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shylo3716 04-29-2013 03:03 PM

De'Anthony Thomas, RB/WR, Oregon
 
I think by Chip leaving it may effect him this year as far his role and getting touches the way he did. This year he will have to find a natural position to play whether it's WR or move back to CB. This is a make or break year in the transition of playing the WR spot full time if that's what he intends to do. By all means he is a first rounder, but if he thinks he can play RB at the next level he won't be.

By Tavon Austin being selected in the Top 10 of the draft it helps Thomas case even more to make the transition to WR at the next level, because he is just as dynamic as Austin with the ball in his hands.

descendency 04-29-2013 03:22 PM

I'm very interested to see Tavon Austin play this year, because I honestly think the Rams will never get the value out of Austin that they've invested.

I do think he will be a good slot WR and maybe PR/KR (though, I don't want a top 10 pick playing on special teams like that), but I think a #1 WR is the only way you can get top 10 value for a WR.

Can Austin become that?

There is no doubt that Thomas is a similar type player, but he definitely (from the Oregon games I've seen) needs to take on more responsibility to be anywhere near what Austin was. I don't see him as a first rounder right now without it.

tjsunstein 04-29-2013 03:42 PM

Thomas is rooting for guys like Harvin and Austin to succeed and continue to emerge as weapons in the NFL regardless of position. Austin has about 10 pounds on Thomas, but we'll have to wait on official combine numbers. Thomas looks a lot skinnier than Austin did.

We also have to remember that Austin also benefited greatly from a weak draft class. Next year we have Marquise Lee and Sammy Watkins who should both go top 20. Also a big time year from Mike Evans and Malcolm Mitchell could bump Thomas down a little.

What is his position in the NFL? We knew that Austin was a WR at the next level despite the number of carries he had last year. Thomas is probably going to carry the ball more than catch it this upcoming season.

I don't think Thomas is going to sniff the top 15, but he might sneak into the late first to a team that is set at both RB and WR and looking for a playmaker. He isn't going to be the answer to fix either position for a team at the next level.

stlouisfan37 04-29-2013 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tjsunstein (Post 3351860)
Thomas is rooting for guys like Harvin and Austin to succeed and continue to emerge as weapons in the NFL regardless of position. Austin has about 10 pounds on Thomas, but we'll have to wait on official combine numbers. Thomas looks a lot skinnier than Austin did.

We also have to remember that Austin also benefited greatly from a weak draft class. Next year we have Marquise Lee and Sammy Watkins who should both go top 20. Also a big time year from Mike Evans and Malcolm Mitchell could bump Thomas down a little.

What is his position in the NFL? We knew that Austin was a WR at the next level despite the number of carries he had last year. Thomas is probably going to carry the ball more than catch it this upcoming season.

I don't think Thomas is going to sniff the top 15, but he might sneak into the late first to a team that is set at both RB and WR and looking for a playmaker. He isn't going to be the answer to fix either position for a team at the next level.

I think this is where the NFL is evolving. Teams want players who are versatile, rather than the guy with a defined skillset who fits the mold of one position. Austin showed in college that he could do anything he was asked to do, and not only be productive in foreign roles, but actually take the game over. To minimize that and try to pidgeonhole him as a slot/return man only is unfair. I think he will do a lot of things that people won't expect. Those big CB's in Seattle will have a hell of a time keeping up with him, and he will be too elusive to bump at the line all the time.

tjsunstein 04-29-2013 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by stlouisfan37 (Post 3351911)
I think this is where the NFL is evolving. Teams want players who are versatile, rather than the guy with a defined skillset who fits the mold of one position. Austin showed in college that he could do anything he was asked to do, and not only be productive in foreign roles, but actually take the game over. To minimize that and try to pidgeonhole him as a slot/return man only is unfair. I think he will do a lot of things that people won't expect. Those big CB's in Seattle will have a hell of a time keeping up with him, and he will be too elusive to bump at the line all the time.

The NFL was suppose to be evolving when the Chiefs took McCluster, who is the exact same player but a step slower. I think Thomas finds himself drafted where McCluster was (36th) and that's in the late first/early second range.

SchizophrenicBatman 04-29-2013 04:36 PM

Saying that McCluster is the same player as Thomas but a step (I would argue two steps) slower is like saying any of a hundred 6'6 quarterbacks are the same player as Joe Flacco with a weaker arm.

BRAVEHEART 04-29-2013 04:39 PM

I fail to see how some can consider Tavon Austin a 1st rounder and not DeAnthony Thomas. It's not like DeAnthony can't catch the ball.

tjsunstein 04-29-2013 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SchizophrenicBatman (Post 3351947)
Saying that McCluster is the same player as Thomas but a step (I would argue two steps) slower is like saying any of a hundred 6'6 quarterbacks are the same player as Joe Flacco with a weaker arm.

What was McCluster? A RB/WR/RS, right? What's Thomas? The same. It's not even close to comparing QBs and I sincerely hope you know that.

BallerT1215 04-29-2013 04:52 PM

Mamba is a 1st rnd pick.

He has actually bulked up a little bit too, and has no off the field problems. Add that in with his skill set. No doubt.

tjsunstein 04-29-2013 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by BRAVEHEART (Post 3351951)
I fail to see how some can consider Tavon Austin a 1st rounder and not DeAnthony Thomas. It's not like DeAnthony can't catch the ball.

I'm not saying he can't catch but he isn't going to be a better #1 WR option next year with Lee and Watkins, nor is he going to be a better RB option in the NFL than Seastrunk. It's relative to the draft class. Thomas would have been a first this year. He's a fringe 1st, and a more likely very early 2nd in the 2014 draft as it stands. And that may be a little high.

BallerT1215 04-29-2013 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by tjsunstein (Post 3351987)
I'm not saying he can't catch but he isn't going to be a better #1 WR option next year with Lee and Watkins, nor is he going to be a better RB option in the NFL than Seastrunk. It's relative to the draft class. Thomas would have been a first this year. He's a fringe 1st, and a more likely very early 2nd in the 2014 draft as it stands. And that may be a little high.

I can easily see Lee and Watkins going in top 10 next year with Thomas rounding out in the teens/early 20's.

tjsunstein 04-29-2013 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BallerT1215 (Post 3351995)
I can easily see Lee and Watkins going in top 10 next year with Thomas rounding out in the teens/early 20's.

At this point, we're debating inches here if you're pegging him as early 20s and I have him early 30s.

Caulibflower 04-29-2013 05:03 PM

Meh, everybody was saying Tavon was a second rounder last year because of all the "No. 1 wideouts in this class," but obviously his playmaking ability is more coveted than another player's size. Barring an injury or something, I expect Thomas to have a huge year and be a high pick. He's electric. He's averaged 10 yards per touch on plays from scrimmage over his first two years and has 32 combined TDs. Then there's the 4 return TDs. It's not hard to argue he's been better his first two years in college than Reggie Bush was, not to mention Tavon Austin.

BRAVEHEART 04-29-2013 05:04 PM

I agree with both of you guys. I might be biased, but I think Marqise has the potential to go in the top 5. There's only one other player that I think is head and shoulders above his peers (at his respective position), and that's Jadeaveon.

Caulibflower 04-29-2013 05:07 PM

In other words, the answer to "But what position will he play?" is "It doesn't matter."

tjsunstein 04-29-2013 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower (Post 3352005)
In other words, the answer to "But what position will he play?" is "It doesn't matter."

The reality of it from a GM standpoint is that it does matter where you take a player like this and who you pass up to take him. The Rams could afford to take Austin because they had other picks in the first and I think that's lost in all of this. The next draft is a little more loaded in premium talent than this one.

FUNBUNCHER 04-29-2013 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tjsunstein (Post 3351976)
What was McCluster? A RB/WR/RS, right? What's Thomas? The same. It's not even close to comparing QBs and I sincerely hope you know that.

McCluster ran a 4.5/4.6 predraft. THat's a different universe from the 4.2/4.3 Austin and Thomas bring to the mix.

tjsunstein 04-29-2013 05:20 PM

De'Anthony Thomas won't be able to run between the tackles in the NFL nor will he be able to pass block. He's a luxury player but won't address the need of RB or WR by himself, and there are players that are able to do that.

FUNBUNCHER 04-29-2013 05:30 PM

Why do people automatically see a role for the Amendolas and Wes Welkers of the world, but have a hard time imagining how guys like De'Anthony Thomas and Tavon Austin fit in the NFL???

BTW, in hindsight Reggie Bush should have entered the NFL as WR.

tjsunstein 04-29-2013 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by FUNBUNCHER (Post 3352034)
Why do people automatically see a role for the Amendolas and Wes Welkers of the world, but have a hard time imagining how guys like De'Anthony Thomas and Tavon Austin fit in the NFL???

BTW, in hindsight Reggie Bush should have entered the NFL as WR.

No one is questioning how they fit in the NFL, it's become a conversation of draft value.

thebow305 04-29-2013 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tjsunstein (Post 3351860)
Thomas is rooting for guys like Harvin and Austin to succeed and continue to emerge as weapons in the NFL regardless of position. Austin has about 10 pounds on Thomas, but we'll have to wait on official combine numbers. Thomas looks a lot skinnier than Austin did.

We also have to remember that Austin also benefited greatly from a weak draft class. Next year we have Marquise Lee and Sammy Watkins who should both go top 20. Also a big time year from Mike Evans and Malcolm Mitchell could bump Thomas down a little.

What is his position in the NFL? We knew that Austin was a WR at the next level despite the number of carries he had last year. Thomas is probably going to carry the ball more than catch it this upcoming season.

I don't think Thomas is going to sniff the top 15, but he might sneak into the late first to a team that is set at both RB and WR and looking for a playmaker. He isn't going to be the answer to fix either position for a team at the next level.

Ummm.... No he doesn't They're the same exact size, and given another year, Thomas will be bigger.

And that's just straight up nonsense saying that Thomas won't benefit from a weak class like Tavon did. I agree it may mean he doesn't go top 10, but the only players that are even close to him in terms of acceleration and explosiveness are Watkins and Lee. So that means he "drops" in a WCS to the early teens.

If you don't think De'Anthony Thomas is a 2014 first round pick, then it's painfully obvious you've never watched him play. He is one of the Top 5 most explosive players I have seen in my lifetime. Right there with Tavon, if not more so.

JHasley10 04-29-2013 06:08 PM

Ive called him a Darren Sproles clone since his frosh yr. same player just FASTER which is scary

Caulibflower 04-29-2013 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tjsunstein (Post 3352013)
The reality of it from a GM standpoint is that it does matter where you take a player like this and who you pass up to take him. The Rams could afford to take Austin because they had other picks in the first and I think that's lost in all of this. The next draft is a little more loaded in premium talent than this one.

I mean it doesn't matter what you call him. He's a space player, like Austin. Especially with the rookie wage scale, teams are much less adverse to picking a guy high if they think his immediate contributions might be on return teams and screen plays, instead of being that AJ Green-type, go-up-and-get-it sort of receiver; they're going to see a player who will touch the ball a lot and be an upgrade over who they have at those positions (slot WR/scatback/ret) and even if Thomas isn't their "starting running back" or "starting wide receiver," he'll be an upgrade at three positions, and he'll be a big play threat every time he touches the ball. I mean, was CJ Spiller a bad pick? He's not a workhorse. Randall Cobb could've easily went higher in retrospect. Same with Darren Sproles. Percy Harvin just landed a pretty fat contract to not be a number one receiver. These players are having success, and it's why Tavon went at #8 this year. This year really wasn't a "weak" draft year, there just weren't any sexypiks. (quarterbacks). A player who is as fast and elusive as Thomas is a premium talent, especially as the league continues to transition to a game more about speed than power. And with offenses being increasingly creative, and spreading out defenses, players who can create a lot in space will continue to be increasingly coveted.

Caulibflower 04-29-2013 06:22 PM

I will say, though - it'll certainly be interesting to see how he gets used next year with Chip Kelly gone. Any Ducks fans out there know if the offense is going to go to a different scheme, or if the new coach plans to keep a lot of the same elements in place? Or if the new coach is supposed to be any good? Or if they've hired one? I don't really know anything about the state of Oregon football right now except that the NCAA is giving them the stink eye.

stlouisfan37 04-29-2013 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by tjsunstein (Post 3351931)
The NFL was suppose to be evolving when the Chiefs took McCluster, who is the exact same player but a step slower. I think Thomas finds himself drafted where McCluster was (36th) and that's in the late first/early second range.

I respectfully disagree...I think Thomas goes top 10. Austin was a 2nd round pick when this offseason started too.


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