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Mufasa 11-11-2012 08:35 PM

2012 Individual Defensive Performances
 
There's an unusual amount of defenders playing at an extremely high level this year. Normally there's one or two guys contending for defensive player of the year, but this season there are many players having outstanding years.

-JJ Watt 10.5 sacks

-Von Miller 10 sacks

-Clay Matthews 9 sacks

-DeMarcus Ware 9 sacks

-Tim Jennings 8 INTs

-Charles Tillman 7 FF

And besides just the big stats, all of these guys have been playing their position at an all around high level. When not being compared to each other, any one of these guys could win defensive play of the year without complaint. There are also several other players I didn't name who are having very good years. I don't think I've ever seen a season with so many impressive individual performances from defenders.

Giantsfan1080 11-11-2012 08:50 PM

Are there more passing plays this year compared to the past?

Mufasa 11-11-2012 09:15 PM

Slightly yes, but not a big difference

2012 median team pass attempts: 314 adjusted to 16 games = 558

2011: 549
2010: 541
2009: 543
2006: 523
2003: 520
2000: 542
1997: 529
1994: 522
1991: 497

It's essentially the same as last year, and there wasn't a single player last year that I'd include with these guys.

Giantsfan1080 11-11-2012 09:19 PM

Hmmm very interesting then. Maybe it's the rise of the spread offense in the NFL which leads to easier sacks?

Ness 11-11-2012 09:32 PM

Aldon Smith 9.5 sacks. Yes sir.

descendency 11-11-2012 10:12 PM

It's really JJ Watt and everyone else.

brat316 11-11-2012 10:27 PM

Jennings and Tillman killing it and on the same defense.

Rob S 11-11-2012 10:31 PM

It is JJ and everyone else, but damn can Tillman strip the mother ******* ball.

Mufasa 11-11-2012 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by descendency (Post 3180212)
It's really JJ Watt and everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Rob S (Post 3180229)
It is JJ and everyone else, but damn can Tillman strip the mother ******* ball.

Wasn't meant to be a debate for DPOY, but rather to point out how many defensive players are having great years. Unless Watt does nothing the rest of the way, he probably already wrapped up the award. It's just unfortunate the other guys have to compete with that because they're having DPOY worthy seasons themselves. I'd take all those guys over Suggs' 2011 season.

Really I'm just enjoying watching these guys play. I hate the Bears, but I have a lot of respect for Tillman and it's impressive seeing both him and Jennings playing so well on the same defense. Same with Watt, Miller, Matthews, and Ware, fun to watch what they're doing this year.

Eazy Picks 11-11-2012 11:35 PM

I think this could be the year where defensive player deservedly gets the MVP. None of the QBs are having incredible years like last year.

jth1331 11-12-2012 03:33 PM

I think some people haven't watched much of Von Miller this year.
There was a stat out stating he has 10 sacks, AND 10 run tackles for a loss this year. Plus a couple forced fumbles.
As well, he just completely played an incredible game yesterday. I mean, just wow. He was completely unblockable all day.
How about the 2011 Draft though? Geez, top 3 sackers are from that draft in Watt, Miller and Smith.

cmarq83 11-12-2012 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Eazy Picks (Post 3180271)
I think this could be the year where defensive player deservedly gets the MVP. None of the QBs are having incredible years like last year.

Unfortunately that's not how the league works. Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers will win the MVP award. I wish they would just change the damn name of the award to MDP for most dominant player. That way we could consider more than just 1 position.

Denver Bronco56 11-12-2012 04:06 PM

Yeah Miller has been LIGHTS out this year, i mean not just sacks but he has been used to cover TE's, his run defense has been amazing as i think he is leading the league in TFLs, he was primarily used to mirror Cam Newton yesterday and was outstanding. He has been in my opinion minus the media attention that watt gets because the the swats the best D player in the NFL.

Caulibflower 11-12-2012 04:34 PM

I'm just going to keep throwing the name out there in these kinds of threads because I don't think a lot of people watch Seattle games, but Richard Sherman is already putting himself into that elite tier in his second year. Second in the league right now in passes broken up, and has 4 picks, 3 forced fumbles and a sack to go along with 40 tackles so far. He's just everywhere, and is a really solid tackler along with his ball skills and overall playmaking ability. There are only a few cornerbacks in this league who lay the wood like Richard Sherman. (One of them starts across from him, but I'll leave it at that.)

brat316 11-12-2012 04:52 PM

Sherman could be another great physical corner in a year. But right now with Jennings and Tillman he is an after thought. Or else you are right 7 turnovers is great.

Eazy Picks 11-12-2012 06:37 PM

[quote=cmarq83;3180738]Unfortunately that's not how the league works. Peyton Manning or Aaron Rodgers will win the MVP award. I wish they would just change the damn name of the award to MDP for most dominant player. That way we could consider more than just 1 position.[/QUOTE


youre probably right, but for arguments sake, think about how important Watt is to the Texans. Theyre 8-1 right now and have had big wins over the Ravens and Bears, and there is no questioning he is the most important player on the team. Not only does he lead the league in sacks, by far most PD for any DL or LB (hes in the top 10 for christ sike), lots of TFL, but he also has several tipped passes that have resulted in huge interceptions going the other way, and in important moments. I could argue nobody has been more important to their team's success, even ROdgers or Manning. But yes youre right the MVP will probably be one of those two...But if Watt or Tillman or somebody else actually keeps up their current pace, I would like to see someone else get some votes....Also Peterson should be on the short list for MVP. Him v Manning for CPOY will be a good race.

gpngc 11-12-2012 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower (Post 3180757)
I'm just going to keep throwing the name out there in these kinds of threads because I don't think a lot of people watch Seattle games, but Richard Sherman is already putting himself into that elite tier in his second year. Second in the league right now in passes broken up, and has 4 picks, 3 forced fumbles and a sack to go along with 40 tackles so far. He's just everywhere, and is a really solid tackler along with his ball skills and overall playmaking ability. There are only a few cornerbacks in this league who lay the wood like Richard Sherman. (One of them starts across from him, but I'll leave it at that.)

Co-sign. He just abuses people. How did he fall to the 5th round? He's a very smart dude with no character issues that I'm aware of. How did Harbaugh not take him in the 3rd? Or has he just improved so much in the NFL?

G Mobile 11-13-2012 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gpngc (Post 3180863)
Co-sign. He just abuses people. How did he fall to the 5th round? He's a very smart dude with no character issues that I'm aware of. How did Harbaugh not take him in the 3rd? Or has he just improved so much in the NFL?

Sherman only played 2 years at CB after converting from WR and frankly he just wasn't that great in college. He was played off when he is really should have been close to the line. He has probably just developed a lot at his CB skills that he just didn't have in college. He was more appealing as a height/weight/speed guy coming out to me. Getting a lot of starting experience as a rookie was invaluable.

Caulibflower 11-13-2012 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by gpngc (Post 3180863)
Co-sign. He just abuses people. How did he fall to the 5th round? He's a very smart dude with no character issues that I'm aware of. How did Harbaugh not take him in the 3rd? Or has he just improved so much in the NFL?

Probably because he didn't really look like he knew what he was doing at cornerback - he was a wide receiver playing in the secondary, and looked like it. Doesn't mean he was timid or anything, but that his playing style was really all about tracking the ball and knowing where the ball is, but didn't have much technique at all. Really played cornerback pretty much like a game of 500-up. But if you want anyone doing that, it's gotta be the guy who compiled 73 receptions for over 1200 yards and 7 TDs as a freshman and sophomore wide receiver, and the fact that he basically averaged 40 tackles, 3 picks and a dozen pass breakups between his two years starting at corner just says "athlete" to me. But quite honestly, it does seem a bit absurd that someone like Trumaine Johnson can go in the second round while Sherman slid to the 5th, despite a superior college resume, not to mention superior measurables. He even had a couple punt return TDs in college. Anywho. Happens all the time. the NFL Draft is an art, not a science, yada yada yada...

Ness 11-13-2012 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Eazy Picks (Post 3180271)
I think this could be the year where defensive player deservedly gets the MVP. None of the QBs are having incredible years like last year.

I'd say Matt Ryan is a prime candidate for the award. Drew Brees can still win it too if the Saints get on a roll. Both are having great seasons.

49ersfan_87 11-14-2012 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ness (Post 3180145)
Aldon Smith 9.5 sacks. Yes sir.

He's a good player but i don't think he's on the same tier as guys like Von Miller and JJ Watt. At least not yet. Those guys are basically playing at elite levels, Aldon is playing at a very good level. His run defense has really improved this year though and he's more comfortable all around as a Linebacker.

niel89 11-14-2012 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 49ersfan_87 (Post 3181922)
He's a good player but i don't think he's on the same tier as guys like Von Miller and JJ Watt. At least not yet. Those guys are basically playing at elite levels, Aldon is playing at a very good level. His run defense has really improved this year though and he's more comfortable all around as a Linebacker.

Aldon is a great young player but that last game makes me wonder how many of his sacks come off that stunt where Justin Smith just pulls that guard in and Aldon just loops around.

Ness 11-14-2012 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by niel89 (Post 3181933)
Aldon is a great young player but that last game makes me wonder how many of his sacks come off that stunt where Justin Smith just pulls that guard in and Aldon just loops around.

Meh. Still takes a great player to get it done. Manny Lawson had Justin Smith at his side for a while and didn't do ****.

From what I've seen, it's a mixed bag. Having Justin Smith helps, but Aldon Smith sometimes goes around the left tackle and bursts up the inside and gets it done. Or he just bull rushes a dude over like he did against the Rams last season. Here, he beats his man one on one.


49ersfan_87 11-14-2012 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by niel89 (Post 3181933)
Aldon is a great young player but that last game makes me wonder how many of his sacks come off that stunt where Justin Smith just pulls that guard in and Aldon just loops around.

He definitely benefits from Justin but Tim Ryan was just exaggerating with that 80%. Actually surprised he would say something like that. I haven't done a tally of all his sacks, just going off the top of my head right now.

Seamus2602 11-14-2012 05:50 AM

I'm just surprised that Tim "10 yard cushion/15 Yard Penalty" Jennings has developed into an All-Pro/border line DPOTY type player.


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