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mightytitan9 03-27-2013 12:07 PM

Biggest Knocks On [Insert Player Here]
 
Ok so this thread is pretty simple, the person above you will have listed a players name, and you say your biggest knocks on him. For example, is he undersized and a step slow? Did he lack stats in college, or not play well when his team faced tough competition? Did he drop what would have been a game winning catch? Does he have off the field issues?

For best results, it will be easier to quote the poster you are referring to, as it may get out of order pretty quickly.

Don't forget to respond to the previous poster AND leave a player for the next person to comment on. It's fine to post the same player several times, but if you've already answered one on that player please wait for someone else to reply.

Ok to start it off,

Desmond Trufant

K Train 03-27-2013 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mightytitan9 (Post 3313723)
Ok so this thread is pretty simple, the person above you will have listed a players name, and you say your biggest knocks on him. For example, is he undersized and a step slow? Did he lack stats in college, or not play well when his team faced tough competition? Did he drop what would have been a game winning catch? Does he have off the field issues?

For best results, it will be easier to quote the poster you are referring to, as it may get out of order pretty quickly.

Don't forget to respond to the previous poster AND leave a player for the next person to comment on. It's fine to post the same player several times, but if you've already answered one on that player please wait for someone else to reply.

Ok to start it off,

Desmond Trufant

He has poor press technique which can lead to big plays, and hes not nearly as physical as hes made out to be. Hes also a tackle whiff waiting to happen. Has come a long way since his freshman year though

Jesse Williams

Pat Sims 90 03-27-2013 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by K Train (Post 3313751)
He has poor press technique which can lead to big plays, and hes not nearly as physical as hes made out to be. Hes also a tackle whiff waiting to happen. Has come a long way since his freshman year though

Jesse Williams

One trick pony. Does not show much in the pass rush department. Gets cut blocked a bunch because he raises his pad level at the snap.

Cordarrelle Patterson

Don Vito 03-27-2013 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat Sims 90 (Post 3313759)
One trick pony. Does not show much in the pass rush department. Gets cut blocked a bunch because he raises his pad level at the snap.

Cordarrelle Patterson

Patterson is still far from a polished receiver. Is a great athlete but needs to really learn the fine points of playing the position that makes talented athletes into great pro receivers.

Going to add something on Jesse Williams-he is not the most explosive DT prospect we have ever seen, but he is hardly a lumbering slob. As PatSims alluded to he is not a dominant pass rusher, but I think he could develop into a good player in that department. I think Williams will end up being one of the best players in this class, he is still very new to the game and is a monster of a talent. Would love him on the Pats.

Datone Jones.

AntoinCD 03-27-2013 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Pat Sims 90 (Post 3313759)
One trick pony. Does not show much in the pass rush department. Gets cut blocked a bunch because he raises his pad level at the snap.

Cordarrelle Patterson

Body catcher who needs to learn how to be a WR. Electric in the open field but OCs will have to scheme to get him the ball in space as he hasn't shown a consistent ability to win as a WR on the outside.

Sheldon Richardson

Matthew Jones 03-27-2013 01:01 PM

Richardson's lack of bulk prevents him from being a quality run defender, he cannot fit in a two-gap scheme, and there are some concerns regarding his character.

Jonathan Cooper

SenorGato 03-27-2013 01:07 PM

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Datone Jones.
Solid but unspectacular athlete with unspectacular size.

Gio Bernard

SenorGato 03-27-2013 01:08 PM

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Jonathan Cooper
Needs to add strength in his lower body and core

Sticking with Gio Bernard

SuperPacker 03-27-2013 01:12 PM

Not much to dislike about Bernard, but for his size and build, it would help if he got a little stronger if he wants to be a dependable, every down back. He's in the Ray Rice, MJD mould, but lacks the same power as those two.

Jarvis Jones

Don Vito 03-27-2013 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorGato (Post 3313786)
Needs to add strength in his lower body and core

Sticking with Gio Bernard

First thing that comes to mind with Bernard is how often he gets injured. That is a big concern, especially for an NFL RB. Didn't show the explosive athleticism some people expected at the combine if I am not mistaken.

Jonathan Cyprien

K Train 03-27-2013 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorGato (Post 3313785)
Solid but unspectacular athlete with unspectacular size.

Gio Bernard

Bernard is fragile, and doesnt run with much power. An excellent ZBS runner, but are they worth a high draft pick?

Hes a poor mans chris johnson (as a prospect, not 2000 yard rusher), who at the time was a poor mans reggie bush...maybe hes too poor of a man at this point (kidding)

Corey Lemonier

SuperPacker 03-27-2013 01:13 PM

It's Jarvis Jones bitches!!!

Don Vito 03-27-2013 01:15 PM

I would answer Jarvis Jones the same way I answered Bernanrd-questions about durability and not having ideal measurables. The tape shows you a lot with those two. Jones' athleticism is much more a question mark than it is for Bernard, though.

JONATHAN CYPRIEN!!

K Train 03-27-2013 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SuperPacker (Post 3313794)
It's Jarvis Jones bitches!!!

Spinal Stenosis lol

Not great timed speed, questionable off season work ethic

Sticking with Lemonier

AntoinCD 03-27-2013 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by K Train (Post 3313800)
Spinal Stenosis lol

Not great timed speed, questionable off season work ethic

Sticking with Lemonier

Complete liability in the run game and really lacks awareness. Very good athlete but looks lost in space. Situational pass rusher???

Robert Woods

K Train 03-27-2013 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 3313797)
I would answer Jarvis Jones the same way I answered Bernanrd-questions about durability and not having ideal measurables. The tape shows you a lot with those two. Jones' athleticism is much more a question mark than it is for Bernard, though.

JONATHAN CYPRIEN!!

Dying breed of safety, in the box, underrated in coverage but still not great. He takes wildly off angles some times and he isnt shy about laying a crushing blow to the ball carriers head, which is a problem in the pros (sadly)

Margus Hunt

K Train 03-27-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AntoinCD (Post 3313802)
Complete liability in the run game and really lacks awareness. Very good athlete but looks lost in space. Situational pass rusher???

Robert Woods

Slow-ish off the snap, absolutely gets destroyed in run blocking, has very little YAC ability.


BW Webb

AntoinCD 03-27-2013 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by K Train (Post 3313806)
Dying breed of safety, in the box, underrated in coverage but still not great. He takes wildly off angles some times and he isnt shy about laying a crushing blow to the ball carriers head, which is a problem in the pros (sadly)

Margus Hunt

More freak than football player. Didn't play to his measureables and I don't see a difference maker at either base end or 5 technique. Lacks top first step and needs to play with better leverage.

Alec Ogletree

K Train 03-27-2013 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by AntoinCD (Post 3313810)
More freak than football player. Didn't play to his measureables and I don't see a difference maker at either base end or 5 technique. Lacks top first step and needs to play with better leverage.

Alec Ogletree

Easy one....takes horrible angles, is undersized to the point where he cant take on guards very effectively, looks clumsy in traffic....he trips while trying to make a tackle in traffic while a guy like Arthur brown glides and shows weaving magic. on film it seems like hes everywhere on the field, but really is only effective when hes untouched. Ernie simms to me

Jon Hankins

edit: this is fun

keylime_5 03-27-2013 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by K Train (Post 3313817)
Easy one....takes horrible angles, is undersized to the point where he cant take on guards very effectively, looks clumsy in traffic....he trips while trying to make a tackle in traffic while a guy like Arthur brown glides and shows weaving magic. on film it seems like hes everywhere on the field, but really is only effective when hes untouched. Ernie simms to me

Jon Hankins

edit: this is fun

Flashes dominance and is a good athlete for being as big as he is, but he disappears at times and is inconsistent, not just from game to game but from quarter to quarter in a game. Might have to do with endurance/stamina issues and he might have trouble staying in shape as he gets older.

Tyler Eifert.

SenorGato 03-27-2013 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by keylime_5 (Post 3313833)
Tyler Eifert.

Not a finished all around product right now, though he's very good in the more important aspect (catching passes). Also there always seems to be an uncertainty around ND guys, even when they're good.

Chance Warmack

AntoinCD 03-27-2013 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorGato (Post 3313842)
Not a finished all around product right now, though he's very good in the more important aspect (catching passes). Also there always seems to be an uncertainty around ND guys, even when they're good.

Chance Warmack

Great inline player with tremendous functional strength but isn't a guy you can count on to lead the way at the second level on stretch runs or screens. Also doesn't offer much in the way of versatility.

Luke Joeckel

K Train 03-27-2013 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AntoinCD (Post 3313852)
Great inline player with tremendous functional strength but isn't a guy you can count on to lead the way at the second level on stretch runs or screens. Also doesn't offer much in the way of versatility.

Luke Joeckel

not many holes in his game, but id say the biggest one is his run blocking...he just needs to get stronger to be the caliber of run blocking LT as he is already as a pass blocking LT.

Eric Reid

Matthew Jones 03-27-2013 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by K Train (Post 3313891)
not many holes in his game, but id say the biggest one is his run blocking...he just needs to get stronger to be the caliber of run blocking LT as he is already as a pass blocking LT.

Eric Reid

May lack the foot speed to be a true center-fielder in the NFL, and probably won't be able to match up in the slot against wide receivers. Occasionally misses a few open-field tackles as well.

Menelik Watson

BallerT1215 03-27-2013 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Jones (Post 3313918)
May lack the foot speed to be a true center-fielder in the NFL, and probably won't be able to match up in the slot against wide receivers. Occasionally misses a few open-field tackles as well.

Menelik Watson

Watson is still very raw. Very limited football experience and had to go junior college rout when coming from Europe. While he has a wide frame, he does not always play that way. His footwork is also below average (due to lack of experience) but he has the quickness to fix that.


Da'Rick Rogers.


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