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J-Mike88 02-06-2013 07:53 PM

Who Will Have A Better NFL Career: Geno or Barkley
 
Here's your chance to publicly go on record here.

These 2 QB's are pretty polarizing.
Many love or hate each guy.....



But if you were to put YOUR $ now on one of these guys, which one would it be: Who has the better NFL career? Simple as that.
Not who gets drafted higher, whatever. Just when all is said & done, who has the better career in the NFL.

Both guys could wash out.... become Joey Harrington, Akili Smith, Rick Mirer, etc.
Could they become Donovan McNabb or Rodney Peete?
Rich Gannon or Matt Leinart?

Who you put your money on?
I feel this might be pretty close among you guys. Maybe not.


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vidae 02-06-2013 09:12 PM

Geno for me and it isn't close. Not at all.

K Train 02-06-2013 09:27 PM

soooo dependent on where they go

i like barkley a bit more though

Brothgar 02-06-2013 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by K Train (Post 3267899)
soooo dependent on where they go

This. But out of the two I like Geno better. I have a feeling if Barkley fails then the USC QB is going to go the way of the Penn St. RB.

zachsaints52 02-06-2013 09:36 PM

Barkley is going to be better because he is going to fall farther and not going to be relied on to play soon.

TACKLE 02-06-2013 09:37 PM

Well Geno will be a very good starting QB in the NFL so I'll go with him.

Raiderz4Life 02-06-2013 09:48 PM

I'm picking Barkley

brat316 02-06-2013 09:59 PM

whichever one goes to the packers an learns from Rodgers

SRK85 02-06-2013 10:19 PM

Depends if Geno gets mentored properly he could be a good QB. I am not sold on Barkley though.

J-Mike88 02-06-2013 10:23 PM

OSUgiants & Azhais with the biggest balls so far.

nepg 02-06-2013 10:23 PM

I just don't think Barkley will ever be healthy enough to start in the NFL.

D-Unit 02-06-2013 11:51 PM

I'm really interested to see where Barkley lands. The Chiefs are gonna try their darndest to make Geno work though and I think Reid could make him better than he is as a prospect right now. The Geno vote has to be clear dominant majority, but I enjoy going against the grain when I at least have a fighting chance. Go Barkley Go! I'm gonna keep my vote with the minority here.

AntoinCD 02-07-2013 07:47 AM

I definitely agree with the sentiment that it is all dependat on where they both go.

I also don't see either as a top 5 QB at any time in their NFL careers.

If Geno goes to KC they have some talent to work with. He will have a strong running game and a great offensive line, especially early in his career. The receiving options aren't terrific but not horrible either.

If Barkley goes to Arizona then he will struggle early. Sure the receiving options are better than KC but the line is a mess and there isn't much of a running game, plus Bruce Arians' offense isn't exactly the type of offense which provides QBs with "safe" throws and formations.

If Barkley goes to Buffalo I think he will seriously struggle. The weather will have a huge impact on a guy who doesn't have a strong arm.

Overall I think the odds favour Geno, both in terms of his skillset and where he will end up, however I wouldn't be shocked if Barkley becomes a very good QB in the NFL

K Train 02-07-2013 08:51 AM

i think mechanically barkley is very much like brees, i think hed be better off going later in the draft. I think hed be PERFECT for the patriots, but they already have mallet even if they have no intentions on keeping him long term.

The better the team he goes to the better the player hes going to be. I have him ranked higher than i had bradford, sanchez, and ponder, but not quite as high as clausen, locker and freeman....which in retrospect means nothing since i loved clausen lol

Honestly it would infuriate me but steelers at 17 could be possible

Hurricanes25 02-07-2013 01:55 PM

My money is on Geno. Not a huge fan though.

Barkley has really soured on me. He's like a middle class Jimmy Clausen.

WCH 02-07-2013 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Mike88 (Post 3267930)
OSUgiants & Azhais with the biggest balls so far.

I'm also leaning in their direction, but I want to study Geno some more before I write him off.

bigbluedefense 02-07-2013 03:56 PM

Matt Barkley does not have an NFL arm. He's a backup qb in the NFL. Geno at least has potential to become one. So I'd gamble on Geno hoping that I can groom him to become a capable franchise qb.

This is the question: Would you risk taking Geno in hopes of having a franchise qb? Or do you go safe and take Barkley who's ceiling is Andy Dalton at best, a guy who can win some games but ultimately will have limitations that will hold your franchise back?

D-Unit 02-07-2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Hurricanes25 (Post 3268360)
My money is on Geno. Not a huge fan though.

Barkley has really soured on me. He's like a middle class Jimmy Clausen.

Don't see the Barkley to Clausen comparison from an intangibles standpoint so I don't like that one. Other than they were both top preps, I don't know a lot of things they are similar in either.

D-Unit 02-07-2013 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 3268505)
Matt Barkley does not have an NFL arm. He's a backup qb in the NFL. Geno at least has potential to become one. So I'd gamble on Geno hoping that I can groom him to become a capable franchise qb.

This is the question: Would you risk taking Geno in hopes of having a franchise qb? Or do you go safe and take Barkley who's ceiling is Andy Dalton at best, a guy who can win some games but ultimately will have limitations that will hold your franchise back?

What did you think about Peyton Manning's arm this year? You're overrating arm strength. It's not the end all you make it to be. Lot of guys with strong arms don't make it in the NFL.

bigbluedefense 02-07-2013 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit (Post 3268562)
What did you think about Peyton Manning's arm this year? You're overrating arm strength. It's not the end all you make it to be. Lot of guys with strong arms don't make it in the NFL.

And lots of guys who don't have arms don't make it either. It's irrelevant pointing that out as part of the discussion on Barkley. It doesn't hide the fact that he can't make all the throws and that will limit him in the NFL. That can't be argued, it's fact.

And let's not compare Peyton's decision making, anticipation skills and release to that of Barkley, bc they're not even close in comparison.

Think of it this way D-Unit: Pointing out that a top 5 qb of all time is recently playing well with limited arm strength has very little relevance in this discussion. Bc Barkley isn't ever going to be anywhere near that in his career.

There's a reason why scouts care about arm strength. If it wasn't necessary it wouldn't be weighed so heavily. It matters. It matters a lot.

vidae 02-07-2013 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit (Post 3268562)
What did you think about Peyton Manning's arm this year? You're overrating arm strength. It's not the end all you make it to be. Lot of guys with strong arms don't make it in the NFL.

One could argue that Peyton Manning is the best QB of all time. You can't compare the two of them. Peyton excels in pretty much every single area except arm strength. Matt Barkley can't claim that.

SuperPacker 02-07-2013 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit (Post 3268562)
What did you think about Peyton Manning's arm this year? You're overrating arm strength. It's not the end all you make it to be. Lot of guys with strong arms don't make it in the NFL.

That is such a terrible argument.

thetedginnshow 02-07-2013 05:40 PM

I think Barkley has awful mechanics. His footwork isn't very good and he appears fairly slow-footed. He would have to also reinvent his throwing motion to get more zip on the ball (but luckily, he will probably have the time to do that). On paper, I would think of him as a less serviceable Tyler Wilson. But, he has some big wins under his belt, he's level-headed, and I think he has what it takes to will a team to victory (mentally).

For right now, I would take Geno Smith. I think he's safely the best QB prospect in this class. He can make some throws that no other QB in this class can [consistently] make. He's not perfect though, and I think he's more of a system QB. Of course, if he went to KC, that would seem to work out just fine.

D-Unit 02-07-2013 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 3268571)
And lots of guys who don't have arms don't make it either. It's irrelevant pointing that out as part of the discussion on Barkley. It doesn't hide the fact that he can't make all the throws and that will limit him in the NFL. That can't be argued, it's fact.

And let's not compare Peyton's decision making, anticipation skills and release to that of Barkley, bc they're not even close in comparison.

Think of it this way D-Unit: Pointing out that a top 5 qb of all time is recently playing well with limited arm strength has very little relevance in this discussion. Bc Barkley isn't ever going to be anywhere near that in his career.

There's a reason why scouts care about arm strength. If it wasn't necessary it wouldn't be weighed so heavily. It matters. It matters a lot.

Of course it matters. I'm saying scouts are too quick to overrate it. They see it and it's like nothing else matters. Like they can fix the rest. But over and over again, these guys bust.

If people were knocking Barkley for other things than just arm strength, then let's hear it. If that's ALL, then that's not enough for me to label him a bust or a crappy QB.

D-Unit 02-07-2013 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae (Post 3268575)
One could argue that Peyton Manning is the best QB of all time. You can't compare the two of them. Peyton excels in pretty much every single area except arm strength. Matt Barkley can't claim that.

Point is arm strength is just arm strength. Alone it doesn't make or break a QB. Obviously, Peyton has attributes that make up for it, but I'm not comparing him to Barkley. I'm using him in an example about arm strength.

Classic evil vidae.


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