ford on the outside with Criner and Murphy in the slot sounds good to me.

6th Christo Bilukidi DT Georgia State Grade: C-
Small school prospect that has the size to play at the next level. He will likely need time before he see's any real action, but McKenzie must think this kid could be a run stuffer for this team in the future.

7th Nathan Stupar ILB/WLB Penn State Grade: B
Stupar is a solid prospect that projects as a very solid back up and special teams player. We needed a WLB to back up Curry, and Stupar has 4 career INT's, 10 PBU and 5 sacks. Another solid football player added to the team.

Overall Grade: B+
The media doesn't like to give Oakland much positive press, especially during the draft it seems like but when you look at the circumstances new GM Reggie McKenzie was put in you will understand how this is a solid draft. McKenzie was able to make some very underrated signings this off season finding productive football players on the cheap, something Al Davis would rarely do and would instead over pay for the freak athlete. I think we found 2 starters and 3 rotational players in this draft right away, with Bilukidi being a developmental guy.

I'm still disappointed we passed on guys like Ronnell Lewis, Josh Chapman and others in the mid rounds, but I'm still content with the draft class that McKenzie is bringing in year 1.

bigbuc 04-29-2012 03:12 PM

Tampa Bay Bucs

Mark Barron- At first didn't understand the pick, but after more info he's what the Bucs needed on D.

Doug Martin- Getting the second best back and filling a need this pick could be big.

Lavonte David- I think this was the pick of the draft for us. David is everything our LBs are not. Nose for the ball, good tackler etc...

Najee Goode- He is capable of making an immediate impact on special teams.

Keith Tandy- Gunner on SP? Also could be coached up maybe a 4th CB on day.

Michael Smith- Big speed, great 3rd back to have....

Drake Dunsmore- camp body that could be our FB.


Bucs first three picks filled big needs without over drafting the player. Then I think we went with guys who could fill roles with this team. Also if you haven't already found out, if you're a team captain most likely you'll be drafted by the Bucs.

Splat 04-29-2012 03:42 PM

As a whole I give the Chiefs a B.

Their biggest needs going in to the draft were QB,NT and depth. They filled all of those besides QB which just wasn't going to happen.

armageddon 04-29-2012 03:58 PM

Rams easily get an A

RD 1 - DT Brockers - Run stuffing beast

RD 2 - WR Quick - Rams coaches love him and call him the best WR prospect in draft

RD 2 - CB Jenkins - steal of draft. Best CB in the draft

RD 2 - RB Pead - Rams finally have a change of pace RB to go with SJax

RD 3 - CB Johnson. Big, athletic CB who had 1st round grade by many

RD 4 - WR Givens - Another huge steal. Vertical receiver. Best route runner in draft.

6 studs

SuperPacker 04-29-2012 04:06 PM

I LOVE the rams draft! The two corners they got are both first round talents IMO, so if they pan out it would be amazing. Not a huge fan of Brockers, but it makes sense, Quick is a very talented receiver and Givens will be a nice compliment to him.

JohnCandy 04-29-2012 04:29 PM

Bears Draft Grade

This draft showed us that Phillip Emery is not drafting out of a magazine and he is trying to be creative with his picks.

1[19] DE Shea McClellin [Boise State] A-

The Bears needed a DE that can make more dynamic plays that Idonije and that is what McClellin is. McClellin is a high motor, high character player that has sneaky athletic ability and simply makes plays. What makes me love this pick is that with Peppers and Melton collapsing the pocket McClellin's hustle should allow him to make a ton of plays cleaning up after what those guys do. McClellin and his relentless nature are what the Bears thrive on at defense. Emery showed his conviction to the pick by passing on more athletic, but riskier picks in Jones and Mercilus.



2[45] WR Alshon Jeffery [South Carolina] A

This is the pick that will make this draft an franchise defining draft or simply a solid one. Jeffery has top 10 talent and arguably the best hands in the draft. He has everything you look for in a #1 WR except for elite separation skills. Jeffery is not going to be asked to be the #1 in Chicago that is saved for Brandon Marshall. He is going to be asked to come in and physically dominate single coverage across from Marshall. Jeffery provides the Bears with a gigantic WR core and the risk is nothing compared to the possible upside. At worst I think that Jeffery becomes a Michael Jenkins [Vikings], but if he hits this could be the best WR core in the NFL.



3[79] S Brandon Hardin [Oregon St] B-

The Bears had bigger needs than safety so I understand why people did not love this pick. But the safety position is huge for the Cover 2 defense and Major Wright has been injured and inconsistent. On top of Major Wright's injuries Conte finished last season on IR and we do not have anyone with the speed and range to truly back up at those positions. Hardin is a physical freak with the size [6'3" 220lbs] and hitting ability to back up Wright and the speed [4.45] and coverage ability [played CB in college]. Hardin provides a physical freak that can play a number of positions. It would not shock me if he is starting by week 6 at SS.



4[111] TE Evan Rodriguez [Temple] B

TE was not a huge need heading into the draft and Rodriguez does not have the size to be a Gronkowski type of player. All of those criticisms are fair, but what Rodriguez does provide is a weapon and a player that the Bears simply do not have. He is a new type of weapon in the Aaron Hernandez mold and forces teams to prepare for a different type of player. Rodriquez is to big for a CB to cover and he is to fast for a safety to cover. This pick was off the radar, but it makes the Bears more dynamic and dangerous on offense.



6[184] CB Isiaih Frey [Nevade] B


I thought the Bears needed to add CB depth and a developmental player and while I do not know a lot about Frey he seems to have the size and physical ability to one day start in the Cover 2 defense. Frey is a solid player that has played in a zone coverage system and is worth development.



7[220] CB Greg McCoy [Texas Christian] C

As much as I like the Frey pick, I do not see how the Bears are going to keep around 2 developmental CBs. McCoy has physical ability and has shown a lot on special teams, but the Bears have a ton of pure special teams players and could have used a developmental player at another spot. In the end a 7th round pick probably does not have a huge impact on the team, unless they play OL [Webb, Louis]. I do not love the pick of a 2nd deep developmental CB.



Overall I would grade this draft at a B+/A- and I think that Emery was sneaky good in putting this class together.

All I know is this is the most talented Bears roster in my lifetime.

robert pancake gallery 04-29-2012 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armageddon (Post 2978357)
Rams easily get an A

RD 1 - DT Brockers - Run stuffing beast

RD 2 - WR Quick - Rams coaches love him and call him the best WR prospect in draft

RD 2 - CB Jenkins - steal of draft. Best CB in the draft

RD 2 - RB Pead - Rams finally have a change of pace RB to go with SJax

RD 3 - CB Johnson. Big, athletic CB who had 1st round grade by many

RD 4 - WR Givens - Another huge steal. Vertical receiver. Best route runner in draft.

6 studs

agreed, i would easily compare brockers to john henderson, quick to torry holt, janoris jenkins to nnamdi asomugha, pead to brandon jacobs, johnson to champ bailey, and givens to randy moss.

SuperPacker 04-29-2012 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robert pancake gallery (Post 2978395)
agreed, i would easily compare brockers to john henderson, quick to torry holt, janoris jenkins to nnamdi asomugha, pead to brandon jacobs, johnson to champ bailey, and givens to randy moss.

:coolface:

I realised when you compared Pead to Brandon Jacobs.

MasterShake 04-29-2012 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by armageddon (Post 2978357)
Rams easily get an A

RD 1 - DT Brockers - Run stuffing beast

RD 2 - WR Quick - Rams coaches love him and call him the best WR prospect in draft

RD 2 - CB Jenkins - steal of draft. Best CB in the draft

RD 2 - RB Pead - Rams finally have a change of pace RB to go with SJax

RD 3 - CB Johnson. Big, athletic CB who had 1st round grade by many

RD 4 - WR Givens - Another huge steal. Vertical receiver. Best route runner in draft.

6 studs

Suuuuuuuuuper Booooooooowl!!!!!!

vidae 04-29-2012 04:51 PM

Kansas City Chiefs
2012 Draft Grades

Round 1, pick 11: Dontari Poe - NT - Memphis (A+)

Poe was the #2 prospect in the draft on my board for the Chiefs. Massive upside at a position of huge need plus RAC will hopefully equal success. The future of this draft will largely depend on how he plays, but I couldn't have been happier with the pick.

Round 2, pick 44: Jeff Allen - OG - Illinois (A)

Guard was arguably one of our biggest needs and Jeff Allen will be brought along like Jon Asamoah and Rodney Hudson: sitting a year before taking over for Ryan Lilja next year.

Round 3, pick 74: Donald Stephenson - OT - Oklahoma (B+)

At first glance this might have seemed a luxury pick to many, but we only have three OTs on the roster. A swing tackle and perhaps an eventual replacement for Branden Albert was essential in this draft and we wasted no time on addressing it. He is a local KC kid who the Chiefs were very high on and they were afraid he wouldn't be there later. OT/OL depth was a huge concern for this team, so this fits in perfectly.

Round 4, pick 107: Devon Wylie - WR - Fresno State (B)

WR depth was almost as important as OL depth for this team as we didn't re-sign any of our FA WRs. We needed a slot WR and hopefully he can stay healthy and become what Dexter McCluster should have been when we wasted a high second on him.

Round 5, pick 146: DeQuan Menzie - S - Alabama (B+)

One of my favorite picks of this draft, I joked that Pioli still needed to draft his SEC DB, and he got it here in Menzie. A CB in college, he'll convert to S with the Chiefs and play as our third S. RAC ran three S sets more often than not last year, and is even more essential now that Peyton Manning is in the division.

Round 6, pick 182: Cyrus Gray - RB - Texas A&M (A)

I was a big fan of Cyrus last year and RB depth is a need. If Peyton Hillis doesn't work out we have the future change of pace back to pair with Jamaal Charles already on the roster. It doesn't hurt to add some quality depth at a position where both Charles and Hillis missed significant time last year either.

Round 7, pick 218: Jerome Long - DT - SDSU (D)

Projects as a 5tech for the Chiefs but I don't know much about him and I have to think that it's an uphill battle to make the roster at that position. Who knows, but I would have preferred to go any number of different directions with this pick.

Round 7, pick 238: Junior Hemingway - WR - Michigan (C)

I'm not going to scoff at WR depth here either. Getting younger at that position was important as most of the WRs on the depth chart were old as balls and not retained.

Overall: solid B as it stands right now. This draft wasn't sexy but it will be effective for what we needed. We didn't address QB (Ryan Tannehill was my #1 for the Chiefs) but after him there was no real reason to as no one in round two or later would have beat out Cassel anyway.

Pat Sims 90 04-29-2012 04:52 PM

Bengals

1a. CB Dre Kirkpatrick
1b. OG Kevin Zeitler
2. DT Devon Still
3a. WR Mohamad Sanu
3b. DT Brandon Thompson
4. TE Orson Charles
5a. CB Shaun Prater
5b. WR Marvin Jones
5c. S George Iloka
6. RB Dan "Boom" Herron

It is hard not to give the Bengals a A at this point got a lot of great value picks in the later rounds and filled some needs on top of that.

ramsrule 04-29-2012 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robert pancake gallery (Post 2978395)
agreed, i would easily compare brockers to john henderson, quick to torry holt, janoris jenkins to nnamdi asomugha, pead to brandon jacobs, johnson to champ bailey, and givens to randy moss.

Big Rams fan here.....not too sure about the Brockers pick. Would have like to have seen them pick the guard from Stanford that went to the Steelers. Brockers sounds more like a diamond in the rough, and a two win team needs people who can contribute right away. Normally I do not pay much attention to these types of stats (Penn State DL and Miami QB's) but how many LSU players become better than average players in the NFL? Bowe is a stud, Peterson has potential, and Addai had a few good years. I am going to do more research on this topic, but to me, at first glance, LSU players seem to underachieve in the NFL.

I like the pick of Quick. Living in NC and having friends who graduated from there, I follow App State and I think he is going to be a good one. Jenkins is a stud. Just hope he does not end up like Phillips (being a Miami Hurricane fan, I began following him since his days as a high school standout at "the Muck." Was disappointed when he chose Gators). Was hoping they would take Miller or the rb from Oregon, but Pead seems like a good pick. They needed a kicker since they released Brown and got the top rated one in the draft. Would have like to have seen them address their OL and LB needs earlier. Overall, I give them a B-. Do not know much about Givens, but I hear he has good speed and is a good route runner. Those combinations make for a successful wr IMHO.

wicket 04-29-2012 05:06 PM

Obviously the Saints wont have much impact players out of this draft with no first or second rounder.

Rd3: Akiem Hicks
Value: C
Need: B
Fit:C

Akiem Hicks is a huge project with enormous upside. Admittedly id prefer to see him as a 34 end, not as a DT. Its the type of pick that you can only judge a few years from now as I admittedly am struggling to see how good or decent this kid can become. Overall grade C+

Rd4: Nick Toon
Value: B+
Need: B+
Fit: C
Even though I do like this pick best it also somewhat baffles me as Toon is exactly the type of receiver that does not have that much value in the Saints offense. The saints are great employers of diverse types of receivers which why it puzzles me why the saints would use a draftpick on a rather blend possession receiver. Overall Grade: B-

Rd5: Corey White
Value: F
Need: B- (kinda depends on where he ends up)
Fit: B-
It felt a bit early for a kid that would have probably gone undrafted if the saints didnt pick him. A long term project that needs to learn a new position and adjust from D2 football to pro football. I really struggle to see how this kid will get a rosterspot. Overall Grade D+

Rd6: Andrew Tiller
Value: D
Need: B
Fit: B
I guess the FO saw a classic mauler in Tiller that would keep the pocket clear for Brees but for someone you draft for strength only I fail to see why Tillman would get drafted by anyone. I guess i just cant see what the FO sees in TIllman to make him draftable. Overall Grade: C-

Rd7: Marcel Jones
Value: C
Need: D
Fit: B
Just your average project tackle. Probably not the greatest upside but it was worth a 7th round flyer i guess. Still there were more intriguing prospects available but this pick did at least make a bit of sense.
Overall Grade: C

To wrap it up:
The saints failed to get anything resembling good value with any of their picks nor did the big needs get filled which makes me wonder what the objectives where. It almost seems that the staff got overenarmoured by their own ability to find small school gems. After the last 4ish years I dont get why the saints FO has a good draftday reputation, they find some late round gems every now and then but the teams quality is mainly build through elite free agency, not elite drafting iyam. This draft is no different as the FO seemed like it tried to be smarter than everyone i guess. Overall grade: C

ramsrule 04-29-2012 05:07 PM

Watch out for Herron. Also, look for Charles to become a reliable weapon behind Grisham.

1a. CB Dre Kirkpatrick
1b. OG Kevin Zeitler
2. DT Devon Still
3a. WR Mohamad Sanu
3b. DT Brandon Thompson
4. TE Orson Charles
5a. CB Shaun Prater
5b. WR Marvin Jones
5c. S George Iloka
6. RB Dan "Boom" Herron

It is hard not to give the Bengals a A at this point got a lot of great value picks in the later rounds and filled some needs on top of that.[/quote]

ramsrule 04-29-2012 05:09 PM

Poe, IMHO, may be a bit overrated. However, Allen should be a starter for the next ten years.

Round 1, pick 11: Dontari Poe - NT - Memphis (A+)

Poe was the #2 prospect in the draft on my board for the Chiefs. Massive upside at a position of huge need plus RAC will hopefully equal success. The future of this draft will largely depend on how he plays, but I couldn't have been happier with the pick.

Round 2, pick 44: Jeff Allen - OG - Illinois (A)

Guard was arguably one of our biggest needs and Jeff Allen will be brought along like Jon Asamoah and Rodney Hudson: sitting a year before taking over for Ryan Lilja next year.

Round 3, pick 74: Donald Stephenson - OT - Oklahoma (B+)

At first glance this might have seemed a luxury pick to many, but we only have three OTs on the roster. A swing tackle and perhaps an eventual replacement for Branden Albert was essential in this draft and we wasted no time on addressing it. He is a local KC kid who the Chiefs were very high on and they were afraid he wouldn't be there later. OT/OL depth was a huge concern for this team, so this fits in perfectly.

Round 4, pick 107: Devon Wylie - WR - Fresno State (B)

WR depth was almost as important as OL depth for this team as we didn't re-sign any of our FA WRs. We needed a slot WR and hopefully he can stay healthy and become what Dexter McCluster should have been when we wasted a high second on him.

Round 5, pick 146: DeQuan Menzie - S - Alabama (B+)

One of my favorite picks of this draft, I joked that Pioli still needed to draft his SEC DB, and he got it here in Menzie. A CB in college, he'll convert to S with the Chiefs and play as our third S. RAC ran three S sets more often than not last year, and is even more essential now that Peyton Manning is in the division.

Round 6, pick 182: Cyrus Gray - RB - Texas A&M (A)

I was a big fan of Cyrus last year and RB depth is a need. If Peyton Hillis doesn't work out we have the future change of pace back to pair with Jamaal Charles already on the roster. It doesn't hurt to add some quality depth at a position where both Charles and Hillis missed significant time last year either.

Round 7, pick 218: Jerome Long - DT - SDSU (D)

Projects as a 5tech for the Chiefs but I don't know much about him and I have to think that it's an uphill battle to make the roster at that position. Who knows, but I would have preferred to go any number of different directions with this pick.

Round 7, pick 238: Junior Hemingway - WR - Michigan (C)

I'm not going to scoff at WR depth here either. Getting younger at that position was important as most of the WRs on the depth chart were old as balls and not retained.

Overall: solid B as it stands right now. This draft wasn't sexy but it will be effective for what we needed. We didn't address QB (Ryan Tannehill was my #1 for the Chiefs) but after him there was no real reason to as no one in round two or later would have beat out Cassel anyway.[/quote]

robert pancake gallery 04-29-2012 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae (Post 2978416)
Kansas City Chiefs
2012 Draft Grades

Round 1, pick 11: Dontari Poe - NT - Memphis (A+)

Poe was the #2 prospect in the draft on my board for the Chiefs. Massive upside at a position of huge need plus RAC will hopefully equal success. The future of this draft will largely depend on how he plays, but I couldn't have been happier with the pick.

Round 2, pick 44: Jeff Allen - OG - Illinois (A)

Guard was arguably one of our biggest needs and Jeff Allen will be brought along like Jon Asamoah and Rodney Hudson: sitting a year before taking over for Ryan Lilja next year.

Round 3, pick 74: Donald Stephenson - OT - Oklahoma (B+)

At first glance this might have seemed a luxury pick to many, but we only have three OTs on the roster. A swing tackle and perhaps an eventual replacement for Branden Albert was essential in this draft and we wasted no time on addressing it. He is a local KC kid who the Chiefs were very high on and they were afraid he wouldn't be there later. OT/OL depth was a huge concern for this team, so this fits in perfectly.

Round 4, pick 107: Devon Wylie - WR - Fresno State (B)

WR depth was almost as important as OL depth for this team as we didn't re-sign any of our FA WRs. We needed a slot WR and hopefully he can stay healthy and become what Dexter McCluster should have been when we wasted a high second on him.

Round 5, pick 146: DeQuan Menzie - S - Alabama (B+)

One of my favorite picks of this draft, I joked that Pioli still needed to draft his SEC DB, and he got it here in Menzie. A CB in college, he'll convert to S with the Chiefs and play as our third S. RAC ran three S sets more often than not last year, and is even more essential now that Peyton Manning is in the division.

Round 6, pick 182: Cyrus Gray - RB - Texas A&M (A)

I was a big fan of Cyrus last year and RB depth is a need. If Peyton Hillis doesn't work out we have the future change of pace back to pair with Jamaal Charles already on the roster. It doesn't hurt to add some quality depth at a position where both Charles and Hillis missed significant time last year either.

Round 7, pick 218: Jerome Long - DT - SDSU (D)

Projects as a 5tech for the Chiefs but I don't know much about him and I have to think that it's an uphill battle to make the roster at that position. Who knows, but I would have preferred to go any number of different directions with this pick.

Round 7, pick 238: Junior Hemingway - WR - Michigan (C)

I'm not going to scoff at WR depth here either. Getting younger at that position was important as most of the WRs on the depth chart were old as balls and not retained.

Overall: solid B as it stands right now. This draft wasn't sexy but it will be effective for what we needed. We didn't address QB (Ryan Tannehill was my #1 for the Chiefs) but after him there was no real reason to as no one in round two or later would have beat out Cassel anyway.

five of your first six picks were B+ or higher but your final grade was a B?

Duffman57 04-29-2012 05:18 PM

I think for the first time in a while the Chargers did REALLY well in this draft.

Melvin Ingram OLB, SC

I dislike this pick more than most, but he's a really tough guy, who just plays hard and is around the ball. Brings some intensity and leadership to our D. He's not gonna be a great edge rusher ever IMO, but he's a guy who we can really move around and confuse Offenses with. He's never going to be a #1 pass rusher, nor should he be. He's a leader on this team by year 2/3 once Spikes is gone.

Grade: B

Kendall Reyes DE/DT, UCONN

This is a pick that was really a need without being too pressing of a need. We have Castillo/Vaughn Martin and Liuget starting, but really behind those three, our DE's are just terrible, and none of them are really good run stuffers. Thats exactly what Reyes brings to the table. We didn't really have a big pressing need other than SS where there were no worth while prospects on board, so we chose one of the BPA that was safe (Worthy and Still were risky with Motivation/Injury issues respectively). He's got loads of upside, and is known as a really quiet guy but also a really hard worker.

Grade: A-

Brandon Taylor SS, LSU

I like this pick more than most. He's a big physical presence at SS, who loves to hit. He's another physical mentality guy, who was the leader of that LSU D, consistently setting guys up and putting them in place pre snap. Perfect compliment to Weddle, and another smart guy, who is solid in coverage.

Grade: A- (only because we gave up our 6th rounder to get him)

LaDarius Green TE, University of Louisiana Lafayette

This is a great pick. My favorite thing about this draft is that we sat back and let talent fall to us for the most part, but weren't afraid to go up and get the guy we wanted for a low cost. But Green is the PERFECT guy to come in and learn behind Gates, while being somewhat of a H Back/Slot Receiver/TE who we're gonna move around a LOT to create mismatches, similar to how Hernandez is used as a 2nd TE, and how we've used McMichael for a few years (Norv among others used the TE's like the patriots did last year, years before the pats, he just didn't have 2 top TE's, so quit saying that the patriots created it...). He'll get some PT early, and then once he's ready(and bulked up)/Gates is gone, he'll take over full duty.

Grade: A

Johnnie Troutman OG, Penn State

He's solid but nothing more. If you watch the game vs. Bama, he really played incredibly well, but i haven't seen much of him other than that. This was the only pick i wasn't a big fan of with our draft, and even then, its not the worst pick we could've made. With Brandon Washington still on the board here, i'm not a big fan of this pick, but there's gotta be something up with Washington.

Grade: C

David Molk C, Michigan

LOVE this pick, he's not a guy who is flashy in any means, but he consistently gets the job done. He's a guy who's a perfect replacement for Hardwick eventually, but he's just a scrappy, REALLY smart player, who i think should've gotten picked in the 4th round, challenging Ben Jones for the 2nd C. He will be a backup for a year or two at least, but will be great once he's able to start. Exceptional value here.

Grade: A+

Edwin Baker RB, Michigan State

Once again, sat back, and just took the value that fell to us. He's nothing flashy, but a hard runner who is quick and somewhat fast. I think he could've gone up to the 4th or 5th round, but he's a solid backup/3rd RB, who will compete with UDFA's (Adonis Thomas/Michael Hayes) and Curtis Brinkley for a spot on the roster. We'll likely sign a FA RB to backup RM with guys like Jackie Battle, Addai, Hightower among others.

Grade: B+

Overall Draft Grade: B+/A-

We filled all our needs, and sat back and let value fall to use and scooped it up. When you have a draft where 5 out of 7 of the players are going to come in right away and can make an impact on the team, is no doubt a great draft.


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