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Mr. Goosemahn 05-06-2012 05:44 PM

Prospect of the Day: Barkevious Mingo, DE, LSU
 
As requested by SuperPacker!

DE Barkevious Mingo, LSU

#49 - 6'5 – 240 lbs. – 21 years old











I think he could also be successful as an OLB in a 3-4. Great size too, almost DeMarcus Ware-like. One of the best pass-rushers in the draft right now, will be interesting to see if he outplays Sam Montgomery, the other LSU DE.


SuperPacker 05-06-2012 05:52 PM

He's so dreamy!

I actually like him a lot more than Sam Montgomery, i don't think he plays with the same aggression. If i had to pick one LSU defensive lineman that benefited most from playing on that defense, i'd say i was Montgomery.

Mingo is just so intense and quick as a pass rusher. It's like he's a little kid who'd just ate a ton of sugar. Thats how he plays.

gator3guy 05-06-2012 06:17 PM

Can't wait to see how long his arms measure in at.

CowboysBeastMode 05-06-2012 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gator3guy (Post 2988036)
Can't wait to see how long his arms measure in at.

i cant wait to see his 10 yd split in the 40

ElectricEye 05-06-2012 07:54 PM

Special, special athlete. Total package as far as what you look for in a pass rusher in today's NFL. Great initial burst off the snap and plenty of speed to close too. Looks like the type of guy who is going to be even better with his hand up. His raw speed will probably allow him to be above average when you ask him to cover and he takes pretty good angles on ball carriers as well. He's even a high motor/high effort guy too. The only real concern I have with him is how strong he'll be at the point of attack. He still needs to put on some weight and get stronger. He still has plenty of room on his frame to do that without losing any speed or explosiveness, but I would have concerns about having him go against bigger tackles right now, especially against the run.

...but yeah, I really think we're looking at an elite prospect. Had he come out this year, he would have ended up in the first round. Assuming he stays healthy/productive this season, we're likely looking at a top ten pick.

SenorGato 05-06-2012 08:45 PM

Needs to add some size and get more snaps, but definitely a potentially top tier talent.

D-Unit 05-07-2012 01:20 PM

Top 15 pick, Top 10 pick or Top 5 pick?

SuperPacker 05-07-2012 01:25 PM

Top 5 pick!

K Train 05-07-2012 01:31 PM

sorry but everything screams aaron maybin to me. Everything. His explosive first step, him being undersized but adding weight, his use of hands and technique, .

i think a lot of people will scoff at that comparison, mingo seems to have a fairly big following but it think the comparison is legit

Maybin:

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Aaron Maybin has wasted no time in becoming one of the most productive pass rushers in college football. Maybin was highly recruited out of high school in Maryland, and came to Penn State in 2006. After redshirting his first year on campus, Maybin played in every game of his redshirt freshman year. He recorded 12 tackles, 4.5 tackles for loss, 1 forced fumble, and broke up a pass in coverage, in 13 games last season. Maybin came out of high school weighing only 220 pounds, but has already added 26 pounds of muscle. He has the frame to add more bulk without losing any speed, which is something NFL scouts will be looking at. Maybin has outstanding speed for an end, and is much stronger than his size would suggest. He does his best work coming off the edge and simply running by offensive tackles. He has the quickest first step of any defensive end in the country. Maybin isn't only a speed rusher though. He has excellent technique, and does a good job of using his hands to keep blockers from cutting his feet out from under him. Maybin took full advantage of his starting role this season, having tallied 49 tackles, 20 tackles for loss, 12 sacks, 3 forced fumbles, and even breaking up 3 passes in coverage. Maybin will be watched closely by NFL GMs because he has the potential to develop into a dominant and disruptive force. Maybin will likely be one of the top defensive end taken this spring, but NFL teams will likely have to wait for him to develop. He can help a team as a third down pass rush specialist in the beginning, but if he reaches his potential he could be a future NFL sacks leader. Aaron Maybin showed up at the NFL Combine with some added weight and it seemed to affect him during workouts. Maybin ran much slower than expected, notching just a 4.89 second 40 yard dash. He did have 22 reps on the bench press and a 38 inch vertical leap, which are solid numbers. Maybin won't get out of round one, but could slide out of the top 15 if he has a bad Pro Day as well. Aaron Maybin has catapulted himself back to the top of the draft by proving his Combine performance was a fluke. Maybin ran a 4.59 40 yard dash, had a 40.5 inch vertical leap, and broad jumped 10 feet 9 inches.
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Aaron Maybin

6'4, 236 pounds | Penn State | Outside linebacker

Strengths: Of all the defensive linemen in this year's draft, Maybin probably has the best first step. He anticipates the snap especially well. Gets up to top speed in a flash. While he's still raw, Maybin is beginning to develop some nice pass rush moves. Plays with a lot of energy. Never quits on a play and is always working hard. Will chase down the ball carrier all over the field. Known as a solid character individual.

Weaknesses: At this point in his development, Maybin is still a one-dimensional pass rusher. Reportedly, Maybin has put on at least 10 pounds since the end of the season, but you have to wonder how much of it is water weight. Penn State Joe Paterno criticized Maybin in the past for not being able to put on weight. A lack of strength allows offensive linemen to control him and drive him right out of a play. Needs to improve fundamental tackling skills. Will sometimes get overaggressive and outrun a play.

Final word: At this point in his career, Maybin is somewhat similar to DeMarcus Ware when he was coming out of Troy. He's an excellent pass rusher, but almost completely unproven against the run. The lanky Maybin has a frame that looks like it can hold 15 additional pounds, but can he add it? That may ultimately determine is draft placement. He'll likely begin his career as a backup or a pass rusher specialist.
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2009/...ort-aaron-mayb

ChiefMojo 05-07-2012 01:51 PM

There are legit concerns with Mingo's size at the moment. His first step, overall athletic ability and play making ability is there. He does have trouble at times getting off blocks against the run but a lot of that has to do with his size/strength against bigger offensive linemen. My hope is he comes into next season at least around 250-pounds. That will go a long ways in shoring up any doubts may have about him physically.

Do most of you see Mingo as more of a OLB in the 3-4 like me?

killxswitch 05-07-2012 02:07 PM

I don't see how he could survive as anything other than an OLB. He seems like a special athlete but needs to get a lot bigger.

Razor 05-07-2012 02:31 PM

When I saw Mingo last year I saw an athlete playing football, not an athletic football player. I think he's overrated, but he does have special tools to work with. He's most definitely a first round prospect, but I think his teammate Sam Montgomery is a better pro prospect.

ElectricEye 05-07-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by K Train (Post 2989065)
sorry but everything screams aaron maybin to me. Everything. His explosive first step, him being undersized but adding weight, his use of hands and technique, .

i think a lot of people will scoff at that comparison, mingo seems to have a fairly big following but it think the comparison is legit

I don't see how anything in those reports about Maybin are bad for Mingo.
Based on those scouting reports, I would take that guy right where the Bills took Maybin. Unfortunately, he had a unique issue with keeping weight on. We had heard stuff about Maybin playing in the 220 pounds range and having trouble keeping on weight during his college career. As far as we know, Mingo doesn't have that problem. We're certainly not hearing about it if he does.

Not that size isn't a concern at all with Mingo. He still has some frame to fill out for sure. I would like to see him come into the post-season draft process at least 250 pounds in order for him to maximize his value. I just don't think it's fair to give the guy the Maybin label. It's less and less important to try to find players in excess of 260 pounds with the way the game is being played today. Maybin is the most prominent example you can bring up as far as undersized guys failing, but I can cherry pick names of players who did have adequate size and failed as well. Von Miller got the exact same treatment(unfairly) for a good portion of last year and went on to have what was by all accounts a phenomenal rookie season.

SuperPacker 05-07-2012 04:58 PM

Comparing Mingo to Maybin is just unfair. There are a lot more important factors determining a players success, than size. I don't really know Maybin's situation, but it wouldn't really shock me if he didn't work very hard and didn't have a great attitude.

Mingo is a very good run defender and if he gains around 10 pounds he should be absolutely fine playing outside linebacker in a 3-4.

DeepThreat 05-07-2012 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker (Post 2989295)
Mingo is a very good run defender and if he gains around 10 pounds he should be absolutely fine playing outside linebacker in a 3-4.

I'm a huge Mingo fan, but calling him a very good run defender is ridiculous. At this point, he is a pure pass rusher.

The Maybin comparison is ridiculous. Maybin played at 230 and didn't have Mingo's explosiveness or pass-rush ability. It's just off.

SuperPacker 05-07-2012 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DeepThreat (Post 2989297)
I'm a huge Mingo fan, but calling him a very good run defender is ridiculous. At this point, he is a pure pass rusher.

The Maybin comparison is ridiculous. Maybin played at 230 and didn't have Mingo's explosiveness or pass-rush ability. It's just off.

Ok, not 'very good', but surprisingly good for his size IMO. But i'm in love with the guy, so i'm probably just being biased.

SenorGato 05-08-2012 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Razor (Post 2989144)
When I saw Mingo last year I saw an athlete playing football, not an athletic football player. I think he's overrated, but he does have special tools to work with. He's most definitely a first round prospect, but I think his teammate Sam Montgomery is a better pro prospect.

Agreed on Montgomery...good pass rusher and more of a pro body. I like Montgomey as a 3-4 OLB as well.

SenorGato 05-08-2012 03:22 AM

Maybin played/plays lighter...His GOAL is to be 240 this year...Like Mingo better than that, but not by much really. He's pure upside.

BamaFalcon59 05-08-2012 04:01 AM

Not touching him unless he gets up to 255 and can hold onto it.

Players like Maybin, Manny Lawson, etc.. If they can't fill out their frame, it's not worth the risk.

AntoinCD 05-08-2012 05:00 AM

The weight concerns are there, but this guy only started playing football late in high school and was a basketball player before that. I would rather see a steady increase in playing weight gradually without losing speed and explosion, rather than putting on 20lbs just to weigh in bigger, but be slower. To play the weakside edge rusher he doesn't really need to be above 250/255lbs anyway so if he can add 10lbs throughout this season then he will be fine. If he can't then it is worriesome. You don't get many successful 240lbs rushers who can be more than just situational guys

K Train 05-08-2012 08:13 AM

saying the maybin comparison is ridiculous is ridiculous in itself....you say that because maybin sucks ass but back then no one had much bad to say about maybin.

and its not "just size", its everything in any scouting report is identical for mingo. i remember having maybins INCREDIBLE explosive first step preached non stop back then, the ware comparisons, the technique. Maybin absoultely had mingos explosiveness and pass rush ability at penn state, to say he didnt just means you didnt watch him until he lost all of what made him a somewhat special pass rushing prospect when he turned pro

jesus, when people like someone you just cant compare him to a bust even though the paralells are clearly there. i didnt think maybin outright sucked, i thought he could have been a good OLB and was drafted into a scheme that would make him suck and he went at least 10 picks too high.....so im not saying mingo is destined for a maybin like career, but i dont get how people scoff at them being similar

BamaFalcon59 05-08-2012 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by AntoinCD (Post 2990244)
The weight concerns are there, but this guy only started playing football late in high school and was a basketball player before that. I would rather see a steady increase in playing weight gradually without losing speed and explosion, rather than putting on 20lbs just to weigh in bigger, but be slower. To play the weakside edge rusher he doesn't really need to be above 250/255lbs anyway so if he can add 10lbs throughout this season then he will be fine. If he can't then it is worriesome. You don't get many successful 240lbs rushers who can be more than just situational guys

That is the concern. We won't know if he is going to be adding the weight sustainably or simply for testing purposes.

Iamcanadian 05-12-2012 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Razor (Post 2989144)
When I saw Mingo last year I saw an athlete playing football, not an athletic football player. I think he's overrated, but he does have special tools to work with. He's most definitely a first round prospect, but I think his teammate Sam Montgomery is a better pro prospect.

I agree, Mingo cannot yet handle the POA but he is still young and who knows how much better he will get.

Big Bird 05-12-2012 01:04 PM

DeMarcus Ware measured in at 262 at the Combine, unlike Lawson and Maybin who were in the 240's.

SenorGato 05-12-2012 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Bird (Post 2996202)
DeMarcus Ware measured in at 262 at the Combine, unlike Lawson and Maybin who were in the 240's.

If there's a Ware clone in 2013 (there probably isn't) it's between Okafor and Montgomery.


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