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49erNation85 12-08-2012 08:01 PM

2012 Heisman winner is
 
Johnny Manzel

texas A&M Aggies



Your thoughts?


I was hoping that Manti'eo would get but meh QB over rules every other position I guess.

Don Vito 12-08-2012 08:04 PM

JMFF Ft ******* Win

jrdrylie 12-08-2012 08:08 PM

They should just change this to the top offensive player. Nothing against Manziel, but Te'o deserved this. He was the heart and soul of the top ranked team. He won games for his team, which is difficult for a pure defensive player. Johnny Football was more exciting to watch, but I think Te'o was a bit more "outstanding." If he can't win it, no defensive player can.

vidae 12-08-2012 08:11 PM

I completely disagree. The best football player in the country all year was Johnny Football.

Brent 12-08-2012 08:12 PM

Johnny ******* Football

FUNBUNCHER 12-08-2012 08:16 PM

A defensive player can win it IMO but they're going to need a bigger season statistically than Teo had.
Suppose Manti also had 15 sacks, 20-30 TFL and oh, 6-10 defensive TDs by himself this year, then I would have been more open to him winning.

His 2012 season just wasn't spectacular enough to overtake your standard Heisman QB candidate.

Don Vito 12-08-2012 08:19 PM

Te'o had a great year but this was JMFF's trophy.

Ness 12-08-2012 08:22 PM

Congratulations Johnny Manziel.

descendency 12-08-2012 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrdrylie (Post 3205259)
They should just change this to the top offensive player. Nothing against Manziel, but Te'o deserved this. He was the heart and soul of the top ranked team. He won games for his team, which is difficult for a pure defensive player. Johnny Football was more exciting to watch, but I think Te'o was a bit more "outstanding." If he can't win it, no defensive player can.

The problem for Teo is that his biggest moments were routine tackles. Yes, they were in a crucial situation, but heisman moments tend to be 80 yard runs with stiff arms at the end to win a game or a huge pick six or something. Teo had 0 touchdowns.

It's the biggest reason why no OL will ever sniff the award.

jrdrylie 12-08-2012 08:26 PM

I think being second in the country in interceptions as a linebacker is pretty outstanding. Yeah, it would have been nice if he had a few more sacks, but that isn't their defense.

I think Clowney may have a chance next year. 15+ sacks in the SEC, some of those being strip-sacks, maybe pick a few up for TDs could do it, but even then I doubt it. QBs are just so much sexier.

Nalej 12-08-2012 08:28 PM

I gave up expecting a defensive player to do it when Suh didn't win it. Teo never had a chance imo

Don Vito 12-08-2012 08:28 PM

I think Clowney brings it home next year if healthy. Will have as much hype as any DL we've ever seen going into next season and will back it up unless he gets hurt.

TACKLE 12-08-2012 08:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrdrylie (Post 3205259)
Nothing against Manziel, but Te'o deserved this. He was the heart and soul of the top ranked team. He won games for his team, which is difficult for a pure defensive player. Johnny Football was more exciting to watch, but I think Te'o was a bit more "outstanding." If he can't win it, no defensive player can.

I'm sorry but this is just incorrect. It's silly that Te'o finished 2nd let alone went to New York. Te'o wasn't even the best defensive player this season let alone best overall player. And it's not like Manziel just won it by default either. He was amazing this season and probably would have won more decisively if the hype train for him started earlier.

Complex 12-08-2012 08:56 PM

Te'o is like the 3rd best player on his own D behind Nix and probably Truitt.

Lee and Clowney were the best players this year.

P-L 12-08-2012 08:56 PM

There wasn't this much outrage when Suh finished 4th a few years ago, and he was way more deserving than Te'o.

brat316 12-08-2012 09:03 PM

Suh should have won it.

FUNBUNCHER 12-08-2012 09:11 PM

If Nebraska had been undefeated that season, I think there would have been a greater push for Suh to win it.

Mark Ingram and Toby Gerhart were really outstanding in 2010, so it's hard to say Suh got shafted.

Babylon 12-08-2012 09:18 PM

So how does Manziel translate his game to the NFL after next season. Is he RGIII or Russell Wilson.

It appears likely he could be the top pick for 2014.

descendency 12-08-2012 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babylon (Post 3205339)
So how does Manziel translate his game to the NFL after next season. Is he RGIII or Russell Wilson.

It appears likely he could be the top pick for 2014.

Not a fan of him in the NFL. He reminds me of a Ty Detmer kind of player.

Docta 12-08-2012 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Babylon (Post 3205339)
So how does Manziel translate his game to the NFL after next season. Is he RGIII or Russell Wilson.

It appears likely he could be the top pick for 2014.

Manziel's season was a product of his OC. Case Keenum was in the same system. They'd probably just move JM to RB in the NFL.

descendency 12-08-2012 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Docta (Post 3205343)
Manziel's season was a product of his OC. Case Keenum was in the same system. They'd probably just move JM to RB in the NFL.

It could also be a product of having a top 3 OL in college football.

P-L 12-08-2012 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER (Post 3205332)
If Nebraska had been undefeated that season, I think there would have been a greater push for Suh to win it.

Mark Ingram and Toby Gerhart were really outstanding in 2010, so it's hard to say Suh got shafted.

Johnny Football was really outstanding in 2012, so it's hard to say Te'o got shafted.

Serious question: If Manti Te'o played for an undefeated Texas A&M team and Johnny Football played for a 10-2 Notre Dame, does anyone think Te'o would've been a finalist?

descendency 12-08-2012 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-L (Post 3205356)
Johnny Football was really outstanding in 2012, so it's hard to say Te'o got shafted.

Serious question: If Manti Te'o played for an undefeated Texas A&M team and Johnny Football played for a 10-2 Notre Dame, does anyone think Te'o would've been a finalist?

If Teo was a RS Freshman and Johnny Manziel was a Senior, would the vote have been close? Would Teo have even been in NY?

regoob2 12-08-2012 09:35 PM

Pretty disappointed by this. Teo was far more deserving imo.

This just brings the trophy down a notch for me.

jrdrylie 12-08-2012 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P-L (Post 3205356)
Johnny Football was really outstanding in 2012, so it's hard to say Te'o got shafted.

Serious question: If Manti Te'o played for an undefeated Texas A&M team and Johnny Football played for a 10-2 Notre Dame, does anyone think Te'o would've been a finalist?

An undefeated SEC team? Te'o wins it going away.

As for Johnny in the NFL? He is undersized and doesn't have a great arm. I can't see him succeeding in the NFL.


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