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Don Vito 09-18-2012 09:47 PM

If you were building a defense...
 
Who would you take first? On offense it is way more clearcut since everyone would to take a QB if all players were available. On defense it gets much more interesting when you factor in scheme and what you value more. Some would want a shutdown cover guy, some a playmaking safety you have to spot before every snap, some a dynamic edge guy, some a force in the middle, and others a linebacker who doesn't have to leave no matter what the situation.

With a new generation of defensive stars coming in and many older ones still going strong, I think this would be a cool way to gauge who people would build their defense around if they could start with anyone in the league. Pretend you don't have a defensive scheme in place, who are you picking to build around. You can favor a specific scheme as a fan and pick for it, if your favorite team runs mainly 4-3 don't let that prevent you from picking someone who is more of a 3-4 guy.

Here are the guys that I would say deserve the most consideration by tier. This is how I would put them-

Tier 1. The Total Package: A lot of talent and a lot of years in front of them.



Jason Pierre-Paul: JPP has it all, and the scary thing is most people think he can still get better. Freakish size, length, and athleticism combined with a motor and moves. Probably every offensive lineman's worst nightmare in football right now.



Darrelle Revis: Everybody knows what Revis can do, he has been doing it for four or five years and still has a lot of years in front of him. There are a lot of guys who can get to the quarterback, but there really is only one guy like Revis in the NFL.



DeMarcus Ware: Ware might be the consitently dominant player in the league. He is going to impact the game in a big way at some point, and there is no stopping it. If you are looking for a 3-4 outside linebacker, your search ends with Ware. He is no spring chicken anymore, but ask anyone around the league if he looks like he is slowing down anytime soon.



Patrick Willis: You would be hard pressed to find a hole in Willis' game, he is a freak of nature who can do it all and is a leader and intimidator. However, most people would agree that non-pass rushing linebackers don't have as much value as other positions.



Haloti Ngata does things a man his size simply should not be allowed to do. He is 340 pounds and moves around like a linebacker. He is dominant against the run and the pass, and he will beat you if you don't double team him at a minimum.



Terrell Suggs: It feels like Suggs has been in the league forever, but he still has a lot of years in front of him. Injury pushes the reigning DPOtY down a little, but there isn't a team in the league who give near anything to have him.



Clay Matthews: Intense edge guy who has the ability to completely take over a game for 60 minutes, just ask Jay Cutler and J'Marcus Webb.

Tier 2: Close, but not quite there. These guys are all impact defenders either in their primes or entering them, but are they elite?
-Trent Cole
-Ndamukong Suh
-Justin Tuck
-Tamba Hali
-Kyle Williams
-Vince Wilfork
-Eric Berry
-Mario Williams
-Brandon Flowers
-Darnell Dockett
-Tramon Williams
-LaMarr Woodley
-Cam Wake
-Nnamdi Asomugha
-Malcolm Jemkins
-Elvis Dumervil
-NaVorro Bowman
-Earl Thomas
-Randy Starks
-Jason Babin
-Brian Cushing
-Jerod Mayo
-Derrick Johnson
-Adrian Wilson

Tier 3: The Vets: These guys are feared and have produced for years, but they are a little longer in the tooth
-Ray Lewis
-Jared Allen
-Dwight Freeney
-Ed Reed
-Justin Smith
-Julius Peppers
-Troy Polamalu
-Brian Urlacher
-Kevin Williams
-Charles Woodson
-Robert Mathis
-London Fletcher
-James Harrison
-Champ Bailey
-Lance Briggs
-Richard Seymour

Tier 4: The Next Generation: These guys have the talent and hype to be elite, but they are still not quite there
-Von Miller
-BJ Raji
-Calais Campbell
-Chris Long
-Patrick Peterson
-JJ Watt
-Sean Lee
-Daryl Washington
-Marcel Dareus
-Sean Weatherspoon
-Robert Quinn
-Geno Atkins
-Kam Chancellor
-Mark Barron
-Joe Haden
-Lawrence Timmons

It looks like a lot of names, but there really are a lot of people missing who could be on the list. If there are any players missing who you think should be on there, bring 'em up.

So the guy I am picking is Ngata. Just an absolutely dominant force who eats space, can pressure the QB, and forces you to run away from him. I almost went with JPP but I think Ngata is the most dominating force on any NFL defense and will be for the forseeable future. Next for me would be JPP then P-Willie.

fenikz 09-18-2012 09:57 PM

Calais Campbell is the best 3-4 DL in the NFL. Figured you would know that after last week

abaddon41_80 09-18-2012 09:57 PM

Toss-up between Ngata and Justin Smith. I would lean towards Ngata because he is four years younger.

yo123 09-18-2012 09:58 PM

Revis first then JPP for me. I just think the difference between him and the next best cover corner is bigger than the difference between the 1 and 2 guys at any other position.

By my count the Jets are the only team to finish top 6 in the league against the pass the last three years and that's without much else to be impressed with in the secondary.

Don Vito 09-18-2012 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz (Post 3120998)
Calais Campbell is the best 3-4 DL in the NFL. Figured you would know that after last week

I was stuck on where to put him, I had him in tiers 1, 3, and 4. I put him in 4 but it was really between elite and the young guys on the verge. He's at the top of that tier though and you could definitely make the case for him being a top 10 player, I would still take Ngata personally but Campbell spanked us last week.

Caddy 09-18-2012 10:03 PM

I took Ngata. That man is just incredible.

abaddon41_80 09-18-2012 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fenikz (Post 3120998)
Calais Campbell is the best 3-4 DL in the NFL. Figured you would know that after last week

Still not quite on Ngata and Smith's level, but getting close.

fenikz 09-18-2012 10:10 PM

Quite frankly I think it's debatable at this point, JJ Watt right there with em

tjsunstein 09-18-2012 10:12 PM

Have to go Revis just because of the gap between himself and the next best corner. We all see how many passrushers are on here, with that in mind you would still take one over the best cover corner in the league? I'd go Revis then best versatile down lineman, one who play both DE and OLB or DE and DT. The problem with JPP for me is his position is strictly off the edge from a 4-3, thats where hes best. Not knocking him as a player at all but when you're building a D, its something you keep in mind.

Matthew Jones 09-18-2012 10:13 PM

Give me Revis. I'd sleep better at night knowing that he could limit the top option of any team's passing attack.

abaddon41_80 09-18-2012 10:17 PM

Forgive me for using a Madden scale, I don't even play and I don't know what they are in the game, but here is how I would rate them numerically

Smith - 100
Ngata - 99
Campbell - 97
Watt - 95

fenikz 09-18-2012 10:22 PM

99 99 99 98

Add in Smith's age and you prob throw his name out when building a team, then you debate if you want Ngata(28), Campbell(26) or Watt(23)

Ness 09-18-2012 10:26 PM

Haloti Ngata. Starts up front.

Eazy Picks 09-18-2012 10:35 PM

Gotta go Pat Willis. Best all around defender in the league, great leader, makes everyone around him so much better. The 49ers built a defense around him, and they now have the best defense in the league.

Gotta consider age in this whole thing...I wouldnt want to start a franchise with anyone older than Pat Willis.

JPP Id put near the top, same with Clay, great pass-rushers who are very young and still getting better. Ngata, he will be great for a long time still. Definitely not Suggs, Suh or Super Mario.

Eazy Picks 09-18-2012 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjsunstein (Post 3121011)
Have to go Revis just because of the gap between himself and the next best corner. We all see how many passrushers are on here, with that in mind you would still take one over the best cover corner in the league? I'd go Revis then best versatile down lineman, one who play both DE and OLB or DE and DT. The problem with JPP for me is his position is strictly off the edge from a 4-3, thats where hes best. Not knocking him as a player at all but when you're building a D, its something you keep in mind.

Im pretty sure JPP is athletic enough to play 3-4 OLB

tjsunstein 09-18-2012 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eazy Picks (Post 3121028)
Im pretty sure JPP is athletic enough to play 3-4 OLB

Not denying that but a guy like Suggs brings a better package of DE/OLB despite what we may think JPP can do, we know Suggs can play both at an All Pro level.

SeanTaylorRIP 09-18-2012 10:59 PM

For me it's between Ngata and Willis both who will anchor your front 7.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock 09-18-2012 11:00 PM

Darelle Revis- Just put him on the opposing teams number one receiver and let him do this thing

Bert Macklin 09-18-2012 11:12 PM

I'll take literally the most athletic person in the nfl.


Eazy Picks 09-18-2012 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjsunstein (Post 3121050)
Not denying that but a guy like Suggs brings a better package of DE/OLB despite what we may think JPP can do, we know Suggs can play both at an All Pro level.

Suggs is too old to be the guy Id start a franchise with. JPP is young, already elite and still getting better. no contest who id rather have long-term on my team.

MetSox17 09-19-2012 12:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bert Macklin (Post 3121068)
I'll take literally the most athletic person in the nfl.


Not taking anything away from Willis, but he may not even be the most athletic guy on his own team. Vernon Davis is an absolute freak of nature.

As far as this question goes, it's tough, but i'd also go with Revis. All those top guys are elite and the best at their job, but guys of Revis' caliber come around very rarely. Just look at the list of top CBs the past few years. Every different year there is different guys in the top five, but Revis has remained number one. Tough to do that at that position.

diabsoule 09-19-2012 12:12 AM

I'm going with P-Willie. You get the leader of a defense and a beast on D for years to come.

TACKLE 09-19-2012 12:13 AM

I went with Revis. Arguably the most dominant individual player in the league and plays a high value position.

Don't really understand why people are voting for Willis.

MetSox17 09-19-2012 12:19 AM

Yeah, i don't either. There might be ten guys i'd take before i'd go with Willis.

fenikz 09-19-2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bert Macklin (Post 3121068)
I'll take literally the most athletic person in the nfl.


is this one of those times when someone uses the word literally entirely wrong?


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