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shylo3716 01-21-2013 10:59 AM

Chip Kelly's Projected QB in the 2013 Draft
 
I may be a little biased, but the only QB I can see Kelly going after in the draft that will be perfect for his system will be E.J. Manuel. I actually think this pick is a lock in the 2nd or 3rd round.

San Diego Chicken 01-21-2013 12:58 PM

I think he'll stick with Foles but I can see him drafting Foles' former backup Matt Scott in the 4th or 5th. He excelled in his only year running a read option, has nice size and a live arm. He's got NFL traits, nobody's really talking about him yet. I'd easily rather have Scott in the middle rounds than Manuel in the top 3 rounds.

Robbieb7 01-21-2013 01:02 PM

Manuel sucks! Chip will likely roll with Foles.

mightytitan9 01-21-2013 01:06 PM

I still think he should call up Dennis Dixon and Darron Thomas and Josh Johnson, Tavarius Jackson etc.

In the draft I agree, Manuel is projected 4th round right now and seems like a good fit.

Ultimately, I think he'll go with Foles but he'll likely bring in his own QB whether in FA or the draft

SolidGold 01-21-2013 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by mightytitan9 (Post 3252650)
I still think he should call up Dennis Dixon and Darron Thomas and Josh Johnson, Tavarius Jackson etc.

In the draft I agree, Manuel is projected 4th round right now and seems like a good fit.

Ultimately, I think he'll go with Foles but he'll likely bring in his own QB whether in FA or the draft

So every mediocre black QB is fair game for Kelly?

bruschis4all 01-21-2013 01:28 PM

I think the Eagles go after Alex Smith. Let Vick walk. Smith has experience in the read option from Utah and SF runs it too. Already an accurate short range passer. And, wicked smaht.

Armchair Scout 01-21-2013 01:35 PM

I think he will/should go with Foles. Vick isn't a long-term answer and neither are any of the free agents available. With this being a weak QB draft, the Eagles should stick with Foles, who I think could surprise some people with his ability to run an uptempo offense, and wait for the right prospect down the road. Their are some really good sophmore and freshman QBs in college right now with dual-threat ability.

brat316 01-21-2013 01:49 PM

I dont think he is going to put in his full offense till he gets his perfect guy. Could be 2/3 years, using stop gap fixes.

Duffman57 01-21-2013 01:59 PM

1: He's not running the read option like he did in Oregon and 2: He's well known and on record for really; REALLY loving Nick Foles. Like he has a serious hardon for Foles, he's going to roll with Foles, thats certain.

SolidGold 01-21-2013 02:05 PM

Not sure why people are down on Foles - he played pretty well all things considered this season. Why would Kelly draft Manuel who is not even as good as Foles to replace Foles? I did hear that Kelly has talked down the notion that all his QBs have to be runners - citing Darron Thomas as a prime example.

I fully expect this spread option trend to be figured out sooner rather than later. The only thing that could stop that from happening are more rules hampering defenses.

BallerT1215 01-21-2013 02:16 PM

Manuel not as good as Foles?.....alrighty, now i've heard it all...

Armchair Scout 01-21-2013 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BallerT1215 (Post 3252706)
Manuel not as good as Foles?.....alrighty, now i've heard it all...

Could you elaborate? What has Manuel done to show that he is even that close to being as good as Foles? Foles has his weaknesses, but he has easily superior decision making and more consistent accuracy, and he has already shown an excellent to run the hurry-up. Just look at what he did against Tampa Bay in the regular season and against USC in college. Foles may lack the consistent accuracy and timing to be a great starter in the league, but he has a much better chance to establish himself as a solid starter in the league than Manuel.

BallerT1215 01-21-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Armchair Scout (Post 3252714)
Could you elaborate? What has Manuel done to show that he is even that close to being as good as Foles? Foles has his weaknesses, but he has easily superior decision making and more consistent accuracy, and he has already shown an excellent to run the hurry-up. Just look at what he did against Tampa Bay in the regular season and against USC in college. Foles may lack the consistent accuracy and timing to be a great starter in the league, but he has a much better chance to establish himself as a solid starter in the league than Manuel.


Ok, I'll try to show you I'm not being biased since I am a Noles fan, and first let me tell you I'm not the biggest fan of EJ but....

First off EJ has every tool in the book to be a successful NFL QB. He can make every throw there is, over the middle, post, and has a cannon for an arm. Add in the fact that he can run with ease and power. When EJ finds a lane, he does not go down easy and has plenty of big time runs in his career at FSU. At the same time, people dont talk about it as much because he prefers to throw the ball first. He could have easily racked up numbers but Jimbo Fisher's playcalling is very suspect and really does not call for that.

The games that Jimbo let EJ shine and carry the offense?? (Clemson - 300+ passing and 100+ rushing yds)...Game after our NC State loss when people hammered Jimbo for not letting EJ make enough plays, he lit it up again.

I give you that his accuracy does wane. That is without a doubt, but EJ Manuel is a total package and has performed everytime that Jimbo allowed to perform out on the field with his playcalling. Do you know We had 2 starting 6'6 WR's and I can count on two hands the amount of times Jimbo let EJ throw down the field??...

Did he perform the way we hoped when he came from Virginia as a 5 star? No because he sometimes let balls float and did not hit the open man. He also has a tendency to take the sack because he isn't willing to let a play die when there is nothing there.

But don't tell me Nick Foles is better than EJ Manuel....EJ Manuel isnt a "project" either as some people are labeling him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v8OOY7AHRE

vs clemson...:41 mark run showing his speed with his size....

nobodyinparticular 01-21-2013 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold (Post 3252660)
So every mediocre black QB is fair game for Kelly?

Mediocre? I believe you mean downright awful-to-putrid.

iowatreat54 01-21-2013 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold (Post 3252660)
So every mediocre black QB is fair game for Kelly?

Whoa, that's a little much...



None of those guys is close to being a mediocre QB on their best days.

ChiFan24 01-21-2013 02:56 PM

It'll either be Foles or a GOOD quarterback with the #4 pick. The E.J. Manuel suggestions are just stupid.

Babylon 01-21-2013 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold (Post 3252660)
So every mediocre black QB is fair game for Kelly?

He'd probably take Mariota or Manziel if it were next year so there is that.

FUNBUNCHER 01-21-2013 03:04 PM

EJ Manuel IMO just doesn't have a great natural feel for the position. I just don't see it with him and I'm totally buying the Jason Campbell comparisons.

IMO Kelly waits until the 2014 draft to look for a QB if Foles or whoever can't get the job done next season.

Babylon 01-21-2013 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER (Post 3252752)
EJ Manuel IMO just doesn't have a great natural feel for the position. I just don't see it with him and I'm totally buying the Jason Campbell comparisons.

IMO Kelly waits until the 2014 draft to look for a QB if Foles or whoever can't get the job done next season.

That's how i see it. New guys come in and either try to hit a homerun right away or if they're smart build it from the ground up. Being as you don't have the stud QB to mortgage the farm for you wait till next year and pick from 2 or 3 guys you can build the franchise around at the QB position.

bendert58 01-21-2013 05:40 PM

I think trying to take a marginal prospect who just fits a system would be a mistake. They need to just roll with Foles and see how he does. He showed a lot of promise early last year and I think their system will look more like the Pats this year than Oregon. They'll run a lot of plays but won't rely on the read option. They have a lot of building blocks with the amount of speed they have on offense.

BallerT1215 01-21-2013 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwi (Post 3252939)
Echoing what many in here have said, EJ Manuel blows.

I swear some people just do their 'scouting' off youtube or off cupcake games against teams outside the top 50.

EJ Manuel perenially choked vs even half-decent competition, I don't give a flying **** if he has all the 'tools'. When will people realize? Physical tools are at most 10% of what is important to playing QB in the NFL.

Who did EJ choke vs??? Please do tell. I watch every FSU game. Feel free to tell me or you exactly the person you just described with scouting..

And i like "perenially" when he started fully for 2 seasons....and the 2 seasons before, he won both bowl games with CP out injured, one of which against South Carolina who beat Alabama that year and West Virginia as a freshman.., and played very well against VTech in the Acc Champ with CP out...And in case you can't add it up, that would make 4-0 in Bowl Games as a starter.

You want to say the guy blows?? Back it up and dont just spew garbage.

mightytitan9 01-21-2013 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SolidGold (Post 3252660)
So every mediocre black QB is fair game for Kelly?

Two of those have experience from Oregon, Dixon . Jackson many believe will compete for a starting job somewhere and Johnson is athletic and many people still feel can be an NFL QB in the right system.

I never said they were going to start for him, but bringing in Dixon or Thomas who both have experience with Kelly could be good.

I doubt Kelly wants to just hand Foles the job, if he's half the coach I think he is he'll have a QB competition. It may not even go into training camp, but he'll have one.

So your attempt at playing the race card failed.

BallerT1215 01-21-2013 06:18 PM

double go to next post

WCH 01-21-2013 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kiwi (Post 3252939)
Echoing what many in here have said, EJ Manuel blows.

I swear some people just do their 'scouting' off youtube or off cupcake games against teams outside the top 50.

EJ Manuel perenially choked vs even half-decent competition, I don't give a flying **** if he has all the 'tools'. When will people realize? Physical tools are at most 10% of what is important to playing QB in the NFL.

EJ Manuel doesn't blow. He's probably going to be a journeyman backup and spot-starter in the NFL, but so is Nick Foles. Most drafted QBs can't even manage that.

BallerT1215 01-21-2013 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kiwi (Post 3252964)
Did I see you on The Simpsons? Because you totally remind me of a Homer.

Played poorly in '11 vs Florida, Virginia, Oklahoma, Wake Forest. In '12 v NC State, Florida and Georgia Tech.

This is how I know you dont know what you are talking about you pretty much just tried to look up losses, etc real quick.

Battled vs Florida. Still Beat them
Oklahoma - played well but got knocked out in 3rd Q.
Wake Forest - He came in at halftime, threw for over 300 yds and almost led us back to win after being down huge.

NC State - All Playcalling as i mentioned earlier with Jimbo.
Florida - Was moving the ball on them consistently and we were winning in the 4th quarter until he got knocked out with concussion.
GTech - Struggled With accuracy, you would be correct.

No I'm not being a homer, I'm not his biggest fan as I feel he did not do what he was supposed to coming in as 5 star hype....but you are horribly inaccurate right now as he was vs Gtech.


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