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SF Dolphin Fan 03-03-2013 09:23 PM

Devin Taylor, DE, South Carolina
 
I haven't seen much of him, but from what I have seen why isn't this guy ranked higher? He's 6-7, 270 moves well, was productive. Taylor seems like a guy that would generate some talk.

For those who have seen him a lot, what is the scouting report?

Matthew Jones 03-03-2013 09:49 PM

Kinda reminds me of Jake Bequette or something. Tall, some bulk, has tools, needs to improve awareness and develop additional moves, looks like he's playing on skates sometimes.

Ozzy 03-03-2013 09:57 PM

He clearly is over shadowed by the more talented players on his team. Last year with was Ingram, this year it is Clowney. His size is outstanding, but yes he lacks some strength in run defense because of it.

Does not really have great pass rush moves, but is long, gets in the way of the quarterback and can cover the field. I think he could be a very good possible 4/3 OLB instead of a down DE.

Needs some coaching but is worth a 2nd round pick and anything later than that he is a steal.

With a comparison Michael Johnson comes to mind, he dropped in the draft because people thought he was soft also. But with that athletic long frame, he has done some damage in the NFL and had his best season last year with 11 sacks.

So that kind of length can be very effective and no reason why Taylor cannot be effective in the NFL.

Cigaro 03-03-2013 10:02 PM

There's nothing special about him. A solid collegiate player, but that was it. Yes, I guess the size is a big advantage, but we haven't really seen it been utilized. He was never a player a team could exploit, but not particularly a playmaker either. I think he can be a solid depth guy, but I'd be hesitant to draft him with the intentions of him being a starter. He's someone I'd take around the fifth round. There's a chance that with the right coaching/work ethic he could really break out, but despite the talent and coaching that surrounded him at SC he was never able to do that, so my hopes aren't high.

raphael 03-04-2013 12:11 AM

I'd take Taylor before Hunt or Ansah. He is every bit as impressive an athlete, a couple years younger, and has more football experience.

SchizophrenicBatman 03-04-2013 12:36 AM

I think he's one of the more underrated players in the draft. A lot of his success gets credited due to his teammates drawing protection away from him but you still have to produce and it's not like his combine numbers are bad.

Is it Peppers/Rucker = Clowney/Taylor or Mario/Lawson = Clowney/Taylor is the big question

Witten4HOF 03-04-2013 05:33 AM

I'm eh on Taylor, he doesn't appear to have the natural bend to be a consistent pass rusher and has difficulty lowering his pad level to generate leverage. He has good straight line speed but is a long strider who won't be able to adjust in space if asked to drop into coverage.

I think he would be best served in a situational pass rush role from the base end side as he continues to develop. He certainly has intriguing athleticism and a frame to add weight. A patient 3-4 team might be able to convert him to an attacking 5-tech if he can continue to bulk up and add strength. In either scheme he should be an asset knocking down passes at the LOS.

dunagan15 03-04-2013 05:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Cigaro (Post 3290554)
There's nothing special about him. A solid collegiate player, but that was it. Yes, I guess the size is a big advantage, but we haven't really seen it been utilized. He was never a player a team could exploit, but not particularly a playmaker either. I think he can be a solid depth guy, but I'd be hesitant to draft him with the intentions of him being a starter. He's someone I'd take around the fifth round. There's a chance that with the right coaching/work ethic he could really break out, but despite the talent and coaching that surrounded him at SC he was never able to do that, so my hopes aren't high.

Id have to agree with most of this. I do think he can offer a little more than a depth player. I think he could be a solid starter but I too have seen him play a lot and while he was never a huge x-factor or playmaker. The biggest eyebrow raiser is did he lack production? (given his circumstances with guys he lined up next to) Best example of this that I can think of recently is Ray Edwards. While in Minny he seemed solid, usually had around 8 sacks each season and didnt seem to hinder the team at all. He comes to Atlanta which obviously didnt have the high caliber D-Line that Minny had and he was so bad he eneded up getting cut before the season even ended.

So that is the biggest factor IMO teams will have to evaluate. Can he provide pressure without relying on every other lineman getting the double and can he do it consistently? Id take a shot at him in the 3rd round though.

duesouth 03-04-2013 07:01 AM

Agree with Witten4HOF in that he plays too high and with his height that's a concern. But he has enjoyed a good post season to date - I thought he was very impressive at the Shrine Game and his Combine numbers were very good - could see him cracking the top 100.

Don Vito 03-04-2013 07:25 AM

It seems like everyone has been waiting for him to elevate his game for 3 years now. He has talent, maybe someone will get the best out of him in the NFL. I could see that happening but on the flipside I could also see him doing nothing. I think he will do well in the pros if I had to bet on it.

raphael 03-04-2013 05:14 PM

He seems like a pretty bright guy to go along with his physical skills. He may have been a little butt hurt with all the attention being heaped on Clowney last season. Steal in the third round. People are talking about Ansah in the top five, with far less on field production and no better Combine numbers.

At 6-7, with 36+" arms, he just have to stand there and wave those 11" hands around to be effective.

SilentJaguar 03-04-2013 05:30 PM

Comes off as a stiff to me. After watching him for 3 years and never seeing him perform like the post-season numbers say he could perform with the kind of talent that Spurrier recruited there, I don't see it in him. Career back-up to me. 5th-6th round is around when I'd give him a look. Any time before that and I'd jsut feel like I'd wasted a pick that could been used on a better player.

Black Bolt 03-04-2013 08:35 PM

Amazingly, this cat lead all DEs in the 3 cone, was second in the shuttle, third in the vertical and was first in the broad jump. How come the TV heads aren't talking about him more?

Cigaro 03-04-2013 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt (Post 3291623)
Amazingly, this cat lead all DEs in the 3 cone, was second in the shuttle, third in the vertical and was first in the broad jump. How come the TV heads aren't talking about him more?

Because it just doesn't show on tape. For all that athleticism, he can't seem to make much use of it. I'm a Gamecock fan and have seen every game he's played in, and there's just nothing about him that would make me want to take him with any sort of early pick. If he doesn't get the edge with his first step, far too often he gets engaged by his blocker and that's it. He isn't able to maneuver around him, nor is he able to bull-rush or throw him aside. He necessarily doesn't get pushed around, and yes every so often he does find himself beating his guy, but that's far too irregular for my liking.

raphael 03-04-2013 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Cigaro (Post 3291630)
Because it just doesn't show on tape. For all that athleticism, he can't seem to make much use of it. I'm a Gamecock fan and have seen every game he's played in, and there's just nothing about him that would make me want to take him with any sort of early pick. If he doesn't get the edge with his first step, far too often he gets engaged by his blocker and that's it. He isn't able to maneuver around him, nor is he able to bull-rush or throw him aside. He necessarily doesn't get pushed around, and yes every so often he does find himself beating his guy, but that's far too irregular for my liking.

You can watch Ansah or Hunt and say all the same things. Or worse. Taylor is every bit as impressive as an athlete, has better career college production, and is a couple of years younger than those two. Media attention is random, and worthless, really.

nofalcons10 03-05-2013 02:01 AM

It probably won't happen but Devin Taylor could potentially be a better 3-4 outside linebacker than Melvin ingram. I don't know why more people arent projecting him there after his shrine game performance and the NFL combine.


he's taller, faster, longer and more agile than Aldon Smith and could be a first-round caliber talent for the right 3-4 team like San Fransisco.

Compare Taylor's workout #'s to Aldon Smith's and you'll be pretty impressed. His production wasn't lacking either as he was mainly asked to be a run stopper and finished 2nd in S.C. history with 35 tackles for loss. I have him ranked as the top 3-4 weakside linebacker in the draft but he'll likely fall to the second round.

Kase1 03-05-2013 05:43 PM

I feel like our DL coach on the NY Giants could mold him into a dominant DE/DT hybrid, but he would have to bulk up a touch and hopefully not lose too much athleticism in the process

Black Bolt 03-05-2013 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kase1 (Post 3292548)
I feel like our DL coach on the NY Giants could mold him into a dominant DE/DT hybrid, but he would have to bulk up a touch and hopefully not lose too much athleticism in the process

Ah, nice fit.

raphael 03-05-2013 06:25 PM

Taylor doesn't have to be a big sack guy to be effective in the league. He has the size and agility to contain or disrupt the new age mobile passers. The speed and reach to chase them down outside the pocket. I really think he is the defensive prototype to answer the evolving offensive schemes around the league.

raphael 03-05-2013 08:24 PM

Wasn't Chandler Jones the big Combine phenom last year? Taylor is the same weight, a couple of inches taller, longer arms, bigger hands, and beat Jones in every single Combine event they both entered.

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Cigaro 03-05-2013 08:48 PM

Wasn't Chandler Jones the big Combine phenom last year? Taylor is the same weight, a couple of inches taller, longer arms, bigger hands, and beat Jones in every single Combine event they both entered.

Don Vito 03-05-2013 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Cigaro (Post 3292786)
Wasn't Chandler Jones the big Combine phenom last year? Taylor is the same weight, a couple of inches taller, longer arms, bigger hands, and beat Jones in every single Combine event they both entered.

No, you're thinking of Chandler Jones.


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