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dmoneyrockin 06-06-2012 02:41 PM

2013 WR Class
 
Is it just me or is this group of recievers very subpar. I just don't see an elite number 1 guy in this class. Thought?

AntoinCD 06-06-2012 02:59 PM

Draftable prospect-wise I think it is better than last year's crop.

I would comfortably rate both Keenan Allen and Robert Woods over any WR from last year.

Allen could be that #1 type. Woods needs to get stronger but has so much potential.

OSUGiants17 06-06-2012 03:15 PM

Allen, Woods and both Tennessee WRs are #1 type guys and I love Marquess Wilson as a #2 with a bigger WR opposite him. This WR class is extremely deep with a lot of talent at the top. Of course it depends on who declares, but it has potential to be better than last year and maybe even the year before.

dmoneyrockin 06-06-2012 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OSUGiants17 (Post 3024925)
Allen, Woods and both Tennessee WRs are #1 type guys and I love Marquess Wilson as a #2 with a bigger WR opposite him. This WR class is extremely deep with a lot of talent at the top. Of course it depends on who declares, but it has potential to be better than last year and maybe even the year before.

I just don't see these guys as true number 1. Allen is the best of group right now, but he has the look of a good number 2 or number 1 on a bad team. Stevie Johnson comes to mind. Woods looks like a solid 2/3 with a lot of bust potential.

OSUGiants17 06-06-2012 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dmoneyrockin (Post 3024934)
I just don't see these guys as true number 1. Allen is the best of group right now, but he has the look of a good number 2 or number 1 on a bad team. Stevie Johnson comes to mind. Woods looks like a solid 2/3 with a lot of bust potential.

Have you watched them? I am beginning to doubt that you have

dmoneyrockin 06-06-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by OSUGiants17 (Post 3024937)
Have you watched them? I am beginning to doubt that you have

Gotta love the classic "you disagree with me, you must not have seen prospect" arguement.

I have seen them, and just don't see anything that makes them elite, but both are good prospects.

I haven't seen much of the Tennessee kids, which is why I haven't commented on either of them.

wicket 06-06-2012 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dmoneyrockin (Post 3025047)
Gotta love the classic "you disagree with me, you must not have seen prospect" arguement.

I have seen them, and just don't see anything that makes them elite, but both are good prospects.

I haven't seen much of the Tennessee kids, which is why I haven't commented on either of them.

gotta love the "gotta love the classic if you disagree withme you must not have seen prospect argument" defense

norcalgsr 06-06-2012 07:09 PM

Woods has exceptional route running. Explosive off the line and out of his breaks, but he doesn't have the same level of hands, body control, and ball skills of his own teammate Marqise Lee.

dmoneyrockin 06-06-2012 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by norcalgsr (Post 3025310)
Woods has exceptional route running. Explosive off the line and out of his breaks, but he doesn't have the same level of hands, body control, and ball skills of his own teammate Marqise Lee.

Agreed.
I think Lee is a much better prospect than Woods.

I also feel like the USC offense is very WR friendly. Big college numbers, but struggle to find that niche at the level.

mqtirishfan 06-06-2012 08:22 PM

I like this year's class quite a bit, actually. I think there are 5 or more receivers that could be first rounders quite easily.

ATLDirtyBirds 06-06-2012 10:10 PM

Woods eats up cushion like it's nothing. Allen might as well be a RB with the ball in his hands.

Poz51 06-07-2012 09:31 AM

Personally I think it looks top heavy at this point myself, despite it being early. I think Allen has #1 impact reciever written all over him, Woods has some D. Jax to his game, but I see some bust potential there at the next level myself, depends on how he will be used. Both Tenn. WR's have upside, and Hunter (big year for he and Bray) in particular has the physical skill set to be a #1, depends on how he recovers from his injury, and Rogers has a D. Bowe/S. Johnson skill set to me.
Speaking of Stevie, watch him vs. Revis last year, and then tell me he is not a legit #1... Lotta media guys lately saying he is not, w/no reasoning.
M. Wilson has great production with little around him, and despite drawing extra attention from defenses produces, which if he does again this year is in the first round mix IMO as well.
A couple guys not mentioned yet; Cobi Hamilton has a ton of potential, can run after the catch, break tackles, and will be Wilson's #1 target this year. Terrance Williams IMO could be a better WR in the NFL than K. Wright, not sure how the QB situation at Baylor will play out, but if he improves his consistancy (drops) and builds off of last year, could be in the first round mix. Aaron Mellette is a guy I (and others) like alot out of Elon, he has made the most out of his opportunities against Vandy, great hands, runs routes well, looks like a WC/possesion, YAC guy who could challenge the first round. He's getting good pub now, but if he steps it up against UNC and App. St, he could really challenge the first round. Tavon Austin will be someone I will be keeping an eye on. I do like the top, but dont see alot of depth at this point.

DoughBoy 06-07-2012 03:21 PM

I love Da'Rick Rodgers, but I wouldn't want my team to draft him the first two rounds because he is such a headcase (its not a matter of if he will do something stupid, just a matter of when). Justin Hunter is obviously the better of the two, provided he is healthy.

Razor 06-07-2012 03:38 PM

I love the 2013 class of receivers. I see lots of potential number one receivers, but it's just deep all around when it comes to receivers next year imo.


Robert Woods*, USC Trojans #2
Keenan Alexander Allen*, California Golden Bears #21
Justin Hunter*, Tennessee Volunteers #11
Marquess Wilson*, Washington State #86
Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas Razorbacks #11
Tavon Austin, West Virginia #1
Kenny Stills*, Oklahoma Sooners #4
Da’Rick Rogers*, Tennessee Volunteers #21

Number one receivers in bold, but there are many more than this.

OSUGiants17 06-07-2012 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Razor (Post 3026455)
I love the 2013 class of receivers. I see lots of potential number one receivers, but it's just deep all around when it comes to receivers next year imo.


Robert Woods*, USC Trojans #2
Keenan Alexander Allen*, California Golden Bears #21
Justin Hunter*, Tennessee Volunteers #11
Marquess Wilson*, Washington State #86
Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas Razorbacks #11
Tavon Austin, West Virginia #1
Kenny Stills*, Oklahoma Sooners #4
Da’Rick Rogers*, Tennessee Volunteers #21

Number one receivers in bold, but there are many more than this.

Can't forget about Terrance Williams, Tavarres King, Keenan Davis and Ryan Swope. Plus, Denard Robinson can convert to a WR possibly. I'd say there are a solid 5 #1 WRs in this draft and plenty of depth as well with #2 and slot WRs.

Razor 06-07-2012 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by OSUGiants17 (Post 3026486)
Can't forget about Terrance Williams, Tavarres King, Keenan Davis and Ryan Swope. Plus, Denard Robinson can convert to a WR possibly. I'd say there are a solid 5 #1 WRs in this draft and plenty of depth as well with #2 and slot WRs.

I'm really not sold on Terrance Williams tbqh. Tavarres King has the tools to be an effective NFL receiver, but not that number one receiver that teams are always looking for. Denard Robinson is someone to keep an eye on, but I doubt he'll ever amount to anything in the NFL. Swope is interesting. Woods is probably my favorite receiver, but I doubt he'll be as effective in the NFL as he is at SC.

FUNBUNCHER 06-07-2012 04:01 PM

A true #1 WR in the NFL IMO is a guy who's a QB's best option for a completion even when he's covered. If the ball is in the air and the pass isn't thrown short these guys are 'open'.

I don't know how many guys like that are in this draft, or even if you need to be on that tier as a WR prospect to be an outstanding pro.

Athletic prospects who make razor sharp cuts and run disciplined routes with decent deep speed and good hands will have a role in almost any offense.

Just in the NFCE, guys I consider borderline to legit #1s(throw it up and let the WR make a play), are Desean Jackson/Miles Austin and Dez/Cruz and Nicks.
There are just a few guys I consider #1, franchise type WRs in this draft, but several guys I view as potential starters.

OSUGiants17 06-07-2012 10:46 PM

I also feel that a #1 WR doesn't quite mean what it used to. In this pass happy league, more teams spread the ball around to TEs and other WRs so being your teams #1 is awesome and all, but the #2 could bs just as good or at least getting the ball just as much. The position is also over-valued in the draft now and teams know they need WRs so they'll reach. The fact that a team traded up for Justin Blackmon, a guy who I've felt will never be a legit #1, to make him their #1 just proves my point.

bengalbuck 07-06-2012 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by OSUGiants17 (Post 3027130)
I also feel that a #1 WR doesn't quite mean what it used to. In this pass happy league, more teams spread the ball around to TEs and other WRs so being your teams #1 is awesome and all, but the #2 could bs just as good or at least getting the ball just as much. The position is also over-valued in the draft now and teams know they need WRs so they'll reach. The fact that a team traded up for Justin Blackmon, a guy who I've felt will never be a legit #1, to make him their #1 just proves my point.

Depends on how you define value. Look at the contracts the top WRs got in FA this year. Garcon almost $50 million? Meachem and Laurent Robinson big money? The year before both Sydney Rice and Santonio Holmes got over 40 million....

The way the NFL is right now, almost every team wishes they had another big, speedy WR. So it comes down to supply and demand. If you need a WR and your choice is spending $40+ million on a mediocre vet or "reaching" in the draft and filling your needs at other positions if FA, it may actually make a ton of sense to draft the WR early and spend your FA cash elsewhere.

GaMeTiMe 07-07-2012 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER (Post 3026528)
Just in the NFCE, guys I consider borderline to legit #1s(throw it up and let the WR make a play), are Desean Jackson/Miles Austin and Dez/Cruz

Maclin?10char

OSUGiants17 07-07-2012 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GaMeTiMe (Post 3050988)
Maclin?10char

homer?10char

Bixby (Thumper) 07-07-2012 02:40 AM

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Originally Posted by OSUGiants17 (Post 3051026)
homer?10char

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Yeah, it's totally homer to think that a guy who averages 4.5 catches, 63 yards per game and .5 touchdown per game over the past two seasons is a #1 target. If he hadn't missed three games last season he was on pace for a 1000 yard season. He was 8th in DVOA in 2010 and 23rd in 2011 despite an offseason that was riddled by a cancer scare that caused him to lose upwards of fifteen pounds (which he has now put back on). Oh and he's caught 61% and 66% of his targets the past two seasons. And he's got four games in his career where he topped 140 receiving yards.

Jeremy Maclin is pretty flippin' good.

Bixby (Thumper) 07-07-2012 02:42 AM

Double post. My bad y'all.

OSUGiants17 07-07-2012 11:21 AM

Nice stats. I never said the guy was bad, just not a number 1 wideout. Victor Cruz had incredible stats, but he's not a #1 either. Wes Welker put up great numbers and was used as a #1 wideout, but isn't a #1. Laurent Robinson, Sydney Rice, Percy Harvin, DHB, Crabtree, Mike Williams, every Browns receiver, Earl Bennett, all guys used as #1 who have put up good numbers, but are not #1 wide receivers, just their teams #1 therefore they're targeted a lot and put up good numbers. D-Jax and Maclin are both not #1's, sorry.

Bixby (Thumper) 07-07-2012 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OSUGiants17 (Post 3051087)
Nice stats. I never said the guy was bad, just not a number 1 wideout. Victor Cruz had incredible stats, but he's not a #1 either. Wes Welker put up great numbers and was used as a #1 wideout, but isn't a #1. Laurent Robinson, Sydney Rice, Percy Harvin, DHB, Crabtree, Mike Williams, every Browns receiver, Earl Bennett, all guys used as #1 who have put up good numbers, but are not #1 wide receivers, just their teams #1 therefore they're targeted a lot and put up good numbers. D-Jax and Maclin are both not #1's, sorry.

Haha, whatever man.


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