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JohnCandy 01-28-2013 08:07 AM

Scouts Comments About the OL
 
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Now that the Senior Bowl is in the books, what’s to be had for #Bears at No. 20 in draft in terms of linemen?

I asked one scout who has been good to me with information in the past how many linemen he thought would come off the board before the Bears select in an interesting conversation today. Check here for more info a little while later.

“Before 20?” the scout said. “I’d say three (linemen are drafted). Luke Joeckel (Texas A&M), Eric Fisher from Central Michigan and then it’s a toss-up between Jonathan Cooper (North Carolina guard), Chance Warmack (Alabama guard) and the Travis Frederick kid (center) from Wisconsin. Frederick is not catching a lot of steam right now but you watch what happens. In the next three, four weeks, Frederick will get a lot of steam.”

Would Lane Johnson, the Oklahoma offensive tackle who needs to add some bulk, be a good fit for the Bears at No. 20?

“You gotta remember that kid was a quarterback just a few years ago,” the scout said. “He’s still growing into that frame. He’s not the finished product but he is plenty good enough to play left tackle. He could be a legit pick at 20. It depends on the need of other teams, in terms of linemen, but the way it looks to me right now, the Bears should have no problem getting a tackle or a guard.”

What about the talent overall in this draft?

“Oh yeah, I think it is really pretty solid almost all the way through the first two rounds – the top 60 picks or so,” the scout said. “I am talking about the whole draft, not just offensive linemen. You’re going to get a solid player all the way through the top 60 and then after that you better do your work.”
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killxswitch 01-28-2013 09:56 AM

Not surprised to hear Frederick's name come up. I am surprised more people here aren't bothering to mock him in the 1st.

Black Bolt 01-28-2013 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by killxswitch (Post 3258197)
Not surprised to hear Frederick's name come up. I am surprised more people here aren't bothering to mock him in the 1st.

What's so good about him?

Duffman57 01-28-2013 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt (Post 3258212)
What's so good about him?

I've been on the Frederick hype train for a while now, thought he was up there with Coop/Warmack for the top OG spot.

Absolute mauler, he's another one of those guys thats just absolutely an instant run game, though not a real fit for a zone system, unless its similar to what Wiscy runs, where its a true power zone. Watch him in 2011 especially where he's at his better OG spot, he's consistently driving guys 5 yards off the ball. He was the better OG that year, and Zeitler went 20th overall IIRC. While he's not a great strait line speed guy, he's very comfortable in space and is agile when pass blocking. Really solid technique, but obviously due to size, will struggle vs. quicker 3 tech types. Has the versatility to play every interior OL spot and is absolutely NFL ready with technique/strength/agility.

TACKLE 01-28-2013 12:13 PM

Maybe some team will draft Frederick earlier as a center than a guard because this is such a weak center group but he's really a natural guard.

energizerbunny 01-28-2013 12:16 PM

Big thing with Frederick is he has that size NFL teams want playing center nowadays, he is physical enough and has the anchor to play against these massive 3-4 nose tackles.

energizerbunny 01-28-2013 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by TACKLE (Post 3258298)
Maybe some team will draft Frederick earlier as a center than a guard because this is such a weak center group but he's really a natural guard.

Center is a more valuable position than guard, you draft a center and your entire unit improves. You draft a guard and you improve 1 position.

Nastradamus 01-28-2013 12:25 PM

Center is a solid position in this draft IMO. Frederick,Jones and Holmes are all top 45 guys IMO.

Black Bolt 01-28-2013 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Duffman57 (Post 3258290)
I've been on the Frederick hype train for a while now, thought he was up there with Coop/Warmack for the top OG spot.

Absolute mauler, he's another one of those guys thats just absolutely an instant run game, though not a real fit for a zone system, unless its similar to what Wiscy runs, where its a true power zone. Watch him in 2011 especially where he's at his better OG spot, he's consistently driving guys 5 yards off the ball. He was the better OG that year, and Zeitler went 20th overall IIRC. While he's not a great strait line speed guy, he's very comfortable in space and is agile when pass blocking. Really solid technique, but obviously due to size, will struggle vs. quicker 3 tech types. Has the versatility to play every interior OL spot and is absolutely NFL ready with technique/strength/agility.

Okay, thanks.

killxswitch 01-28-2013 12:37 PM

I base my Frederick love more on his guard play. I also just really like interior OLmen from Wisconsin. But then who doesn't. I think he'd do fine at center but as a guard in a power scheme I think he'll quickly become a top 5 guy. Duffman covered a lot of it but he is also very smart. His combo of size, power, versatility, and intelligence is what makes him such a good prospect IMO.

bigbluedefense 01-28-2013 12:45 PM

I'm a huge Lane Johnson fan. He's already got a tremendous base, incredible feet, great technique, and he's still raw. His upside is through the roof.

If Ziggy Ansah and Chance Warmack are off the board and this dude is there at 19, I'll be very disappointed if the Giants don't take him.

As of right now of course. It's early in the draft process. But I love his upside.

JohnCandy 01-28-2013 12:51 PM

Pioli ranks Texas A&M tackle Luke Joeckel as the top underclassman eligible for the 2013 draft, calling him a “strong candidate” to be selected first overall. Pioli’s former team, of course, holds the No. 1 pick.

Alabama cornerback Dee Milliner, Florida defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd, Florida State defensive end Bjoern Werner, and Ohio State defensive tackle Johnathan Hankins make up the rest of Pioli’s top five.

Alabama running back Eddie Lacy is sixth, and Pioli envisions him as an “every-down back” in the NFL with “low mileage” after playing behind Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson his first two seasons.

Georgia linebacker Jarvis Jones, Cal receiver Keenan Allen, Georgia linebacker Alec Ogletree, and San Diego State tight end Gavin Escobar round out the top ten.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...underclassmen/

D-Unit 01-28-2013 01:11 PM

I forget where I read it, but I saw that you don't want Frederick at C if you are a team that likes mobility at that position... and that he'll probably end up at Guard in the NFL.

Agree or disagree?

Babylon 01-28-2013 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnCandy (Post 3258356)
Pioli ranks Texas A&M tackle Luke Joeckel as the top underclassman eligible for the 2013 draft, calling him a “strong candidate” to be selected first overall. Pioli’s former team, of course, holds the No. 1 pick.

Alabama cornerback Dee Milliner, Florida defensive tackle Sharrif Floyd, Florida State defensive end Bjoern Werner, and Ohio State defensive tackle Johnathan Hankins make up the rest of Pioli’s top five.

Alabama running back Eddie Lacy is sixth, and Pioli envisions him as an “every-down back” in the NFL with “low mileage” after playing behind Mark Ingram and Trent Richardson his first two seasons.

Georgia linebacker Jarvis Jones, Cal receiver Keenan Allen, Georgia linebacker Alec Ogletree, and San Diego State tight end Gavin Escobar round out the top ten.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...underclassmen/

So we have Shariff Floyd, Hankins, Lacy, Ogeltree, Allen and Escobar in the top 10. That is the most ******* rediculous thing i've ever seen.

Black Bolt 01-28-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Babylon (Post 3258388)
So we have Shariff Floyd, Hankins, Lacy, Ogeltree, Allen and Escobar in the top 10. That is the most ******* rediculous thing i've ever seen.

Top ten underclassman.

Babylon 01-28-2013 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt (Post 3258395)
Top ten underclassman.

I just noticed that. I still wouldnt have Allen, Escobar and Floyd in there.

regoob2 01-28-2013 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit (Post 3258383)
I forget where I read it, but I saw that you don't want Frederick at C if you are a team that likes mobility at that position... and that he'll probably end up at Guard in the NFL.

Agree or disagree?

He's not a Pouncey athlete for C but I think he can play there. I think his athleticism is better then his power for his size. He's not your typical 340 lber (if he really is that big)

He's a good overall player. He doesn't have the strength of the other bigger OGs. (Warmack. Fluker, Warmack)

Duffman57 01-28-2013 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit (Post 3258383)
I forget where I read it, but I saw that you don't want Frederick at C if you are a team that likes mobility at that position... and that he'll probably end up at Guard in the NFL.

Agree or disagree?

If your putting Frederick at C, you have to be a power man system...

Teams like Baltimore, San Fran, Chicago, Minesota, all run this type of scheme. But teams like Wash, Seattle, NE, Houston should look elsewhere for a C, but he could be a OG i think in those schemes, while it wouldn't be his best fit, it wouldn't be a bad one either.

Monomach 01-28-2013 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt (Post 3258212)
What's so good about him?

No one in this class has a better beard than him, so he inarguably is the most manly prospect in the draft.

princefielder28 01-28-2013 08:57 PM

Frederick is a good prospect, but I don't see first round caliber with him. Kevin Zeitler was a better prospect last year and Frederick's best spot is going to be guard at the next level.


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