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LSU players in the NFL
In an earlier thread, as a Rams fan, I expressed concern with the Rams selection of Brockers because LSU players seem to underwhelm in the NFL. Below is a list of LSU players who are on, or will be on, NFL rosters.
Joe Barksdale Oakland Raiders Offensive Tackle Dwayne Bowe Kansas City Chiefs Wide Receiver Michael Brockers St. Louis Rams Defensive Tackle Ron Brooks Buffalo Bills Cornerback Morris Claiborne Dallas Cowboys Defensive Back Ryan Clark Pittsburgh Steelers Safety Jacob Cutrera Tampa Bay Buccaneers Linebacker Travis Daniels Kansas City Chiefs Cornerback Glenn Dorsey Kansas City Chiefs Defensive End Early Doucet Arizona Cardinals Wide Receiver Matt Flynn Seattle Seahawks Quarterback Chris Hawkins Tennessee Titans Cornerback Devery Henderson New Orleans Saints Wide Receiver Jacob Hester San Diego Chargers Fullback Trindon Holliday Houston Texans Wide Receiver Tyson Jackson Kansas City Chiefs Defensive End Bradie James Houston Texans Linebacker Ricky Jean Francois San Francisco 49ers Defensive Tackle Quinn Johnson Tennessee Titans Fullback Donnie Jones Houston Texans Punter Chad Jones New York Giants Safety Brandon LaFell Carolina Panthers Wide Receiver LaRon Landry New York Jets Safety Lazarius Levingston Seattle Seahawks Defensive End Nate Livings Dallas Cowboys Offensive Guard Todd McClure Atlanta Falcons Center Danny McCray Dallas Cowboys Safety Richard Murphy Jacksonville Jaguars Running Back Drake Nevis Indianapolis Colts Defensive Tackle Stephen Peterman Detroit Lions Offensive Guard Patrick Peterson Arizona Cardinals Cornerback Rueben Randle New York Giants Wide Receiver Stevan Ridley New England Patriots Running Back Perry Riley Washington Redskins Linebacker Kelvin Sheppard Buffalo Bills Linebacker Marcus Spears Dallas Cowboys Defensive End Craig Steltz Chicago Bears Safety Curtis Taylor Oakland Raiders Safety Brandon Taylor San Diego Chargers Tight End Terrence Toliver Detroit Lions Wide Receiver Corey Webster New York Giants Cornerback Andrew Whitworth Cincinnati Bengals Offensive Tackle Kyle Williams Buffalo Bills Nose Tackle Keiland Williams Detroit Lions Running Back Al Woods Pittsburgh Steelers Defensive Tackle McClure has been a good center for the Falcons; Peterson has loads of potential as he is already one of the best return men; Landry has been solid, but only 4 career ints????; Henderson has been a consistent deep threat for the Saints; while Bowe is a stud. But overall, LSU players have not exactly set the NFL on fire. I think the only player who receives consistent pro bowl recognition is Bowe, while Peterson may warrant that type of attention sooner rather than later. Now let's take a school such as Boston College, who has spent the last few years near the bottom of the weak ACC. Alex Albright Dallas Cowboys Linebacker Ron Brace New England Patriots Defensive End Anthony Castonzo Indianapolis Colts Offensive Tackle Gosder Cherilus Detroit Lions Offensive Tackle Jo-Lonn Dunbar St. Louis Rams Linebacker Rob Francois Green Bay Packers Linebacker Antonio Garay San Diego Chargers Defensive Tackle Matt Hasselbeck Tennessee Titans Quarterback Mark Herzlich New York Giants Linebacker Mathias Kiwanuka New York Giants Linebacker Dan Koppen New England Patriots Center Luke Kuechly Carolina Panthers Linebacker James McCluskey Oakland Raiders Fullback Ryan Purvis New York Giants Tight End B.J. Raji Green Bay Packers Nose Tackle Matt Ryan Atlanta Falcons Quarterback Damik Scafe San Diego Chargers Defensive End Chris Snee New York Giants Offensive Guard Matt Tennant New Orleans Saints Center Jeremy Trueblood Tampa Bay Buccaneers Offensive Tackle Hasselbeck has been a pro-bowler and played in a Superbowl, Ryan is arguably a top ten qb, Snee, Raji, Trueblood, and Koppen have been very good players. I am probably overanalyzing the Rams pick, but I am a little nervous about this selection. |
I don't think it's just LSU, it's alot of big college programs. USC, Texas, Florida, they seem to produce lots of busts. Talented teams mask alot of individual flaws that prospects might have. For example Brockers, it didn't seem to matter if he didn't push the pocket or have any pass rush moves because he's playing next to two stud pass-rushers. I'm not saying he's going to bust although he wasn't my favorite prospect but at the end of the day his weakness doesn't hurt LSU as much as it would a team that didn't also have Mingo and Montgomery, therefore making everyone look better. It's not that teams should just avoid these guys from powerhouse programs because that would be stupid, but I think you need to take a harder look at their flaws than you would a kid from a smaller school.
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I don't think it looks that out of the ordinary. And a perfectly reasonable explanation is that high-profile schools may be more complete teams in the first place, and have great coaching to develop their players, and are more heavily scouted by NFL teams, and thus have more mediocre-to-decent roster-filler types that make the NFL, where similar guys from smaller schools may not have the kind of experience, development, coaching, and exposure that those from the big schools do.
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Then you look at a program like Miami. Spencer Adkins Atlanta Falcons Linebacker Baraka Atkins Dallas Cowboys Linebacker Allen Bailey Kansas City Chiefs Defensive End Jon Beason Carolina Panthers Linebacker Travis Benjamin Cleveland Browns Wide Receiver Damien Berry Baltimore Ravens Running Back Matt Bosher Atlanta Falcons Place kicker Rashad Butler Houston Texans Offensive Tackle Calais Campbell Arizona Cardinals Defensive End Graig Cooper Philadelphia Eagles Running Back Antonio Dixon Philadelphia Eagles Defensive Tackle Dedrick Epps New York Jets Tight End Jason Fox Detroit Lions Offensive Tackle Orlando Franklin Denver Broncos Offensive Tackle Tavares Gooden San Francisco 49ers Linebacker Richard Gordon Oakland Raiders Tight End Frank Gore San Francisco 49ers Running Back Jimmy Graham New Orleans Saints Tight End Leonard Hankerson Washington Redskins Wide Receiver Brandon Harris Houston Texans Cornerback Dwayne Hendricks New York Giants Defensive Tackle Devin Hester Chicago Bears Wide Receiver Andre Johnson Houston Texans Wide Receiver Ray Lewis Baltimore Ravens Linebacker Colin McCarthy Tennessee Titans Linebacker Willis McGahee Denver Broncos Running Back Bryant McKinnie Baltimore Ravens Offensive Tackle Brandon Meriweather Washington Redskins Safety Lamar Miller Miami Dolphins Running Back Santana Moss Washington Redskins Wide Receiver Chris Myers Houston Texans Center Cory Nelms San Francisco 49ers Cornerback Greg Olsen Carolina Panthers Tight End Roscoe Parrish San Diego Chargers Wide Receiver Kenny Phillips New York Giants Safety Ed Reed Baltimore Ravens Safety Antrel Rolle New York Giants Safety Darryl Sharpton Houston Texans Linebacker Sam Shields Green Bay Packers Cornerback Sean Spence Pittsburgh Steelers Linebacker Tommy Streeter Baltimore Ravens Wide Receiver DeMarcus Van Dyke Oakland Raiders Cornerback Olivier Vernon Miami Dolphins Defensive End Jonathan Vilma New Orleans Saints Linebacker Brandon Washington Philadelphia Eagles Offensive Guard Reggie Wayne Indianapolis Colts Wide Receiver Vince Wilfork New England Patriots Nose Tackle D.J. Williams Denver Broncos Linebacker Kellen Winslow Tampa Bay Buccaneers Tight End Eric Winston Kansas City Chiefs Offensive Tackle Two future Hall of Famers (Lewis and Reed), another who is well on his way (Andre Johnson), one who has Hall of Fame numbers (Reggie Wayne), one of the best running backs in the league (Frank Gore), and Pro Bowlers at one time or another such as McKinnie, Vilma, Graham, Wilfork, Rolle, Myers, Moss, Hester, and McGahee - as well as a plethora of others who are very good NFL players. |
I don't want to get too much into it, but LSU wasn't a powerhouse program in the 90s, and Miami was in the 90s and early 00s.
LSU has, really in just the past decade or so became a national powerhouse. Give LSU some time and I'm sure there list will look almost as impressive as Miami. Miami was producing stars at nearly every level (although it's amazing QB and O-Line never seemed to develop much) while LSU really just seems to produce DT's, DB's, a few WR's and some odd ones here and there/ |
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Even as of late, Miami has produced good players. Olsen, Graham, Beason, Winston, Phillips, Shields, Franklin, and Campbell. LSU has not really produced too many DTs, though they have had a few good db's (Peterson and Landry being two of the better ones). You may be onto something as far as LSU lacking in the pro department due to their lack of past success....look at Alabama. They are not exactly supplying the NFL with Pro Bowlers. Just five or six years ago, they were dismal. Mark Anderson Buffalo Bills Defensive End Javier Arenas Kansas City Chiefs Cornerback Mark Barron Tampa Bay Buccaneers Defensive Back Antoine Caldwell Houston Texans Offensive Guard James Carpenter Seattle Seahawks Offensive Tackle Josh Chapman Indianapolis Colts Defensive Tackle Terrence Cody Baltimore Ravens Defensive Tackle Marcell Dareus Buffalo Bills Defensive Tackle Brandon Deaderick New England Patriots Defensive End Roman Harper New Orleans Saints Safety Dont'a Hightower New England Patriots Linebacker Mark Ingram New Orleans Saints Running Back Kareem Jackson Houston Texans Cornerback Jarret Johnson San Diego Chargers Linebacker Rashad Johnson Arizona Cardinals Safety Mike Johnson Atlanta Falcons Offensive Guard Marquis Johnson St. Louis Rams Cornerback Julio Jones Atlanta Falcons Wide Receiver Dre Kirkpatrick Cincinnati Bengals Defensive Back Evan Mathis Philadelphia Eagles Offensive Guard Rolando McClain Oakland Raiders Linebacker Le'Ron McClain San Diego Chargers Running Back Greg McElroy New York Jets Quarterback DeQuan Menzie Kansas City Chiefs Cornerback Charlie Peprah Green Bay Packers Safety Trent Richardson Cleveland Browns Running Back Ramzee Robinson Denver Broncos Cornerback DeMeco Ryans Philadelphia Eagles Linebacker Brad Smelley Cleveland Browns Running Back Andre Smith Cincinnati Bengals Offensive Tackle Courtney Upshaw Baltimore Ravens Linebacker Chavis Williams Baltimore Ravens Linebacker John Parker Wilson Atlanta Falcons Quarterback |
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And you don't think 5+ DT's in the past 10 years if good? |
Jarrett Lee is also technically "in" the NFL, but he wont last long, he's on the Chargers now though.
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it's true. I hate this program actually, and am still fairly bitter about buster davis and jacob hester being not just awful, but really pretty pathetic to the extent that you never thought they were even trying hard. Hester actually is still on the Bolt roster despite being a fullback that takes away from the running game's potency, although will be a special teamer/backup to McClain this year.
We also have Scafe and Lee in camp, AJ Smith loves LSU like i loved that girl in high school who did meth, until she literally got a facial scar from a car crash. Man that was insaaaane. waht an apt metaphor. |
Miami has obviously produced some great pros (or at least they used to) but half the players on that Miami list absolutely suck, or are barely rosterable players.
It's hard to give Miami credit for "producing" solid pros lately because even though some of them turned out to be solid pros, they it's only because of the coaching they got once in the NFL. They were raw as a turnip leaving Miami and the program did absolutely nothing to develope these players. A lot of the best pros that Bama produced over the years are recently retired like Chris Samuels, Shaun Alexander, etc... or were tragically killed in car accidents like Derrick Thomas was. Cornelius Bennett, George Teague, Kevin Turner, Justin Smiley, Deshea Townsend, Sam Shade, etc. all ranged from outstanding to solid pros. Same for LSU with guys like Kevin Mawae, Alan Faneca, Kevin Faulk, Booger McFarland, etc. Alabama has produced some of the best pros that the NFL has ever had if you go back a little... guys like Ozzie Newsome, John Hannah, Dwight Stephenson, Joe Namath, Bart Starr, Kenny Stabler, etc. The more draft picks a program produces, the higher the bust percentage increases. Likewise, so does the odds of produces average pros. As great as Miami was in the 90's and 2000's, look at all the 1st round busts... Yatil Green, Mike Rumph, Phillip Buchanon, Jerome McDougle, Damione Lewis, William Joseph, etc. Dan Morgan was a nice player but made of glass. Remember Randall Hill? You have to produce a lot of average pros in order to produce a lot of great ones. |
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Go back a bit further and you'll find Warren Sapp, Michael Irvin, Cortez Kennedy, Russell Maryland, the Blades brothers and Jerome Brown (RIP). Even long before the Hurricanes became a powerhouse in the 80s they still produced two HOF Raiders legends in Ted Hendricks and Jim Otto. |
I hate the LSU program for this reason. There is just a lack of good-great players that come out of it. Someone mentioned that it is a problem with many of the bigger schools, and that may be true. A program like LSU gets a lot of hype because they have been so good the past decade, and I feel that causes people to "fall in love" with certain players even if they aren't that good.
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Interesting when you compare those results with Iowa, a program whose prospects receive much less hype. Also note that Dallas Clark, Bob Sanders and Eric Steinbach are currently not on this list:
Pat Angerer Indianapolis Colts Linebacker Jonathan Babineaux Atlanta Falcons Defensive Tackle Christian Ballard Minnesota Vikings Defensive Tackle Jordan Bernstine Washington Redskins Cornerback Rob Bruggeman Kansas City Chiefs Center Bryan Bulaga Green Bay Packers Offensive Tackle Scott Chandler Buffalo Bills Tight End Adrian Clayborn Tampa Bay Buccaneers Defensive End Sean Considine Baltimore Ravens Safety Mike Daniels Green Bay Packers Defensive End Ryan Donahue Detroit Lions Punter A.J. Edds Indianapolis Colts Linebacker Bradley Fletcher St. Louis Rams Cornerback Robert Gallery New England Patriots Offensive Guard Adam Gettis Washington Redskins Offensive Guard Charles Godfrey Carolina Panthers Safety Shonn Greene New York Jets Running Back Chad Greenway Minnesota Vikings Linebacker Jeremiha Hunter New Orleans Saints Linebacker Nate Kaeding San Diego Chargers Place kicker Aaron Kampman Jacksonville Jaguars Defensive End Mitch King New Orleans Saints Defensive Tackle Karl Klug Tennessee Titans Defensive Tackle Matt Kroul New York Jets Defensive Tackle Bryan Mattison St. Louis Rams Offensive Tackle Marvin McNutt Philadelphia Eagles Wide Receiver Tony Moeaki Kansas City Chiefs Tight End Brandon Myers Oakland Raiders Tight End Seth Olsen Indianapolis Colts Offensive Guard Shaun Prater Cincinnati Bengals Cornerback Riley Reiff Detroit Lions Offensive Tackle Allen Reisner Minnesota Vikings Tight End Tyler Sash New York Giants Safety Amari Spievey Detroit Lions Safety Ricky Stanzi Kansas City Chiefs Quarterback Jeff Tarpinian New England Patriots Linebacker Julian Vandervelde Philadelphia Eagles Offensive Guard Marshal Yanda Baltimore Ravens Offensive Guard |
I'm going to throw out a 'correlation does not imply causation' worry here. There are only so many productive NFL players at a given time. Right now, LSU hasn't produced as many as they could have. I think guys like Brockers, Claiborne and Randle will help change this trend.
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Corey Webster is from LSU and he's a boss. Top 5 CB in the league.
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It's sad when the most consistent WR to come out of LSU is Devery Henderson.
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^^ Dwayne Bowe.
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Eddie Kennison was pretty good.
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Dwayne Bowe
Ryan Clark Devery Henderson Bradie James LaRon Landry Patrick Peterson Kyle Williams Corey Webster Andrew Whitworth Todd McClure Just glancing over the list those guys right there were/are pretty darn good players in the NFL - most of them pro bowl or at least pro bowl quality. There are a bunch of other guys on that list who are established starters in the league even if they aren't pro bowlers or stars. I'm pretty positive Morris Claiborne is going to be really good as well. Sure LSU has had a fair share of high pick busts, but so does every other school who produces that large of a volume of top picks (look at USC, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Georgia, Florida State, etc.) |
It's been covered pretty well but when you're on a top team you get more exposure, hence guys at LSU that would've been 2nd-3rd rounders elsewhere going in round 1, same for 4th-5th rounders getting pushed up, etc
Boston College is in the dumpster now but they were a very consistent, if unexciting, 8-9 win team for a very long time (save the one year with Matt Ryan where they peaked at #2 overall). They get no exposure being in a pro sports town with a small fanbase |
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