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Denver Bronco56 06-10-2013 01:02 PM

Blast From the Past
 
I found an old laptop of mine today, and stumbled across some draft links i had saved for whatever reason. Either way it is very interesting because without the link I have found no way to actually find the sites other wise. Upon finding these links I figured I would share as a sort of hindsite 20-20 type thing and a look at some players and how they predicted them.


Here are some of the Broncos.


Deltha O'Neal - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ers/40619.html


**Pretty Spot on considering he made the pro-bowl right away as a returner





Ron Dayne - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ers/12465.html


** Interesting that they make reference to being powerfull as that was always his knock in the NFL, he was a big man that didnt play big.



Quentin Jammer - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ers/99580.html


**He was recruited and started out as a Safety at Texas, but i guess due to his speed and coverage skills got moved to CB



Peyton Manning - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...players/4.html


** I think this profile is hilarious because they say he has mobility, might have already hit his ceiling, they say he has potential to be a solid/productive nfl qb that doesnt possess HOF skill..

"he is not quite as natural a player as Leaf. One question that some NFL scouts have is the question “will he get any better?” "



Champ Bailey - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ers/14934.html


**Pretty much hit this right on the head, everything that Champ has done down to playing a limited WR role.




Al Wilson - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...yers/3501.html


**Just like it panned out his size didnt hold him back, and his speed and passion for the game made him a great player.




Clinton Portis - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ers/15163.html


** They had it right when they gave him credit for his patience and ability to set up blocks and see the field. But said he lacked big play ability, lacked ability to run outside, and most of all said he lacked burst and speed to break long runs.




Willis McGahee - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...yers/1208.html


** Cant Argue with this one, pretty much summed it up perfectly: Has all the talent in the world, but the injury makes him a HUGE risk... just turns out he was able to bounce back and display some of that skill he had before the injury for over 10 years in the NFL



Boss Bailey - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ayers/732.html


** Another player i feel like they got right... has the talent, but could he stay healthy? The answer was NO... he couldnt stay on the field long enough to show the skill he had.

"Recently ran a forty at 4.35 with a vertical jump of 45.5 inches." To think he was just as fast/faster than Champ, had a higher vert..

Now that i read all of this, im not sure how he ended up as a LB, he has that rare size and speed like a Sean Taylor type of saftey..




** Interesting to note Wes Welker was not listed on their draft site considering he was extremely productive in the Texas Tech spread....they had 85 WRs on the site, not one of them being him









To browse around some more, simply go to google and paste -- http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/draft/ --

That link and search, you can change the year from 2002 to any year you want and it will bring up that draft.

I was curious to see what players other people were able to find that were either dead wrong or spot on.

shylo3716 06-10-2013 01:37 PM

Links not working

Denver Bronco56 06-10-2013 01:45 PM

Sorry about that, fixed them.

Denver Bronco56 06-10-2013 02:08 PM

to help people look through the drafts and share some of the gems they find, ive go ahead and posted the links.



1998 - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...1998/nfldraft/


1999 - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...1999/nfldraft/


2000 - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...2000/nfldraft/


2001 - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...fl/2001/draft/


2002 - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2002/draft/


2003 - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2003/draft/


2004 - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ls/draft/2004/


2005 - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ls/draft/2005/


2006 - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ls/draft/2006/


2007 - http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo...ls/draft/2007/

Ness 06-10-2013 03:54 PM

All Wilson was awesome. Too bad he had to hang it up kind of early because of a neck injury I think it was.

Denver Bronco56 06-10-2013 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ness (Post 3383271)
All Wilson was awesome. Too bad he had to hang it up kind of early because of a neck injury I think it was.

Yeah it was on a routine play against Seattle. I think a swing pass he came up and made the stop, not a vicous hit or anything and next you know he isnt moving and all the players could tell it was serious and started yelling to get the trainers over.

Also reading about the drop off at MLB in his report, he ended up being a far more superior player than the "Big 2"

Caulibflower 06-10-2013 04:18 PM

1999

7DnBrnc53 06-12-2013 12:43 PM

Thanks for posting these. Very interesting.

I clicked on the 2001 link, and what stood out was their 2002 preview (posted on April 25, 2001).

Guess who was their projected 02 #1 at the time? John Henderson. They said that John "Would be a mammoth anchor for Houston to build its defense around".

It is too bad Houston didn't see it that way. David Carr had no business being the #1 pick overall.

This mock didn't even have him in the "other possible first round picks" list at the bottom of the page, let alone the first round.

They had three QB's projected to go in the first round in 2002:

1. Junior Chris Simms (projected to go ninth overall)
2. Junior Carson Palmer (22nd overall)
3. Senior Joey Harrington (32nd overall)

And, in the best of the rest, the QB's they had were Kurt Kittner of Illinois, David Neill of Nevada (never heard of him), and Jason Thomas of UNLV (A guy who would be hyped, but never lived up to it. He may have been the Logan Thomas of 2002).

Jcn92 06-12-2013 07:48 PM

Wow. Looking at 98 draft QBs list, are those ranked in order of who they thought was the best? If so wow. Not only is Manning behind Leaf, but all the QBs they have ahead of Hasselbeck is funny looking back. Mike McQueary is ahead of Hasselbeck.

Jcn92 06-12-2013 08:00 PM

Thanks for posting these. I'm having fun going back and looking at what guys wrote. This one is great, here's what SI's Dr. Z had to say about his top five WRs in the 98 draft.

Quote:

Note: If you're looking for Marshall's all-world Randy Moss, you won't find him in this list, even if it went 20 deep. Will get downfield in a hurry if they give him room, but he'll get buried by NFL-style bump and run.
His top 5 were. Kevin Dyson, Jacquez Green, Germane Crowell, Marcus Nash and Joe Jurevicius.

J-Mike88 06-12-2013 08:42 PM

Great stuff, nice post.
More proof that the geniuses just guess like the rest of us.

7DnBrnc53 06-13-2013 07:22 AM

On the 1999 link, they did a fan poll that dealt with which rookie QB would have the best career.

Couch was first at 27%, which isn't surprising, but Cade McNown was second at 23 %.

BTW, speaking of blast from the past, here is a link to the Google usenet forums for football: https://groups.google.com/forum/?fro...t.football.pro

You can look up a topic from the 90's or 00's, and find what they were saying on the forums back then about it.

For example, I looked up 1992 NFL Draft, and found a post from that year about the mock that Joel Buschbaum of Pro Football Weekly had posted.

Denver Bronco56 06-13-2013 10:02 AM

Yeah I really liked seeing how some of the guys panned out, if they lived up to the hype.. and some of the predictions were just spot on.

WCH 06-13-2013 10:32 AM

Google's usenet archive is a treasure.

BallerT1215 06-13-2013 05:56 PM

I would have taken Charles Rogers over Andre as well.


Ehhhh.....

7DnBrnc53 06-14-2013 02:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njx9 (Post 3385962)
ugh, i never wanted to remember deltha o'neal ever again. what a garbage cornerback. if i had to pick between him and alphonso smith, i'd choose ODing on heroin.

I agree. The Broncos moved O'Neal to WR in 2003 for a time because he sucked so bad. I would have rather taken Ron Dayne that year instead of him, although ultimately, we should have drafted Julian Peterson or John Abraham that year.

7DnBrnc53 06-14-2013 03:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BallerT1215 (Post 3385964)
I would have taken Charles Rogers over Andre as well.


Ehhhh.....

What's funny is that, in that 2003 mock that they had in the 2002 section, they had Roy Williams coming out a year early and being taken ahead of both Rogers and Andre Johnson. They also said that his nickname at Texas was "Legend".

Denver Bronco56 06-14-2013 08:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by njx9 (Post 3385962)
ugh, i never wanted to remember deltha o'neal ever again. what a garbage cornerback. if i had to pick between him and alphonso smith, i'd choose ODing on heroin.

HAHHA yeah both were terrible picks...BUT O'neal atleast provided a threat in the return game... but him playing his actual position was a nightmare, and i dont care how good you are you dont draft a return man in the 1st round.

WCH 06-14-2013 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BallerT1215 (Post 3385964)
I would have taken Charles Rogers over Andre as well.


Ehhhh.....

About a year ago, Eliot Wolf (Packers Director of Pro Personnel) tweeted "I'd still rather have Charles Rogers than Andre Johnson."

mightytitan9 06-14-2013 11:18 AM

I actually had Andre higher than Rogers

BallerT1215 06-14-2013 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WCH (Post 3386269)
About a year ago, Eliot Wolf (Packers Director of Pro Personnel) tweeted "I'd still rather have Charles Rogers than Andre Johnson."

lol that is pretty classic.


Rogers/Andre is pretty similar to AJ/Julio. When those two were coming out, majority were for Rogers with very few liking Andre more. Rogers was considered the polished WR that would come in day 1 and make an impact while Andre was questioned as relying on his athleticism and build to get by so he possibly wasn't capable of being a #1.

Same thing with AJ/Julio where Julio's big question mark was if he could truly run routes and just not depend on his athleticism/build. (I know some people questioned if AJ could break off DBs with his size in the NFL)

In both cases I liked the "accomplished WR" and in both cases the "athletic/potential" WR's have worked out pretty damn good so far.

I still think Rogers was a #1 WR that had bad luck in terms of injury combined with stupidity off the field.

BallerT1215 06-14-2013 01:25 PM

You would like to think if he had not suffered the collarbone injuries, then obviously he would have been involved in football and been able to stay away from trouble.

At the same time, we all know you can't fix dumb.

Monomach 06-15-2013 01:36 PM

Not necessarily directed at anyone in this thread, but I've noticed that a lot of people on this forum have already started the "Oh, I knew Charles Rogers was going to bust" crap like he wouldn't have stuck in the NFL. Watching him for those five starts in his rookie season, you could tell he was going to be good....well, as good as one can be with Joey Harrington doing the passing.

It's a shame that so few people are honest about who they liked and didn't like coming out.

7DnBrnc53 07-09-2013 09:18 PM

Walter Football
 
Here is Walter Football's 2003 Mock:

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2003.php

Right below it, it has links to the second and third round, plus links to other years.

prock 07-09-2013 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7DnBrnc53 (Post 3400400)
Here is Walter Football's 2003 Mock:

http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2003.php

Right below it, it has links to the second and third round, plus links to other years.

Holy **** am I glad that we didn't get that draft. Kevin Williams and EJ Henderson were absolutely best case scenario.


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