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Matthew Jones 03-31-2013 12:25 PM

Nightmare Ccenarios for Your Team?
 
In your opinion, who are the worst picks your team could potentially make in the first round? For New England, I'm thinking something like this:

OT Justin Pugh - Pats like left tackles to convert to other spots, but they don't need to upgrade at right guard enough to reach on someone like Pugh.

OG Kyle Long - Another left tackle who the Patriots could unfortunately like as a right guard conversion prospect; too old to go this high as well.

C Barrett Jones - Ryan Wendell did a great job last year, and I'm not sure that Jones is athletic enough to consistently execute pull/move blocks.

DT Johnathan Hankins - Offers little to nothing as a pass rusher; New England needs more of a three-technique penetrator than another nose tackle.

DT Jesse Williams - Same reasoning as Hankins; Patriots may also value Williams because he is well-versed in Nick Saban's two-gap defensive front.

DE Margus Hunt - Doesn't consistently play up to his athleticism and wasn't incredibly productive; could end up being the NFL's next Adam Carriker.

DE Alex Okafor - A little bit limited in terms of scheme; high character player who may not ever develop into a dynamic pass rushing option at left end.

CB David Amerson - Does not play up to his measurables; looks slow on tape and is one of the draft's weakest tacklers. Not a great cover corner.

CB Jamar Taylor - Allows a little bit too much separation; Patriots love measurables at cornerback, so they could be seduced by his workout numbers.

SS Matt Elam - Could end up being a Bernard Pollard-type player in the NFL, but isn't big or athletic enough to match up in man coverage vs. WRs/TEs.

Wootylicous 03-31-2013 12:30 PM

Add Sylvester Williams to that list.

phlysac 03-31-2013 12:31 PM

The players that I see regularly mocked that I'd be angry with...

Jonathan Jenkins
Johnathan Hankins
Margus Hunt

Matthew Jones 03-31-2013 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Wootylicous (Post 3316866)
Add Sylvester Williams to that list.

I think he'd be alright, at least comparatively. I think he'd be a better pick in the 40s than in the first round, though.

Matthew Jones 03-31-2013 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by phlysac (Post 3316867)
The players that I see regularly mocked that I'd be angry with...

Jonathan Jenkins
Johnathan Hankins
Margus Hunt

I don't disagree with any of those from the perspective of a San Francisco fan, but who are 49ers fans looking for? Personally, I'd be hoping for someone like Johnthan Banks, realistically speaking.

Wootylicous 03-31-2013 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Jones (Post 3316868)
I think he'd be alright, at least comparatively. I think he'd be a better pick in the 40s than in the first round, though.

I want Desmond Trufant.

Matthew Jones 03-31-2013 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Wootylicous (Post 3316873)
I want Desmond Trufant.

I agree, but I really don't think he'll be available. A cornerback with measurables, intangibles, experience, and bloodlines will probably go too high, possibly around #13 (Tampa Bay) or maybe to a team like the Giants at #19.

cmarq83 03-31-2013 12:49 PM

You can never have enough good offensive lineman. As of right now the Pats haven't much success running the football against good defenses. If Dante thinks that Pugh or Long are good enough to take at 28, I'd trust him with his track record. Considering Connolly and/or Mankins may not be long for this team considering their contracts both exceed their recent performance, a cheap young guard may not be a bad choice in the first round.

vidae 03-31-2013 12:52 PM

I would hate Shariff Floyd going 1st overall to KC. Absolutely hate it.

Matthew Jones 03-31-2013 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cmarq83 (Post 3316880)
You can never have enough good offensive lineman. As of right now the Pats haven't much success running the football against good defenses. If Dante thinks that Pugh or Long are good enough to take at 28, I'd trust him with his track record. Considering Connolly and/or Mankins may not be long for this team considering their contracts both exceed their recent performance, a cheap young guard may not be a bad choice in the first round.

I think Mankins played well last year. Connolly is only average but now that Vollmer has been re-signed for four years, I'd rather try Marcus Cannon at right guard if Connolly plays poorly, rather than bypassing Cannon for a first-round guard when there are more pressing needs at more important positions. I have Pugh rated as a second-round guy, and Kyle Long may be a third-rounder for me given his age, inexperience, and the fact that he's taller than you'd like a zone-blocking guard to be. I also think letting Donald Thomas walk suggests that New England is happy with their current guard play.

phlysac 03-31-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Jones (Post 3316872)
I don't disagree with any of those from the perspective of a San Francisco fan, but who are 49ers fans looking for? Personally, I'd be hoping for someone like Johnthan Banks, realistically speaking.

Top needs are

* an heir to Justin Smith
* HWS upgrade at CB
* replacement for Goldson

Pretty much any position could be selected if Baalke sees the player as clearly BPA.

Matthew Jones 03-31-2013 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by phlysac (Post 3316901)
Top needs are

* an heir to Justin Smith
* HWS upgrade at CB
* replacement for Goldson

Pretty much any position could be selected if Baalke sees the player as clearly BPA.

What about Jesse Williams? Not the pass rusher Justin Smith is, but has the bulk/anchor/strength/length to occupy blockers and free up Aldon Smith off the edge.

cmarq83 03-31-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Matthew Jones (Post 3316888)
I think Mankins played well last year. Connolly is only average but now that Vollmer has been re-signed for four years, I'd rather try Marcus Cannon at right guard if Connolly plays poorly, rather than bypassing Cannon for a first-round guard when there are more pressing needs at more important positions. I have Pugh rated as a second-round guy, and Kyle Long may be a third-rounder for me given his age, inexperience, and the fact that he's taller than you'd like a zone-blocking guard to be. I also think letting Donald Thomas walk suggests that New England is happy with their current guard play.

Can't say I agree with the Mankins statement. The Pats rushing offense was at its best in the weeks where Thomas started in place of the injured Mankins, and Mankins really struggled in pass protection early in the season especially against Arizona. He definitely has not lived up to his contract since he signed it.

Nonetheless guard is the worst spot on the line, and they haven't had a lot of success running against good defenses. In the losses this past season to Baltimore x2, Arizona, San Fran, and Seattle they averaged almost 53 passing attempts in those games. They would abandon the run after the first half and start turning the ball over by forcing the ball through the air in the 2nd half.

By adding another good guard they would solidify a spot that could really use some help. I'm not sold on Cannon, and I don't think he's a great fit at guard for us anyways. If Dante thinks that Pugh or Long are worthy of a 1st round pick it would be hard to argue with the selection considering his track record. I prefer Long because I'm not sure if Pugh can get enough push in the run game to have first round upside, but I definitely think guard is a very legitimate position of need for this team.

Shupp 03-31-2013 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by phlysac (Post 3316867)
The players that I see regularly mocked that I'd be angry with...

Jonathan Jenkins
Johnathan Hankins
Margus Hunt

Add Zach Ertz and Johnathan Banks and that about wraps it up.

bigbluedefense 03-31-2013 01:55 PM

Manti Teo for the Giants. I just don't want any part of him at all.

And Werner as well. Not a huge Werner fan. Or Montgomery.

Robcards 03-31-2013 02:09 PM

Biggest disaster for the Jets would be if they take any QB in the 1st, potentially awful if they take one in the 2nd if its not Geno or Barkley.

farfromforgotten 03-31-2013 02:13 PM

When I hear "scenario" I think along the lines of certain players being gone. For my 49ers, the nightmare scenario for me would be all the DL's and DB's I like being gone by picks 31 and 34. I don't think all the d linemen I like will be gone... I like Williams, Jones, and Short around that area. The top d backs will most assuredly be gone by then... Truant, Rhodes, and Vacarro. I wouldn't mind trading up into the 20's for one of those DB's if the price were right. If we stick with 31 and 34 I guess I'd want one of those linemen and probably Cyprien at this point.

Matthew Jones 03-31-2013 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cmarq83 (Post 3316928)
Can't say I agree with the Mankins statement. The Pats rushing offense was at its best in the weeks where Thomas started in place of the injured Mankins, and Mankins really struggled in pass protection early in the season especially against Arizona. He definitely has not lived up to his contract since he signed it.

Nonetheless guard is the worst spot on the line, and they haven't had a lot of success running against good defenses. In the losses this past season to Baltimore x2, Arizona, San Fran, and Seattle they averaged almost 53 passing attempts in those games. They would abandon the run after the first half and start turning the ball over by forcing the ball through the air in the 2nd half.

By adding another good guard they would solidify a spot that could really use some help. I'm not sold on Cannon, and I don't think he's a great fit at guard for us anyways. If Dante thinks that Pugh or Long are worthy of a 1st round pick it would be hard to argue with the selection considering his track record. I prefer Long because I'm not sure if Pugh can get enough push in the run game to have first round upside, but I definitely think guard is a very legitimate position of need for this team.

I agree that Mankins hasn't lived up to his contract, but nonetheless we are committed to him for two or three more years. $7.2 million of his $10 million cap number is guaranteed this year, $8 million of his $10.5 million is guaranteed in 2014, and whether or not the Patriots are willing to eat $4 million of his $11 million cap figure for 2015 will depend on how he plays in the next couple of years. I think we can mark him down as the starting left guard for at least 2013 and 2014, with the possibility of sticking around for 2015 if he's willing to accept a reduced salary or if his play improves.

That leaves only the right guard spot potentially open, and I think based on Cannon's combination of size, athleticism, and versatility, we should at least see what we have in him before thinking about using a premium pick at the position, especially because we know we have Dan Connolly as a decent fallback option. I don't doubt that a player like Pugh could be successful under Dante Scarnecchia, but being able to evaluate and develop offensive linemen successfully doesn't mean that the Patriots should abandon their efforts to find long-term solutions at wide receiver, defensive end, or cornerback, where we don't really have a lot of certainty (no proven complement to Amendola on roster, Ninkovich and Talib entering contract years.)

I'd be more receptive to a later investment, but I think Scarnecchia has a lot to work with in Cannon; Belichick also recently claimed that Cannon has "improved tremendously as a player" and has the potential to become a starter.

fatso 03-31-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Wootylicous (Post 3316866)
Add Sylvester Williams to that list.

Besides his age, what don't you like about Sylvester? JW, because I'm a fan of his.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 3316947)
Manti Teo for the Giants. I just don't want any part of him at all.

And Werner as well. Not a huge Werner fan. Or Montgomery.

Weird. I've been thinking all along if he slipped to you guys Werner would be the perfect fit. What don't you like?

bigbluedefense 03-31-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fatso (Post 3317042)
Besides his age, what don't you like about Sylvester? JW, because I'm a fan of his.



Weird. I've been thinking all along if he slipped to you guys Werner would be the perfect fit. What don't you like?

Just a personal preference of mine. When it comes to pass rushers, I want physical specimens. Guys who have long arms, and great speed. Doesn't have to be JPP but I want a good body on em. I much rather have Tank than Werner. Werner doesn't have elite physical tools.

Montgomery is slow off the line. So he's no bueno to me.

Raiderz4Life 03-31-2013 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by vidae (Post 3316882)
I would hate Shariff Floyd going 1st overall to KC. Absolutely hate it.

All of this but 3rd to Oak

gonzo1105 03-31-2013 03:39 PM

Barkevious Mingo to the Bills would be nightmare scenario for me

Throw in Kenny Vacarro. Thats pretty much it. The bills roster is so terrible that any direction they go in i'll be okay with. Those two are really the only ones. I also wouldn't want a first round QB but after the Kolb signing I wouldn't expect that

coordinator0 03-31-2013 03:55 PM

For the Ravens I'm going to go with Ogletree. ILB is a need and Baltimore could use an injection of speed/athleticism at that position but I don't think he fits there at all.

Eric Reid is another prospect I'm not particularly fond of. He would be playing SS for the Ravens and I like him better there than FS but there are other players I like more for them.

BuckeyeBrown133 03-31-2013 04:28 PM

Browns: Draft a QB. There are about four guys I'd be happy with Cleveland drafting at 6 (Jordan, Ansah, Jones, Milliner), and I know them taking a QB is highly unlikely, but I'm still scared. :(

SenorGato 03-31-2013 05:11 PM

Going to go with "a bad draft."


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