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onejayhawk 05-14-2012 10:06 AM

OTA and Mini Camp
 
Orientation camp wrap up is up on the flagship.
http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/article...b-14718a02008f

This was interesting:

University of Kansas TE Tim Biere showed solid ability to multitask on Sunday. The undrafted rookie spent his morning walking at graduation in Lawrence and then made it back to Kansas City in time for afternoon practice.

The star of the UDFA seems to be Josh Bellamy WR, Louisville

A solidly built wide out with decent overall height and girth for the position. Displays good knowledge of how to set up corners off the line who are trying to get their hands on him. Wastes initial motion as he squares his feet initially, but showcases a clever wiggle in order to get defenders off balance and he gets up to top end speed quickly down the field. Lacks much of a second gear and plays like a 4.5 guy, but he locates the football well, adjusts well to the throw and has the strength to go up and snatch the football at its highest point. Isn't someone who will eat up the cushion overly quickly and is not a threat to simply run by defenders down the field. He tries to set up his vertical routes with a subtle head fake, but doesn't have the second gear to outpace corners toward daylight and struggles to fight through an arm bar in space.

Isn't a real explosive short area route runner either. He gets up to speed quickly, but tends to chop his feet and gear down in order to collect himself before getting out of his breaks. Is sharp as a route runner and runs tight angles on sharply breaking routs, but doesn't have any kind of burst to his game when trying to separate. Will glide more so into his vertical routes because he doesn't have the top gear to simply outpace defensive backs. Will work on the outside as a blocker and try to stick down the field, but lacks the size/power to consistently dominate on the edge in the NFL.

Impression: Possesses solid size/speed and knows how to go get the football. However, he isn't a real dynamic athlete in any area of the game and will have a tough time consistently making a roster.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...l&player=46259

J

T-RICH49 05-29-2012 02:46 PM

heard Baldwin made a sick one handed catch today

TheMatriculator 05-29-2012 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by T-RICH49 (Post 3016142)
heard Baldwin made a sick one handed catch today

And according to Adam Teicher, he made it against Stanford Routt and not some no name free agent. Somebody pass me another glass of kool-aid.

nepg 05-31-2012 09:55 PM

Sounds like Jalil Brown is turning into yet another Pioli CB gem in that 4th-5th round range. Nice to see a guy with tools like that start to put it together. That was just a great pick to stash behind the other CBs on the roster.

T-RICH49 06-01-2012 06:10 PM

sounds like Hudson is doing well at Center so far

Hermstheman83 06-01-2012 11:41 PM

Everyone looks good without pads on...These guys are world class athletes. I distinctly remember when Brodie Croyle was the heir apparent and this article made it out to sound like he was the next joe montana...I guess he was, minus his toughness, accuracy, mobility. I'm kinda on board with Balldwin, because the talent is obviously there. But Jalil Brown probably isn't going to be a starter in this league.

nepg 06-02-2012 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermstheman83 (Post 3019552)
Everyone looks good without pads on...These guys are world class athletes. I distinctly remember when Brodie Croyle was the heir apparent and this article made it out to sound like he was the next joe montana...I guess he was, minus his toughness, accuracy, mobility. I'm kinda on board with Balldwin, because the talent is obviously there. But Jalil Brown probably isn't going to be a starter in this league.

Why?

Croyle was trash and isn't a very good tool for comparison. He was the QB of an Alabama team that didn't score a lot of points, he was undersized, he was injury prone, and he never did anything that stood out other than a couple catches Tyrone Prothro made.

Brown is pretty smart and has the size, athleticism, and potential to be anything as a CB in the NFL. And pads or no pads is pretty irrelevant for corners and receivers anyway. That's more for line play and runningbacks. Point I'm trying to make is I don't see why we shouldn't be optimistic and slightly excited about Brown.

Hermstheman83 06-03-2012 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by nepg (Post 3020039)
Why?

Croyle was trash and isn't a very good tool for comparison. He was the QB of an Alabama team that didn't score a lot of points, he was undersized, he was injury prone, and he never did anything that stood out other than a couple catches Tyrone Prothro made.

Brown is pretty smart and has the size, athleticism, and potential to be anything as a CB in the NFL. And pads or no pads is pretty irrelevant for corners and receivers anyway. That's more for line play and runningbacks. Point I'm trying to make is I don't see why we shouldn't be optimistic and slightly excited about Brown.

I think Croyle is a good comparison to Brown. I believe DC's scouting report suggested he had "all the tools" needed to become a NFL starter, big arm, etc. Also, there was an article the year croyle was the heir apparent saying how he made every throw out there and this was the shining definitive moment that KC needed from their QB(ssome bs like that). and now we're knee deep in with Cassel(btw I think Stanzi has the tools to become our franchise qb, but I'm a pretty biased Iowa fan)Jalil Brown is in that same category. He is one of the best at presss coverage and a special teams ace. I hope your right nepg and he turns into the next great Pioli find, but I wouldn't hold my breath. My point is that don't buy everything you hear during OTA's.

onejayhawk 06-03-2012 12:04 PM

Not everyone stands out in shorts. Those with real athleticism do. Jamaaal Charles flashed his potential at OTA, but it was two years before he really showed the league. Players that have more impact because of their grit do not do as well. We get to see them next month.

I want to see Quinn after he gets to know the offense a bit better. Of our three QBs, he was by far the best regarded coming out. The Browns threw him to the wolves. This is almost the opposite situation.

J

nepg 06-03-2012 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Hermstheman83 (Post 3020329)
I think Croyle is a good comparison to Brown. I believe DC's scouting report suggested he had "all the tools" needed to become a NFL starter, big arm, etc. Also, there was an article the year croyle was the heir apparent saying how he made every throw out there and this was the shining definitive moment that KC needed from their QB(ssome bs like that). and now we're knee deep in with Cassel(btw I think Stanzi has the tools to become our franchise qb, but I'm a pretty biased Iowa fan)Jalil Brown is in that same category. He is one of the best at presss coverage and a special teams ace. I hope your right nepg and he turns into the next great Pioli find, but I wouldn't hold my breath. My point is that don't buy everything you hear during OTA's.

I never liked Croyle. I was a huge critic when he came out and had seen pretty much every game of his. He didn't have all the tools. He had the arm and nothing else. He was under 200lbs. That is extremely undersized and he paid for it with all the injuries he accumulated throughout his life.

I'm not "buying everything I hear". My assessment of Brown was that he has the size and tools to be a good starter if he develops properly. The things I'm hearing are along the lines of what I thought he was going to be is all.

I don't see Asante Samuel, but he could be Ellis Hobbs or even Brandon Carr. The later maybe being best-case scenario with the former seeming likely.

vidae 06-04-2012 11:40 AM

We inked Abram Elam today and he'll be at OTAs.

nepg 06-04-2012 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae (Post 3021756)
We inked Abram Elam today and he'll be at OTAs.

That's awesome. They really needed a smart, veteran leader type of player. I didn't even know he was out there... He can fill the void left by Jon McGraw if he sticks.

Hermstheman83 06-05-2012 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by onejayhawk (Post 3020405)
Not everyone stands out in shorts. Those with real athleticism do. Jamaaal Charles flashed his potential at OTA, but it was two years before he really showed the league. Players that have more impact because of their grit do not do as well. We get to see them next month.

I want to see Quinn after he gets to know the offense a bit better. Of our three QBs, he was by far the best regarded coming out. The Browns threw him to the wolves. This is almost the opposite situation.

J

I'm not saying I disagree with you guys. But any track star(Sammy Parker) probably flashed a lot in OTAs too. I'm also not saying that Jalil Brown won't turn into the next Ellis Hobbs. I'm just saying that given the fact that OTA's are pretty locked down and the only information coming out is (probably) from the PR dept for the Chiefs, I'd be leery. That's how communism became so popular you know :)

I'm curious to see what Quinn still has. I thought he was going to be a great qb and was hoping KC would take him when he kept dropping and dropping...

OSUGiants17 06-06-2012 08:45 PM

Any word on how Charles, Berry or Moeaki are recovering and how they look so far?

nepg 06-06-2012 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OSUGiants17 (Post 3025480)
Any word on how Charles, Berry or Moeaki are recovering and how they look so far?

Sounds like they'll be ready for camp. Charles says he feels better than every, but that's what they all say. A year off of football to recover makes you think you feel great.

onejayhawk 06-07-2012 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nepg (Post 3025588)
Sounds like they'll be ready for camp. Charles says he feels better than every, but that's what they all say. A year off of football to recover makes you think you feel great.

OTOH he has also had a year to get over the accumulation of dings and bumps. If the leg is good to go, the rest will have done him a lot of good.

J

TheMatriculator 06-08-2012 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OSUGiants17 (Post 3025480)
Any word on how Charles, Berry or Moeaki are recovering and how they look so far?

Stay tuned for more definitive information soon. According to Adam Teicher of the Kansas City Star, all three are scheduled to be examined by doctors on June 18th. If all goes well that day, they would be cleared to participate in training camp.


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