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KCStud 05-20-2012 02:56 AM

Can Matt Cassel take KC far ala Alex Smith in 2011?
 
IMO KC is the equivalent of the 49ers in the AFC. Really strong overall team with a game manager at QB. Cassel and Smith are so much alike to me, but Smith took a big step last year.

KC ranked 11th overall in defense last year without Eric Berry, so I think KC will be in the top 10 with him and Poe (I don't think he'll light it up, but he won't make us not top 10).

KC has arguably the best 1-2 punch in the NFL at RB with Charles and Hillis. Bowe, Breaston, Baldwin (who showed flashes or awesome potential last year) and Moeaki coming back should help him out. Winston is an elite RT so that'll help too.

I just don't see how a QB can't succeed with that much talent surrounding you. Alex Smith benefited from that talent and the coaching.

I guess my question is..do you guys think Matt Cassel could do the same thing Alex Smith did and get KC in the playoffs and win them a game or two this year?

Ness 05-20-2012 05:36 AM

The 49ers had a dominating defense last season. That is the main reason they were in the playoffs. That combined with an average to decent run game. Alex Smith had some moments of greatness, but during the majority of the duration of games, he wasn't spectacular. But really, it was the defense and turnovers.

As for the Chiefs, I don't watch them that closely, but didn't Eric Berry suffer a torn ACL? There is no guarantee that he comes back to full form in his first year back from recovery. Poe is a rookie and an unknown factor at this point. I'm guessing he helps the Chiefs though.

And I disagree about Jamal Charles (also coming back from an ACL injury) and Peyton Hillis (also coming back from injury) making arguably the best 1-2 punch in the NFL. Hillis didn't play well at all last season and who knows how Charles will fare.

And Cassel...well, he had a good season two years ago, but he strikes me as the kind of guy that really needs to have a lot of talent around him to succeed. At least at this point in time. So perhaps Alex and him have that in common, but there is a new head coach in town, and Haley isn't running the offense anymore. Not to mention Denver now has Peyton Manning, and I wouldn't expect the Chargers to slouch as bad as they did last year. The Chiefs schedule looks pretty hard as well.

San Diego Chicken 05-20-2012 06:29 AM

It's only May and I'm already sick of the Chiefs hype. KC doesn't have three players on defense as good as Justin Smith, Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman.

fenikz 05-20-2012 08:18 AM

I would argue that KC is a better team talent wise and one of the best in the league, if Charles is 90% healthy and Hillis is somewhat productive Cassel should be able to take advantage of plenty of 1 on 1 coverage, plus the defense is pretty much set 5-10 years

SuperPacker 05-20-2012 09:24 AM

Please, i started the Chiefs Bandwagon months ago.

Splat 05-20-2012 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken (Post 3006595)
It's only May and I'm already sick of the Chiefs hype.

What hype?

Pretty much everyone has all ready gave the Div to Peyton Manning.

General Zod 05-20-2012 10:07 AM

With a new coach(a better coach imo) and everyone healthy, Im anxious to see how KC does.

phlysac 05-20-2012 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by fenikz (Post 3006645)
I would argue that KC is a better team talent wise

Please do.

I see alot of similarities. 49ers had "talent" under Singletary. Put it together is a different story.

tjsunstein 05-20-2012 10:25 AM

Lol a Chargers fan sick of the KC hype. Color me shocked.

The Chiefs are going to be damn good, but Cassel will limit them. I would say their ceiling is one playoff win.

Roddoliver 05-20-2012 10:25 AM

The Chiefs had the 26th pass defense last season. Eric Berry made a lot of mistakes as a rookie. Who will be the other S? They lost Brandon Carr. Stanford Routt is a questionable replacement. Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers in the division. The Chiefs might have the worst starting QB in the AFC West. The NFC West did not have any decent QB to challenge the 49ers for the division title in 2011. Alex Smith was the best QB in his division last season. I doubt Matt Cassel will play better than Peyton Manning and Philip Rivers. If your team does not have the best QB in the division, and not even the 2nd best, it won't be easy to reach the playoffs.

nepg 05-20-2012 10:44 AM

The Chiefs had the #11 defense despite some really bad games (all but a couple were actually just the Chiefs' offense causing their defense to lose hope).

As much as I like Alex Smith, he's never had a season even close to what Cassel did in 2008 or 2010. They didn't lose to the Ravens because Cassel couldn't elevate the team, they lost because the team just wasn't good enough. In 2011, there was a whole laundry list of problems with that team. Cassel does have to put up a big season and really prove himself in 2012. He has the ability, he acts the part of the leader of the team, and now he has a competent OC, protection, and weapons. He hasn't had those three things going for him before.

Matthew Jones 05-20-2012 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by San Diego Chicken (Post 3006595)
It's only May and I'm already sick of the Chiefs hype. KC doesn't have three players on defense as good as Justin Smith, Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman.

How about Tamba Hali, Brandon Flowers, and Eric Berry?

Razor 05-20-2012 11:00 AM

I think that if you surround Matt Cassell with enough talent whether it's on defense or offense he'll take you to the playoffs. He showed that in 2008 and 2010. He's a capable quarterback, but if you're asking him to carry a team you're just asking to fail miserably. KC has a lot of talent on both sides of the ball but most of it is just, well... Talent. Crennel will take care of that defense but I worry about the offense. Bowe is a stud but is inconsistent. Baldwin has a ton of potential but is also inconsistent and only showed small flashes in his rookie year. Charles is arguably the most dynamic runner in the NFL when healthy, but I wouldn't count on him being the same player that he was just one year removed from that injury. I could see KC winning the division or clinching a WC but that has more to do with their schedule than their team. They have lots of potential, but I'm not sure that the ability is there yet.

SuperPacker 05-20-2012 11:07 AM

QB - Chiefs
RB - Chiefs
WR - Chiefs
TE - 49ers
OL - 49ers

DL - 49ers
LB - 49ers
CB - Chiefs
S - Chiefs

Both teams are very talented. Chiefs probably have a better defense, 49ers have a better defense. I like both teams to get far into the playoffs however.

bearfan 05-20-2012 11:35 AM

Only this will take the chiefs to the next level


vidae 05-20-2012 11:56 AM

Denver is the most hyped team in history, and it's hilarious that a Chargers fan is sick of hype.. there was a stretch where you couldn't watch NFLN or ESPN without someone giving Rivers or the Chargers a handie.

As far as the Chiefs, I'm not sure. Our success will largely depend on how Berry, Moeaki, and Charles come back from injury. If they're healthy we could be a dangerous team.

I'm just not sure that Cassel is going to take us on a deep playoff run.

OSUGiants17 05-20-2012 12:06 PM

Chiefs hype? Does such a thing exist? I thing the only time they got hype from the media was when Larry Johnson broke out. The Chiefs are extreme underdogs due to Rivers being the most overrated QB in the past decade, the Chargers being over-hyped every year only to fail, and now Denver went from questionable 8-10 win team to ZOMG Peyton Manningzzzzzzzzzz Championshipzzzzz! Denver is unbeatable! O wait, they have no real offense around Peyton and he is now older and coming off injury, but the media still will bend over for Peyton and Denver.

The Chiefs are a very talented team and it all comes down to how well Cassell plays. Romeo wants his own guy, so unless he can make Matt that this year, Cassell will be gone next year and replaced by a rookie.

Rosebud 05-20-2012 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OSUGiants17 (Post 3006786)
Chiefs hype? Does such a thing exist? I thing the only time they got hype from the media was when Larry Johnson broke out. The Chiefs are extreme underdogs due to Rivers being the most overrated QB in the past decade, the Chargers being over-hyped every year only to fail, and now Denver went from questionable 8-10 win team to ZOMG Peyton Manningzzzzzzzzzz Championshipzzzzz! Denver is unbeatable! O wait, they have no real offense around Peyton and he is now older and coming off injury, but the media still will bend over for Peyton and Denver.

The Chiefs are a very talented team and it all comes down to how well Cassell plays. Romeo wants his own guy, so unless he can make Matt that this year, Cassell will be gone next year and replaced by a rookie.

Easy there buddy, Denver has a good OL and WRs. If Peyton can play that'll be an excellent offense.

broncosfan 05-20-2012 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splat (Post 3006701)
What hype?

Pretty much everyone has all ready gave the Div to Peyton Manning.

No, you're wrong. They're giving the division to the team that actually WON it last year. That team aka the Denver Broncos, return with all of their key players and now have replaced (in the words of many people in this forum) the worst ever starting qb in the NFL Tim Tebow with 1st ballot HoF Peyton Manning. So no my friend, they're not giving the division to Peyton Manning.

Rosebud 05-20-2012 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broncosfan (Post 3006791)
No, you're wrong. They're giving the division to the team that actually WON it last year. That team aka the Denver Broncos, return with all of their key players and now have replaced (in the words of many people in this forum) the worst ever starting qb in the NFL Tim Tebow with 1st ballot HoF Peyton Manning. So no my friend, they're not giving the division to Peyton Manning.

...I don't even...

broncosfan 05-20-2012 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosebud (Post 3006792)
...I don't even...

I don't get it.

OSUGiants17 05-20-2012 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosebud (Post 3006790)
Easy there buddy, Denver has a good OL and WRs. If Peyton can play that'll be an excellent offense.

There O-Line is good yes, but Thomas and Decker are nothing special and they lost Royal. I like Thomas, but him and Decker are just average receivers right now. Hopefully for Denver fans, Peyton can make them great, but I don't see Decker breaking out. Thomas has the potential to, but he needs Peyton to be the old Peyton.

broncosfan 05-20-2012 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OSUGiants17 (Post 3006798)
There O-Line is good yes, but Thomas and Decker are nothing special and they lost Royal. I like Thomas, but him and Decker are just average receivers right now. Hopefully for Denver fans, Peyton can make them great, but I don't see Decker breaking out. Thomas has the potential to, but he needs Peyton to be the old Peyton.

Losing Eddie Royal as a WR is irrelevant, he's not good at all.

Brothgar 05-20-2012 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by broncosfan (Post 3006791)
No, you're wrong. They're giving the division to the team that actually WON it last year. That team aka the Denver Broncos, return with all of their key players and now have replaced (in the words of many people in this forum) the worst ever starting qb in the NFL Tim Tebow with 1st ballot HoF Peyton Manning. So no my friend, they're not giving the division to Peyton Manning.

But TEBOW JUST WINZ GAIMEZZZ YOU NO HAVE TEBOW YOU NO WINZ GAMEZZ

broncosfan 05-20-2012 12:49 PM

Im not a homer, it happened, it's a fact. The Broncos won the division last year, won a playoff game and now return this year with an improvement at the QB position.

Im not saying the Broncos are the best team ever and will definitely win the Super Bowl this year, my point is that it's not a stretch to say they are the favorites to win the division again.


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