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Black Bolt 03-14-2013 04:33 PM

Shift in Draft Needs?
 
We know now that KC should be pretty locked in on Joeckel. All of a sudden, the Jags who swore they were going to give Gabbert another chance appear to be interested in Smith unless it is a well orchestrated and expensive lie. The Eagles now reportedly have legitimate interest in Smith. The Raiders have always been the highest picking team that has been interest in Smith dating back to the college season. Now, the Lions at the #5 spot have just let go of Jeff Backus due to retirement. And remember, they also lost Cherilus two days ago. They MUST be in the mix for Fisher! And all of a sudden, Cleveland has no need for all those outside rushers mentioned at the top of the draft with the aquisitio of Krueger. What are you guys waiting for, go update your mocks!

raphael 03-14-2013 04:44 PM

Let the gamesmanship begin! About the only thing you know for sure is that nothing is as it appears to be.

raphael 03-14-2013 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt (Post 3302137)
We know now that KC should be pretty locked in on Joeckel. All of a sudden, the Jags who swore they were going to give Gabbert another chance appear to be interested in Smith unless it is a well orchestrated and expensive lie. The Eagles now reportedly have legitimate interest in Smith. The Raiders have always been the highest picking team that has been interest in Smith dating back to the college season. Now, the Lions at the #5 spot have just let go of Jeff Backus due to retirement. And remember, they also lost Cherilus two days ago. They MUST be in the mix for Fisher! And all of a sudden, Cleveland has no need for all those outside rushers mentioned at the top of the draft with the aquisitio of Krueger. What are you guys waiting for, go update your mocks!

The Eagles interest in Smith seems more legitimate than Jacksonville's. Philly brought him in on the quiet for a full workout prior to his pro day. No one really noticed until after the fact. But they had a full contingent out for Geno, including Lurie. With the Jags, they seemed to be putting on a show, and made sure to publicize their contingent beforehand. I don't think you can totally rule out their interest, they really don't have much tied up in Gabbert, he earns less than most backups in the league. Less than Henne, and less than Chase Daniels just got from the Chiefs. So, it's perfectly feasible for them to carry two young quarterbacks and let them duke it out. If they cut Henne and signed Smith at the going rate for #2 overall pick, they'd still have less than 10 million per year tied up at the position. Among the bottom third in the league in that respect.

Notredameleo 03-14-2013 05:53 PM

Lions definitely need a LT with backus retiring.

Robcards 03-14-2013 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt (Post 3302137)
We know now that KC should be pretty locked in on Joeckel. All of a sudden, the Jags who swore they were going to give Gabbert another chance appear to be interested in Smith unless it is a well orchestrated and expensive lie. The Eagles now reportedly have legitimate interest in Smith. The Raiders have always been the highest picking team that has been interest in Smith dating back to the college season. Now, the Lions at the #5 spot have just let go of Jeff Backus due to retirement. And remember, they also lost Cherilus two days ago. They MUST be in the mix for Fisher! And all of a sudden, Cleveland has no need for all those outside rushers mentioned at the top of the draft with the aquisitio of Krueger. What are you guys waiting for, go update your mocks!

Losing Cherilus was somewhat irrelevant as they have Reiff at RT. Their line is pretty much set except for LT (Sims LG Raiola C Nagy RG Reiff RT). They also have Fox and Hilliard as backups and they think Fox has starter upside.

Babylon 03-14-2013 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Notredameleo (Post 3302260)
Lions definitely need a LT with backus retiring.

Would think Fisher or Lane Johnson could end up there.

Seattle got their receiver and DE in Harvin and Avril while giving up their top pick. Would think a DT or maybe even a TE in the 2nd looks likely.

Splat 03-14-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Notredameleo (Post 3302260)
Lions definitely need a LT with backus retiring.

They should trade up to #1. :banana:

Black Bolt 03-14-2013 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards (Post 3302291)
Losing Cherilus was somewhat irrelevant as they have Reiff at RT. Their line is pretty much set except for LT (Sims LG Raiola C Nagy RG Reiff RT). They also have Fox and Hilliard as backups and they think Fox has starter upside.

Losing two starting tackles and thus far not replacing is not a good thing. The fact is, Reiff is a back up to this point. IF he becomes a quality starter or even a poor starter, the depth at OT is diminished.

vidae 03-14-2013 09:53 PM

Taking a RT at #1 would piss me off so bad.

BallerT1215 03-14-2013 10:02 PM

We have created a huge hole at LG by letting Levitre walk and not resigning Rinehart either.

Could have vaulted Warmack/Cooper in top 10.

Robcards 03-14-2013 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae (Post 3302591)
Taking a RT at #1 would piss me off so bad.

He'd be your LT in 2014 though. Albert is likely 1 and done

P-L 03-14-2013 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Black Bolt (Post 3302582)
Losing two starting tackles and thus far not replacing is not a good thing. The fact is, Reiff is a back up to this point. IF he becomes a quality starter or even a poor starter, the depth at OT is diminished.

Reiff was drafted to be a replacement as a starter. The Lions knew when they drafted Reiff that Cherilus had one year left on his deal and that Backus would only play one or two more years. They didn't draft Reiff with a 1st round pick to be "depth." If Reiff flops at tackle in camp, they'll put him at right guard and move Jason Fox into the starting lineup. They let Cherilus walk because they already had his replacement on the roster.

vidae 03-14-2013 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Robcards (Post 3302606)
He'd be your LT in 2014 though. Albert is likely 1 and done

Why is Albert likely one and done?

Black Bolt 03-14-2013 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by P-L (Post 3302611)
Reiff was drafted to be a replacement as a starter. The Lions knew when they drafted Reiff that Cherilus had one year left on his deal and that Backus would only play one or two more years. They didn't draft Reiff with a 1st round pick to be "depth." If Reiff flops at tackle in camp, they'll put him at right guard and move Jason Fox into the starting lineup. They let Cherilus walk because they already had his replacement on the roster.

I am not doubting any of that, I am saying you lost two starters and elevating a back up hurts your depth. Reiff will not be replacing two positions.

WCH 03-14-2013 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae (Post 3302617)
Why is Albert likely one and done?

Because the Chiefs are using the #1 pick on his replacement.

P-L 03-14-2013 10:18 PM

I understand that it hurts depth, but it's only day three of free agency. How many back up offensive linemen have signed contracts so far? Considering Jeff Backus just retired a few hours ago, I'm not going to panic over the fact that they haven't brought in anyone new on the offensive line yet.

dunagan15 03-14-2013 10:22 PM

With the addition of Steven Jackson you can rule out RB in round 1(Lacy being the only one worthy of a 1st round grade IMO). Also, Tony G coming back lets us put TE off for another year and cuts down 2 big needs.

Our entire focus will be ways to rush the passer. It has been our most glaring need the past 2 seasons. Only problem is at 30 I'm not feeling too good about a DE that can make that kind of impact so I have no clue how we play it.

Robcards 03-14-2013 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dunagan15 (Post 3302641)
With the addition of Steven Jackson you can rule out RB in round 1(Lacy being the only one worthy of a 1st round grade IMO). Also, Tony G coming back lets us put TE off for another year and cuts down 2 big needs.

Our entire focus will be ways to rush the passer. It has been our most glaring need the past 2 seasons. Only problem is at 30 I'm not feeling too good about a DE that can make that kind of impact so I have no clue how we play it.

Think the falcons are prime candidates to make a big trade up since their needs just got slashed and most of the top pass rushers will be gone by pick 15.

Attyla the Hawk 03-15-2013 11:43 AM

Honestly, I don't see anything approaching need on this Seattle roster now. It's pretty solid 2 deep across the board (except fullback).

I'd say we should just trade all our picks for higher future picks, but the expectation is we're going to get a couple starters with those 8 day 2/3 picks anyway. Push some existing starters down the depth chart.

I don't think anyone has any clue what Seattle is going to take. Maybe WLB now, but that's not a given. They're just going to take fit/scheme BPA at this point.

He's hoping for another D- draft day grade, complete with a 'worst draft decision in the history of decisions' rant.

Robcards 03-15-2013 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Attyla the Hawk (Post 3302990)
Honestly, I don't see anything approaching need on this Seattle roster now. It's pretty solid 2 deep across the board (except fullback).

I'd say we should just trade all our picks for higher future picks, but the expectation is we're going to get a couple starters with those 8 day 2/3 picks anyway. Push some existing starters down the depth chart.

I don't think anyone has any clue what Seattle is going to take. Maybe WLB now, but that's not a given. They're just going to take fit/scheme BPA at this point.

He's hoping for another D- draft day grade, complete with a 'worst draft decision in the history of decisions' rant.


Right tackle and weak-side linebacker isn't strong 1-deep, FYI

gpngc 03-15-2013 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Attyla the Hawk (Post 3302990)
Honestly, I don't see anything approaching need on this Seattle roster now. It's pretty solid 2 deep across the board (except fullback).

I'd say we should just trade all our picks for higher future picks, but the expectation is we're going to get a couple starters with those 8 day 2/3 picks anyway. Push some existing starters down the depth chart.

I don't think anyone has any clue what Seattle is going to take. Maybe WLB now, but that's not a given. They're just going to take fit/scheme BPA at this point.

He's hoping for another D- draft day grade, complete with a 'worst draft decision in the history of decisions' rant.

Lol.

TE though. Miller won't be back after this season and McCoy isn't much.

Escobar, reed or kelce or maybe ertz in the 2nd

Bills2083 03-15-2013 12:36 PM

Update your draft needs for the Bills accordingly:

Major Needs:
  • QB
  • Z WR
  • TE
  • LG
  • OLB
  • ILB

Minor/Moderate Needs:
  • WR Depth
  • DE
  • CB
  • SS

Black Bolt 03-15-2013 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by P-L (Post 3302635)
I understand that it hurts depth, but it's only day three of free agency. How many back up offensive linemen have signed contracts so far? Considering Jeff Backus just retired a few hours ago, I'm not going to panic over the fact that they haven't brought in anyone new on the offensive line yet.

And I am not saying you should panic, I am just saying that this opens up a need and because of their position in the draft, it's far more likely than it once was that the Lions will be picking an OT with the #5 pick.

prock 03-15-2013 01:04 PM

There is some good high end LT talent in this draft and a whole lot of pass rush depth. OT should be the pick for the Lions.

Black Bolt 03-15-2013 01:08 PM

Raiders needs:

Tier I - DT, DE, CB, TE, S, OG

Tier II - RB, OLB, WR, OT

Yeah, we got a lot of them.


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