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onejayhawk 05-05-2012 02:25 AM

Offense 2012
How good are they?

Last season Footballoutsiders rated us #26 weighte, #29 unweighted. The change indicates improvement. Given the loss of Moeaki, JC and later Cassel, it is not surprising that this is down from #13 and #16 in 2010. Not coincidentally, the OL dropped from #5 to #29.

This year everyone starts healthy, and we have 2nd and 3rd round picks to bolster OG and OT.

What say you?


vidae 05-05-2012 04:14 AM

With a healthy Charles the offensive numbers will go up, that much is certain. The big question is can Cassel actually take us anywhere. I don't think we're winning anything significant with him at the helm but we could do a lot worse.

T-RICH49 05-05-2012 04:40 AM

the only thing that can stop our offense from being real good...is what is still our biggest weakness and that's QB

onejayhawk 05-05-2012 02:39 PM

We had a great deal of success in 2010 with an offense that required outstanding ball handling and play fakes by the QB, but not a lot of reads and deep drops. With Baldwin and Wiley, we are set to do it all over again.


Matthew Jones 05-12-2012 02:46 AM

I'm a pretty big fan of Brian Daboll (him being a jerk aside.) His gameplan the day Cleveland pummeled New England (using Peyton Hillis, no less) was one of the best I can remember in some time. Before Josh McDaniels came along Daboll was the frontrunner for New England's offensive coordinator job; Daboll actually pushed to hire McDaniels and got pissed off when he was passed over for the OC job. Afterwards he started to act out (putting his feet on tables during meetings, etc.) He coordinates a tough offense though, and does some interesting things as well (I remember the Browns were trapped on a fourth and one, came out in a goal line look, then motioned four receivers out wide and did the sneak anyways.)

nepg 05-12-2012 01:05 PM

I expect a slightly slow start while Daboll figures his guys out, but then I expect this offense to be able to hang with any other team in the NFL.

They have 2 very proven WRs, 1 that has shown flashes of amazing potential, and a potentially very good slot guy as their 4th receiver. They have 2 very good receiving TEs and all 3 of their TEs can block. They have 4 RBs that do different things very effectively. Charles and Hills might both be the very best at their respective styles of running in the NFL. The OL should be shored up and solid-to-very good (just need one more depth player here - pref a C). And Matt Cassel can get it done with time and options. He really hasn't had both since he's been in the league. This is his chance to step up big.

And the biggest thing with this team is although it seems like they've completely overhauled their offense, they've really only added one player to the starting 11 (Eric Winston - unless Jeff Allen beats out Lilja). The continuity is going to be a huge boon and will help accelerate the offensive development.

vidae 05-12-2012 04:52 PM

Nothing bad ever happens with the Chiefs according to nepg. He's crapping out a rainbow every time he posts.

Raiderz4Life 05-12-2012 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by vidae (Post 2996328)
Nothing bad ever happens with the Chiefs according to nepg. He's crapping out a rainbow every time he posts.

That's because you're not a true chiefs fan.

I believe in King of the Cassel!!!

nepg 05-12-2012 05:37 PM


Originally Posted by vidae (Post 2996328)
Nothing bad ever happens with the Chiefs according to nepg. He's crapping out a rainbow every time he posts.

What's not true about my post? Their offense is sick. They can do absolutely anything you can think of to a defense. It's up to Cassel and I see him getting it done.


Being commanded by a competent OC with the options they have on the sideline is absolutely sick.

They have the ability to swap Breaston with Boss (and vice versa) to have a big set without losing passing game potential. They can run 3 TEs with Bannon and Hillis to get first downs on short yardage at will. They can absolutely dominate the red zone with Baldwin, Bowe, Moeaki, and Boss. They can spread it out with 4 WRs without worrying too much about protection with Winston and without worrying about the 4th WR being effective at at least drawing coverage. ****, they can have two TEs split out!

After thinking on it, the Chiefs absolutely have the most versatile offense in the NFL. The hardest part for Daboll is figuring out when to use which sub packages and even that almost doesn't matter.

vidae 05-12-2012 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by nepg (Post 2996355)
What's not true about my post? Their offense is sick. They can do absolutely anything you can think of to a defense. It's up to Cassel and I see him getting it done.

No, they can't, because Cassel is their QB. And I don't want another five pages with you regurgitating the same stuff you've already said about how great Cassel is. It isn't true and I'm not taking the bait this time.

If we had a real QB to lead this team I'd agree with your previous post, but since we don't we're more than likely going to be hamstrung by him this year. Our offense will definitely not "hang with any other team in the NFL" or however you put it.

villagewarrior 05-12-2012 07:19 PM

Cassel isn't the greatest, but he did lead the Chiefs to the playoffs 2 years ago. With all the weapons around him and the hole at right tackle filled, the Chiefs should be pretty good offensively, despite Cassel.

vidae 05-12-2012 08:17 PM

Well, I hope you're right, but I'm not holding my breath.

Hermstheman83 05-13-2012 02:09 AM

I know we're stuck with Cassel and I hope we make a deep playoff run with him. But honestly, I think the offense will depend on JC and Hillis to shoulder the load. As long as those two stay healthy. I think we have enough weapons outside to keep the opposing defense honest. I'm a little nervous about Daboll because of his record with the Browns, but optimistic with what he did was a former first round bust in Reggie Bush and Matt Moore in Miami. I guess I don't see much difference between Moore and Cassel(of course I'm pretty biased)

TonyGfortheTD 05-14-2012 03:32 AM

It's really going to depend on if Bowe becomes a lengthy hold out or not. If he does, we're ******.

If Daboll is wise, he starts watching tape of the Weis' offense and takes some trips over to Lawrence.

Brothgar 05-14-2012 09:23 AM

I think that if Charles can stay healthy it can be a good offense. The only real weakness is at the QB position every other player on the offense is at least average IMO. Don't get me wrong the Chiefs aren't this ultra explosive Lions/Saints type of offense but they should put points on the board if they can stay healthy. I think Hillis is going to come out with a chip on his shoulder this year as well.

onejayhawk 05-14-2012 11:03 AM

This is a good offense IMO, but not an outstanding one, much less elite. We have added veterans of Pro Bowl talent at the two weakest positions: RT and RB2. With Jamaal back and Baldwin no longer a rookie, things are looking up.

That being said, exceeding 2010 would be a lot to ask. JC was nothing short of brilliant that season. Bowe was nothing short of brilliant for half of the season. Waters/Weigmann/Lilja exceeded anything we can from our interior line this season.

We should lead the NFL in rushing again, probably with two 1000 yard players. The receivers are the best we have had in decades, so treams cannot sit on the Showe. The defense is not going to leave us constantly pinned against our own goal line. In 2010 we were #13 in the FBO rankings. That is about right.


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