2013 NFL Draft Thread
With the new coach bringing in an attacking offense and most likely a 3-4 attacking defense, this is who I would like the Browns to target with each of their picks. (I'm including the 7th rounder that they will likely receive from the Eagles for that training camp trade)
Round 1, Pick 6:
Jarvis Jones, OLB, Georgia
- Jones may end up going 2nd or 5th overall to the Jaguars or the Lions. But I think ultimately he will end up being available at the 6th pick. Jones will immediately step in and play opposite of Jabaal Sheard at OLB. Sheard's primary duty will be to rush the passer, while Jones will play a jack-of-all-trades position. This could be a deadly combination on third down if Sheard can make the transition.
Round 3, Pick 6:
Blidi Wreh-Wilson, CB, UConn
- Wreh-Wilson has the size (6-0, 190) and the athleticism (4.45) of a quality starter. Hopefully the Browns resign and try Brown at FS. Wreh-Wilson could jump in opposite of Haden and allow Skrine to strictly play nickel, where he is decent (while horrible on an island).
Round 4, Pick 7:
J.C. Tretter, OG, Cornell
- A small school prospect who is rising up boards. He started as a Tight End and has put on over 65 lbs of mass, but in the NFL he will need to get stronger. He could start out as a great pulling technician to help the run game out, while providing good pass protection.
Round 5, Pick 6:
Michael Williams, TE, Alabama
Williams has the size and experience to develop into a great blocking Tight End. He is underrated as a pass catcher, but this pick would essentially be for Double Tight sets with Cameron as the primary receiver and Williams as a blocking counterpart.
Round 6, Pick 7:
Rontez Miles, FS, California (PA)
- This guy looks the part with decent size and athleticism. He is a fearless, big hitter across the middle, but he will have to adjust to the athleticism in the NFL.
Round 7, Pick 4 (From Eagles):
Ryan Allen, P, Louisiana Tech
- I am sick of the sub par punting over the past couple of years. Hodges needs to go, and the Browns need to try to get either Allen or Quinn Sharp in the 7th. There looks to be three draftable Punters in this year's class, and the Jaguars proved that a rookie punter can step in and be a force in field position (the Jags just couldn't do anything else right)
Round 7, Pick 6
Marquise Goodwin, WR, Texas
- Goodwin is a phenomenal athlete qualifying for the Olympics in the long jump (over 27 feet, which is amazing considering he is 5-9, and he ran a 10.24 100m dash). With Goodwin and Benjamin on special teams and using him sporadically in four or five wide sets, the Browns would truly be a vertical team.
Jarvis would be nice if he can get past the doctors. His medical situation will ultimately decide his draft fate. For me, it is far too early in the draft process to get any kind of read on rounds 2-7.
Cudders, hope you don't mind, but I wanted to repost this here to help get this discussion going.
Mingo vs Jordan is a great debate. Someone brought this up in the draft forum and it was pitched. Because the skill sets are so identical I think it comes down to intangibles. now we get to speculate who Lombardi would like more.
Going by some Lombardi comments, I think he thinks WR is a position of need. He mentioned after the Skins game that no one could win 1 on 1 on the outside. Tony Pauline also commented recently that he thought the Browns would look at WR after their first pick. At OG, Greco stepped in and really played better then Pinkston. I think the former 3rd rounder might have found himself a long term starting position. And I haven't heard much on the med status of Pinkston but potentially he's still in future plans.
Steelers are well over the cap and CB Lewis will demand big money imo. That would be a great signing. And Mallett? I was a big fan when he came out. He's humbled himself to a degree in New England and we haven't heard anything negative out of him as yet. I figured he'd go for a conditional 14' pick-a 2nd rounder with the chance of it becoming a 1st. But your right, BB could use more choices in this draft.
I was holding off comment on Blidi Wreh-Wilson until I saw him at senior practices. He really struggled but then looked very good in the game. Still not sold on him.
My most recent mock went something like this...
1. Dion Jordan /OLB/ Oregon
It's close but right now I side more on Jordan then Mingo. I just didn't like the way Mingo looked against quality OTs for most of the year. But really, I could go either way. Jordan makes plays all over the field, looking like a 6'7 safety at times. Mingo has shown more physicality though. I don't think Lombardi or Banner would be comfortable with Jones.
3. Stedman Bailey /WR/ West Virginia
Huge fan of Bailey since last season and if he makes it to the 3rd, I think he's a steal. Despite his size he's extremely physical at the los. I loved the way he physically beat up Mo Claiborne last year on running plays.
4. Duke Williams /FS/ Nevada
Hadn't watched any Nevada games this season but was intrigued by this guy in Mobile. Watched a couple games of his since and I like him. Reminds me a little of Brian Dawkins.
5. Brad Wing /P/ LSU
Wasn't Hodges in or almost in the pro bowl his first year starting? what happened?
6. Adrien Bushell /CB/ Louisville
Stood out to me when I watched them vs UConn. Followed him a little more and liked what I saw.
7. Matt Stankiewitch /OC/ Penn State
Another guy who flashed when I watched them play. I've always considered Mack a little overrated and he's due a new contract after this season. It wouldn't surprise me if he's not resigned.
Teammate of Wreh-Wilson would be a perfect fit in Horton's defense.
Sio Moore /ILB/ UConn
Followed him and OLB Trevardo Willliams most of the year. He looked very good at the Shrine and Senior practices and games. He looks like a type that could fill a similar role as Daryl Washington, especially as a blitzer.
And, as stated, he knows he needs to succeed here in order to land a job as a head coach. So I donít doubt his motivation to excel. Undermining Chud would be counterproductive. After reading a transcript of their dual-press conference, Iím inclined to chalk it up as a miscommunication. Horton said itís going to be an attacking, multi-front defense. Like the Cardinals. Or the Steelers. It appears the ďissueĒ stemmed from a differing definition of terminologies.
With regard to Jordan, I think he profiles better as a 4-3 SAM. Reminds me some of Lawson in that regard. Right now, I like him in that role quite a bit. The thing that worries me most about Jordan is weight. Iíve read reports that his weight dropped down to 226 lbs. during the season, so Iím not sure what kind of growth potential his frame can support. Thatís something the scouting staff will have to do their homework on. Adding and maintaining healthy weight can be a persistent problem for these hypermetabolic athletes. I donít love the prospect of an edge-setter that light against NFL tackles. I do love his coverage potential though. And his length and explosion could pose serious problems as a blitzer if utilized in a creative scheme. But I need to watch more cut-ups of him.
In general, Iím just a fan of attacking areas of a football team in the draft. In this draft, I would target improvement in the running game. Thereís a sizeable investment in Trent Richardson. Norv Turner likes to lean on a reliable running game. A running game helps whoeverís at quarterback and frees up a vertical passing game. The running game was deficient in doses because of shield-blockers starting along the interior. Give me a mauling guard, an in-line tight end, and a rejuvenated Richardson and letís see what kind of progress we can make on the ground.
Mallett fell because teams pegged him as an immature kid with potential drug abuse issues. His arm talent grades out much, much higher than a third-round level. Now, the million-dollar question is whether heís recovered from those labels and their stigma.
As referenced, the hope is that his freefall in the draft and backup duties have been humbling experiences. Mallettís spent two seasons in a strict culture. I donít know how his mentoring has been handled, but itís possible heís learned from one of the greatest of all-time through osmosis alone. Observing work habits, listening in the classroom, watching defensive patterns on the sideline, etc. If the management team is confident heís grown as a person, his position and upside make him a worthwhile risk.
Iíve heard rumblings about bringing Alex Smith into the organization. I donít know if I see it. I understand his ties to Norv, but Mallett is a stronger fit for Clevelandís profile. I think Smith is better than a good chunk of starting quarterbacks in the NFL because heís careful and smart. I just donít see the vertical-centric skill set that the new staff claims to covet that would make him a viable option here.
The reason I would want Jordan is for what he would do for passing defense in its entirety. He probably will never be a 10+ sack guy, but if you put him opposite of a pure rush backer like Sheard, Jordan is perfect as a pass rusher/coverage backer combination. Jordan's zone/man coverage skills are excellent for a guy his size, and would really help counter the athletic Tight End craze.
I've been pulling for Brad Wing and Michael Williams, but both will likely be taken in Round 5. The punting has been terrible for two years and Wing could step in and become a Top 10 punter immediately, maybe even Top 5. Williams would provide a great compliment to Cameron and has potential to become one of the top blocking TE's in the league. Either would be fantastic in Round 5.
Also I really hope the Browns pass on taking a WR in this draft. They should pick up a decent slot receiver in Free Agency. The two best case scenarios would be Danny Amendola or Greg Jennings. Both come with injury concerns and would probably become over-payed the minute they sign the contract, but I would like the aggressive move by the Front Office.
just some random things...
Sheard is not a great pass rusher. I don't know why so many analysts have him as the primary pass rusher in Horton's scheme. This past season, I think it's safe to say he was better on run defense.
And I'm not a fan of signing Paul Kruger to a big contract. He's not a top tier pass rusher. He's a lot like Jarrett Johnson in the Ravens scheme. He had a playoffs full of splash sacks and now he's being considered a big time OLB/DE. He's playing across from a former league defensive MVP in Suggs. Kruger/Sheard would be solid but definitely not special.
A lot of mocks have the Browns going CB with the first pick. I don't like taking Milliner at #6. Even if he eventually becomes a great player, he'll have his growing pains as a young player. He won't play as good as Brown did last year as a rookie. I think it makes much more sense to go with a solid FA CB, who's proven and in his prime. (Keenan Lewis)We don't have to project how a guy may or may not pan out and we get a solid CB for the next 4-5 seasons.
I disagree that Jordan won't be a 10+ sack guy. His problem is strength and technique (which is readily fixable) but he's got elite first step quickness and bend.
I'd like to see us make a play in FA for TE Fred Davis and WR Danario Alexander. Both carry some injury concerns but each were the best rec threats on their teams when 100% healthy. They might not be as coveted this off season because of the injury issues. It's well worth the risk. The Browns offfense needs more playmakers and experienced talent would help more then adding more rookies.
Right now, I'm favoring E.J. Manuel as a high upside guy to groom behind Weeden. It would be wasteful to replace Weeden after his rookie season. Give him an opportunity to start his 2nd season and see how much progress he makes with a better system and staff. He could be a valuable bargaining chip if a developing player like Manuel really shows promise.
My Browns draft right now looks like...
1. Dion Jordan OLB Oregon
2. E.J. Manuel QB FSU
3. Duke Williams FS Nevada
4. Bruce Taylor ILB Virginia Tech
5. Quinn Sharp P Oklahoma State
6. Chris Thompson RB FSU
I hope you guys don't mind me chiming in on your board...
I like Jordan more than either Jones or Mingo. I think he does have the frame to play at #245. He has the athleticism to do anything you ask of him. More than anything, he has extremely uncommon coverage skills for a guy with his height & stature. I think that, with the evolution of the TE in the passing game, a similar movement will follow with linebackers...I call it the Coverbacker. Fast enough to handle a RB or WR (in short spaces) yet big enough to cover a TE on seam routes. Additionally, has all the tools to go the other way and rush the passer. A huge matchup problem for OC's, rather than the other way around.
Trust me on this one, you don't want Danario Alexander. It isn't a matter of him being "injury prone." His knee is permanenly injured, and he plays when it allows him to. He will never actually be healthy. This is really frustrating because you can never know what you can count on. He is a great fit for a team like Jacksonville, a team that will never invest heavily in their receiving corps.
I like Kruger a lot. He definitely benefitted from playing opposite Suggs, but not as much as some guys in the past, such as the guy in Minnesota who made a Pro Bowl opposite Jared Allen only to stink it up when he left. One thing you can always depend on with Kruger is that his motor never quits. I don't know if I would give him a huge contract, but he is more deserving of $8 million a year than a lot of guys out there.
I like Mike Williams too, but I think he is more of a 6th-7th rounder. It will depend a lot on what he runs. I love those big blockers, though. He looked more athletic that I thought he would at the Senior Bowl, and caught a beautiful TD pass from Manuel.
I've looked more at E.J. Manuel recently trying to confirm that he's a high upside guy and I'm coming away more disappointed. The tools are there but he lacks the mindset to go and try and take over a game. He's entirely too passive. In FSU's biggest rivalry games, against Miami and Florida, he really shrunk in the moment.
If recent rumors are true that Tyler Wilson might drop into the 3rd, and Lombardi is intent on getting a QB, then he's our guy.
I'm all for high upside, raw pass rushers who are athletic freaks but didn't produce a ton in college. They seem to work out a lot. Jason Pierre-Paul, Aldon Smith, Chandler Jones being the 3 best recent examples, maybe Robert Quinn too. So....I'm all for Dion Jordan at #6, or Ezekiel Ansah if not him. Both of these guys are huge 6-6 outside pass rushers with closing speed and athleticism to fit in any system.
Of course if we don't go DE/OLB, obiviously Dee Milliner at #6 would be a no brainer. Big, super fast, long shutdown cornerback at Alabama who would be a great compliment to Haden.
I like the prospects of getting a good safety, WR, or guard in round 3. This is a deep draft at safety and WR, and I think it's pretty deep at OG too.
Cudders, have you given up on Weeden?
And I also think you make a great point about TRich. They drafted him high so they should concentrate on their running game to make it a strength. Could Warmack or Cooper be a good pick in the first round?
So, the rumor mill is churning. Reports circulating that Lombardi loves Geno Smith. Even told a South Florida radio station that he believes Smith is worth the number one overall pick when he was an NFL Network pundit. Donít know if he was pandering to a hometown kid at the time, but I tend to believe thereís substance behind these rumors.
Iíve watched a few games of Smith. Heís a prospect with a wild streak. Itís a little frustrating to watch. When that West Virginia offense is firing, he looks like a world-beater. When it struggles, his limitations are brought to the forefront. Iíve got three main issues with him.
First, progressions. Heís a deficient frontside-to-backside passer. This is a tough one. Often, that offense cuts the field and runs complementing route combinations to win separation. Itís a common college concept. So Geno is just executing offensive directives when heís throwing frontside. But when heís forced to throw the ball elsewhere, he is robotic moving to the backside and validating it. Not fluid through his reads. Thatís the evaluation. Now, itís important to find the subtext. WHY was Geno a deficient frontside-to-backside passer? Option A is Geno wasnít asked to do it, so the coaches didnít devote much time to it. The job of an NCAA coach isnít to prepare prospects for the NFL. Itís to win football games for their school. Thereís a taxing time constraint at the college level that doesnít exist for professionals. Perhaps Holgorsen felt that his time with Smith was best allocated in other focus areas. You canít fault someone for something thatís never been taught to them. Option B is Geno might have been coached some, but still struggles with the post-snap validation of a pre-snap read thatís not to the side of his primaries. Again, find the subtext. Is it an issue of low reps? Is it an issue of ineffective coaching techniques? It is an issue that Geno is cognizant of and working to correct? Not all college quarterbacks are Andrew Luck. Some need a little more seasoning. Thatís not a problem. Option C is Geno just might not be able to process a multitude of concepts at chaotic in-game speeds. And thatís the killer one.
Second, transitional footwork. Heís not a glider. Heís a bouncer. It chops and slows his drop. On a timing-based throw in the NFL, thatís disastrous. Also, his tendencies to bounce raise issues in the pocket, too. It lengthens re-set time. The best quarterbacks use short steps to keep a balanced, consistent base. The ball can come out quicker. With Smith, his base is unbalanced and inconsistent. When linebackers and linemen rush to their spot, the quarterback needs to get off it or get rid of it.
Third, pressure. This one is tied to the second. The longer the re-set, the quicker the pocket gets clipped, the tighter the throw becomes. He was able to escape some pressure wobblers in college because of gaping windows. The coverage, closing speed, and ball skills of an NFL defensive back is different. Thatís where the coaching needs to start. Correcting the feet. It starts from the base up. Heís got natural, quick feet. It depends on whether heís willing to work at it. It can take thousands of reps to fix.
From what Iíve heard, Genoís work ethic is tireless. Thatís a bonus. His idea of cutting loose after a win was preparing for next week. Thatís a bonus. Coaches love when their quarterbacks are their hardest workers because much of that position is mental. Genoís fate will be decided in interview rooms. Both when teams interview him and teams interview former coaches and teammates. Thatís where teams will get the best feel for what he was asked to do, how much he knows, how much he needs to learn, how well he learns, how driven he is, how he interacts with his teammates, how he interacts with his coaches, etc. Charles Davis suggested at the Combine that West Virginia coaches were frustrated that he didnít run more often. Thatís something that will be brought up. Is neglecting his athleticism a conscious decision? Was he ignoring the expressed wishes of his coaches? If Geno checks out in those meetings, it wouldnít surprise me if heís the pick. That said, Iím unconvinced that heís there at six. I think Oakland will be quite interested at three. Heís a similar prospect to Aaron Rodgers, so Iím sure Reggie McKenzieís interest is piqued at least.
Other than Geno, and assuming Ansah is gone, I have our big board looking something like:
1.) Dion Jordan | ROLB | Oregon | 6-6 ľ, 248 lbs, 4.60 (1.57 Split)
Iím a Jordan ďconvertĒ. I love his ceiling and skill set. I donít love the reports of being 226 lbs. during the season, but Oregon pushes a torrid pace in practice and Jordan was dealing with a torn labrum, too. If the trainers believed he could manage his weight on an NFL training regimen, his athleticism and length and experience in space gives him the edge.
2.) Barkevious Mingo | ROLB | LSU | 6-4 ľ, 241 lbs, 4.58 (1.55 Split)
Still a bigger fan of Mingo than most. I think this kid is a strict 3-4 OLB. His explosiveness is much better out of a two-point stance. Isolating him from LSUís scheme, heís got a lot of the translatable tools weíre looking for in a rush linebacker. Growth potential is just as concerning as Jordan.
3.) Chance Warmack | LG | Alabama | 6-2, 317 lbs, 5.49 (1.83 Split)
Adding Chance solidifies the left side of the line. Thomas / Warmack / Mack is as good as there is. Three Pro Bowl-caliber linemen. Warmack upgrades the left sideís punch in the running game. And a pass-protecting line of Thomas / Warmack / Mack / Greco / Schwartz goes far in keeping a quarterback clean. Lot of blue-chippers there.
4.) Jonathan Cooper | LG | North Carolina | 6-2 ⅛, 311 lbs, 5.07 (1.73 Split)
See above for Warmack.
5.) Xavier Rhodes | CB | Florida St. | 6-1 Ĺ, 210 lbs, 4.43 (1.47 Split)
If we dip into the free agent market for a pass rusher, we have the chance to add a corner opposite Haden. At this point, I value Rhodes over Milliner. Love Rhodesí blend of size, speed, and strength. Love his length. Superior positioning skills. I donít know if Iíd take Milliner in the top ten. I think heís overrated. Iíd consider Rhodes at six.
And, if we decide to leverage one of the left tackles or pass rushers into a trade down to pick up more picks in the depth of the draft, two mid-first prospects to target:
1.) Tyler Eifert | TE | Notre Dame | 6-5 Ĺ, 250 lbs, 4.68 (1.66 Split)
I think heís the best tight end in this class and it isnít even close. Love the hands, the catching radius, the jump-ball abilities, the athleticism, the improvement as a blocker, etc. Both Chud and Norv come from tight end backgrounds. The tight end is an evolving mismatch. Eifert profiles as a big-time weapon for the Browns. His value just isnít tied to the areas weíre picking.
2.) D.J. Fluker | RG | Alabama | 6-4 ⅝, 339 lbs, 5.31 (1.83 Split)
I think Flukerís got the skill set to kick inside to guard. Heís got massive mauling potential in that role. Not as polished as Warmack or Cooper, but the raw talent and upside is evident.
(Note: A mid-to-late round guard that Iím intrigued with is Edmund Kugbila from Valdosta State. Moved from Africa to United States. Started football in junior high. Received scholarship offers from Alabama, Florida, and Georgia, but didnít meet admission standards. Good size, long arms, decent movement skills. Appears to be a promising project.)
And, as I said, Iíd consider them quite a bit. Even harder if itís a trade down scenario.
Great breakdown. I wouldn't be upset with Smith at #6 but I don't like the thought of completely bailing on Weeden, not just yet. I'd wager rumored interest is an attempt to stir a trade up for him if he's there.
Latest Browns mock..
1. Cleveland Browns – Dion Jordan /OLB-DE/ Oregon:
Jarvis Jones is the perfect scheme fit but I think Lombardi/Banner won’t take the risk. Jordan’s got a similar skill set to previous busts like Jarvis Moss-Aaron Maybin, but I think his experience and ability in space separates him. It’s also remarkable that he put up such a solid season while playing half of it with that torn labrum. Had he stayed healthy, he'd have even more buzz. NFL comp. Julian Peterson (with 4 more inches)
3. Cleveland Browns - Duke Williams /S/ Nevada: (4.41) (1.50 split)
Browns have a great big hole at FS. Williams actually reminds me a little of Brian Dawkins.
4. Cleveland Browns – Jordan Reed* /TE/ Florida:
Might start creating buzz after the combine. An underrated guy that would be a steal in the 4th. NFL Comp. Aaron Hernandez
5. Cleveland Browns - Kevin Reddick /ILB/ North Carolina:
Solid but unspectacular inside LB does a little bit of everything.
latest and greatest....EDIT
1 -12. TRADE Cleveland Browns (MIA) – Tyler Eifert /TE/ Notre Dame:
It's clear with the pursuit of Fred Davis that the Browns FO doesn't see Jordan Cameron as the guy at receiving TE. Chudzinski's offense revolves around the TEs to the degree that he's contemplating stitching K2 back together for a reunion. "Eifert is underrated and I think his stock will soar as the draft gets closer-starting with the combine." -Check. NFL Comp. Jason Witten
2 -24. TRADE Cleveland Browns (MIA) – Tyrann Mathieu* /CB/ LSU:
If he showed the same awareness and humility in team interviews he showed on NFLN, he’s going to get some team execs table banging for him. Possibly the best CB out of this class. NFL Comp. Brent Grimes
3 -6. Cleveland Browns – Duke Williams /S/ Nevada:
Browns have a great big hole at FS. Williams actually reminds me a little of Brian Dawkins. NFL Comp. Ryan Clark
*previous Jordan Reed
4 -7. Cleveland Browns – Tyler Wilson /QB/ Arkansas:
Wilson’s small hands and the beating he took as a senior are looking like deal breakers for his stock. The team that eventually drafts him is going to get a big steal. NFL comp. Matt Hasselbeck
5 -6. Cleveland Browns – Cobi Hamilton /WR/ Arkansas:
Huge fan of Hamilton. He was unstoppable for the Razorbacks this past season. NFL Comp. Denarius Moore
6 -5 Cleveland Browns - Earl Watford /OG/ James Madison:
Showed impressive movement skills at the combine.
6 -7 Cleveland Browns - Brett Maher /K-P/ Nebraska:
Dual kicking threat is a all round solid.
I also love Mathieu but he's a 3/4 th rounder at best considering his drug issues. Very talented guy but with a high drug bust issue.
The rest of the draft I like.
Austin is 5'8" and 174lbs. There is no way he can play RB in the NFL, end around on occassion but that is about it. He has great explosion and if he were 6'1", 200lbs., he would be a top 5 pick but he isn't and we saw last year with Wilson, that if you are small, you won't get picked high in the draft no matter how talented you are.
FWIW 2013 12 questions draft game. copy/paste-answer. :0
1. If you were GM, the player you covet most for the Browns at #6, would be? Sheldon Richardson If you could trade back to #11, your first choice there would be? same
2. If the guy you covet most at #6 is off the board, your 2nd choice would be? Tyler Eifert.
3. Who would you absolutely not want the Browns to pick at #6? Dee Milliner
4. If the Browns could trade back and pick up a 2nd rounder, say #45, who would your first choice there be? Tyrann Mathieu And first choice at #68? Shamarko Thomas
5. Who do you think is the most overrated draft prospect regarded as a first rounder? Xavier Rhodes
6. Who do you think is the most underrated guy still regarded as a first round pick? Datone Jones
7. Which prospect will be a first round bust? Kiki Mingo
8. If you had to pick one prospect, that you see becoming a sure fire star, it would be? Sheldon Richardson
9. Which guy not regarded as a first round pick right now do you see as becoming a future star? Tyrann Mathieu
10. Which projected mid to late round guy do you see as a diamond in the rough? Tyler Wilson
11. What current guy on the roster do you think will have a breakout season in 13'? Craig Robertson
12. What current guy on the roster do you think will have disappointing 13' season? Phil Taylor
FWIW 2013 12 questions draft game. copy/paste-answer. :0
1. If you were GM, the player you covet most for the Browns at #6, would be? Dion Jordan If you could trade back to #11, your first choice there would be? Tavon Austin
2. If the guy you covet most at #6 is off the board, your 2nd choice would be? Dee Milliner.
3. Who would you absolutely not want the Browns to pick at #6? Ziggy Ansah
4. If the Browns could trade back and pick up a 2nd rounder, say #45, who would your first choice there be? Robert Woods And first choice at #68? Shamarko Thomas
5. Who do you think is the most overrated draft prospect regarded as a first rounder? Ziggy Ansah
6. Who do you think is the most underrated guy still regarded as a first round pick? Sylvester Williams
7. Which prospect will be a first round bust? Ziggy Ansah
8. If you had to pick one prospect, that you see becoming a sure fire star, it would be? Luke Joeckel
9. Which guy not regarded as a first round pick right now do you see as becoming a future star? Kyle Long
10. Which projected mid to late round guy do you see as a diamond in the rough? Luke Marquardt
11. What current guy on the roster do you think will have a breakout season in 13'? Josh Gordon
12. What current guy on the roster do you think will have disappointing 13' season? Greg Little
Two days away and I'm trying to figure out what we'll do at 6. It's getting clearer, but still I really have no idea what we'll do with that pick.
This is the likely top 4 (if not in this order, then definitely these 4 players at least):
1-KC-Joeckel (or Fisher)
2-JAC-Fisher (or Joeckel)
now Johnson could go 4th but I doubt it. What Detroit does at 5 would then hold the key to our pick. If they go Ansah which there is a lot of rumor that they would in this scenario, then Johnson falls to 6 and we can (and I think will) trade down with a team like Miami or San Diego. If Detroit takes Johnson, then we take the top player on our board.
Now say we are picking at 6 and Johnson is gone. We are stuck most likely and have to pick probably between these guys:
Ansah, Lotuleilei, Milliner, and Mingo.
I think those are the realistic four. I have no idea which one they'd take. Before, Miliner seemed obvious, but all the talk of him dropping out of the top 10 makes me skeptical.
If we trade down to 11 or 12, I figure we might still get a shot at some of those guys. Lotuleilei might fall b/c of the lack of need for a DT among the other top 10 teams. If he and Milliner are both there, I think they might take Star and get a CB with the 2nd round pick they would acquire by trading the 6th pick. Eifert is the dark horse at this point as well. Mingo, if he somehow gets by the Jets, would probably be the guy they prefer. I don't see Austin as a guy they would want. Too small, not really a fit for this offense or for what Lombardi likes in prospects (size/speed).
Of course, they could pull a classic Browns maneuver and reach for a bum like EJ Manuel but that's just a nightmare more than a realistic fear.
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