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RCAChainGang 12-20-2013 06:56 PM

2014 Colts FA/Draft/Offseason
 
I thought it might be a good idea to go ahead and get this ball rolling.

RB
Ahmad Bradshaw
Donald Brown
Tashard Choice

WR
Darrius Heyward-Bey

OT
Jeff Linkenbach

OG
Mike McGlynn

DL
Aubrayo Franklin
Ricardo Mathews
Fili Moala
Lawrence Sidbury

LB
Pat Angerer
Kavell Conner (RFA)
Darin Drakeford
Justin Hickman (ERFA)
Cam Johnson (ERFA)
Scott Lutrus (RFA)

CB
Vontae Davis
Josh Gordy (RFA)
Cassius Vaughn

FS
Antoine Bethea
Sergio Brown

K
Vinitieri

P
Pat McAfee

Discuss Who to resign and potential free agents from other teams.

MaxV 12-23-2013 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by RCAChainGang (Post 3524438)
RB
Ahmad Bradshaw
Donald Brown
Tashard Choice

Donald Brown is making a good impression. I still think he is more of a platoon guy and would pay him as such. If someone gives him starter's contract, we can't match. Bradshaw was running well before the injury, but I'm afraid he is just too old.

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Originally Posted by RCAChainGang (Post 3524438)
WR
Darrius Heyward-Bey

Buh-bye.

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Originally Posted by RCAChainGang (Post 3524438)
OT
Jeff Linkenbach

I wouldn't mind bring him back, he is versatile, but for the right deal.

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Originally Posted by RCAChainGang (Post 3524438)
OG
Mike McGlynn

Buh-bye

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Originally Posted by RCAChainGang (Post 3524438)
DL
Aubrayo Franklin
Ricardo Mathews
Fili Moala
Lawrence Sidbury

Franklin has played ok for the most part, the rest are inconsistent.

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Originally Posted by RCAChainGang (Post 3524438)
LB
Pat Angerer
Kavell Conner (RFA)
Darin Drakeford
Justin Hickman (ERFA)
Cam Johnson (ERFA)
Scott Lutrus (RFA)

Angerer might get overpaid by someone, it shouldn't be by us. I'd bring back Conner and Johnson for cap-friendly deals.

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Originally Posted by RCAChainGang (Post 3524438)
CB
Vontae Davis
Josh Gordy (RFA)
Cassius Vaughn

At the beginning of the season, I was ready to give Vontae the max deal. He looked like one of the best in the league. I still want us to re-sign him, but over-spending might be a mistake.

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Originally Posted by RCAChainGang (Post 3524438)
FS
Antoine Bethea
Sergio Brown

Believe it or not, I'd rather they re-sign Brown then Bethea. Sergio is our best special-teamer, while Bethea is past his prime.

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Originally Posted by RCAChainGang (Post 3524438)
K
Vinitieri

He isn't past his prime, I'd bring him back.

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Originally Posted by RCAChainGang (Post 3524438)
P
Pat McAfee

Top paid punter in NFL? That might happen.

fishspinners 12-29-2013 05:01 PM

Good luck Grigson
 
We have a boatload of potential free agents leaving the team in the offseason. With the lack of draft picks we have this year, it's going to be very interesting to see how GM Ryan Grigson handles this. I hope the scouting department is working overtime because we are going to need some undrafted free agents to field a team next year.

MaxV 12-29-2013 05:50 PM

Unless I'm mistaken, we will have some Cap room to play with.

I think the top priority will be to re-sign Davis and McAfee.

Seamus2602 12-29-2013 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by MaxV (Post 3529585)
Unless I'm mistaken, we will have some Cap room to play with.

I think the top priority will be to re-sign Davis and McAfee.

If the current team contracts stay as they are, and the team don't sign anyone else etc before the end of the season I have (with the cap staying the same) the Colts cap room at $37.6M. That will obviously go up if the cap goes up.

falloutboy14 12-29-2013 09:49 PM

I found this site, says we have ~$39m in cap room this off-season (other websites have that number as well): http://overthecap.com/calculator/?Team=Colts

If we cut Satele, that adds another $4m to $42m. Some rough estimate for salaries needed:
Davis: $7m
Bethea: $5m
Vinatieri:$3m
Painter: $3m
Donald Brown: $2m
Linkenback: $1.5m

Beyond that, there's a handful of players who will probably get under $1m (the Sergio Browns & Kavell Conners of the world). In the end that will be ~$25m, leaving us $14 or $18m depending on whether Satele is released.


With that, & the draft imo we need to get an interior OL to compete/backup a@ G/C, a WR, & some sort of pass-rush.

fishspinners 12-30-2013 11:49 AM

Ok, what I was looking at looked like we were pretty strapped for cash next year (apparently bad intell). Unless Bethea takes a pay cut, I think he is on the way out. With the amount of cap space we should have next season, I think we are going to be aggressive again.

The DHB signing was boom/bust and I think there is no way he comes back. Hakeem Nicks and Eric Decker are FAs I'd like to see the Colts target.

With the emergence of Donald Brown as a solid RB option, I think he resigns if the price is right. Bradshaw is probably gone. The backfield is gonna be a little crowded next year with Ballard, Brown, and Richardson all vying for carries.

MaxV 01-11-2014 11:30 PM

Time to look at the off-season to improve.

Front 7 played terrible in the game vs Pats. We need help there.

RCAChainGang 01-12-2014 01:01 PM

It is going to be interesting to see who comes back. I think Delano Howell could potentially start if he recovers from injury. It is reasonable to let Bethea walk.

I think the most important people to sign are Vontae, Pat, and Vinny.

jared3 01-12-2014 02:30 PM

Got to resign:

1) Vontae Davis- Our top CB
2) Adam Vinatieri- One of the best kickers in the NFL
3) Pat Mcafee- Great punter. Hope he is not wanting to the be the highest pain punter though. If so, then see ya..
4) Aubrayo Franklin- Solid player and provides a lot of girth.
5) Sergio Brown- Special teams ace.
6) Jeff Likenbach- Versatile who can play both guard and tackle.
7) Donald Brown- Our best rb on the team.
8) Antoine Bethea- Our best safety.

In free agency, hopefully Indy will look at DE Arthur Jones (Baltimore).

MaxV 01-12-2014 02:41 PM

Bethea is past his prime. I think we need new starters at both safety spots.

Landry was AWFUL vs Pats.

jared3 01-12-2014 03:02 PM

Landry is the one who tackled air on that 73 yard Blount run. I agree with you that Bethea is past his prime, but he is our best safety.

I believe S Jarius Byrd (Buffalo) is a free agent.

MaxV 01-13-2014 10:45 AM

Judging by what I saw from these 2 games, front 7 and both safety spots are big needs.

We only have one starting caliber ILB and our D-Line is below average.

Before the playoffs I would have placed OG and WR high on the needs list, but now I think that improving the defense should be a higher priority.

Imo Brazill, Rogers and Whalen have shown flashes and I would be fine with them competing for the #3 spot next year.

Also Thornton has shown ability and I think we can go with him and Thomas as starters next year.

I'm not against getting players at those spots, but if given the choice I would rather spend on Defense.

My list of needs:

1. FS ... need someone to cover the deep routes
2. OC ... no starter on the roster
3. ILB ... need starter alongside Freeman
4. DE ... nothing but has-beens and never-was
5. SS ... both safeties are past their prime

RCAChainGang 01-13-2014 11:05 AM

That is an interesting perspective Max. I agree with you. I think if we could somehow sign Mack our OL would be ready for action next year.

I agree with the priority as well. Nice list. Would you rather see Bethea walk in FA?

MaxV 01-13-2014 11:17 AM

If we can't find someone else, I guess we'll have to go with Bethea for one more year.

But like you said, Howell can start.

falloutboy14 01-13-2014 11:36 AM

Agree with that, but I think OC needs to be lower on the list. I want to see more on Holmes before we invest anything major. Happy to bring a guy in on the cheap or spend a late draft pick, but lets not spend major money unless its an all-star. Releasing Satele would net $4m in cap space and I expect this to happen. Really I think getting Satele & McGlynn out, getting Holmes in and Donald Thomas back on the field will be enough of a fix.

I also think Landry is our SS for the next season or two. His contract isn't an easy-out like some of the other contracts from last year.

FYI, releasing Redding & RJF would net near $7m in cap space. We could afford 2 premium DEs, if they are out there, and we can get them. BJ Raji, Arthur Jones, & Randy Starks would be high on my list.

MaxV 01-13-2014 11:46 AM

Honestly, at this point I would release Landry regardless of Cap hit.

He is useless in coverage and constantly takes bad angles on ball-carriers.

RCAChainGang 01-13-2014 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MaxV (Post 3545505)
Honestly, at this point I would release Landry regardless of Cap hit.

He is useless in coverage and constantly takes bad angles on ball-carriers.

This drove me insane this season. He doesn't make up for anything in run support. His angles are the worst on the team.

On a suprising note, I was actually pleased with Walden's play, although I think his contract is too big.

I have heard from Colts fans that Landry has played out of position. Apparently we need someone faster in coverage so Landry can be released to play the underneath stuff. But regardless, I think his play has been below average.

I wish I knew more about Holmes but the reality of the situation is that he didn't get hardly any snaps this season with an injury riddled line. I am not counting on his abilities to be a starter. I would love to get a superior veteran at C.

MaxV 01-13-2014 01:02 PM

I agree about Walden. He and Cherilus have been the only good additions from last off-season. We overpaid for both, but at least they've earned their spots.

Toler has been mediocre and injured.
Landry has sucked.
Donald Thomas didn't last long.
Bradshaw didn't last long either.
Franklin has been outplayed by Chapman imo.
Francois is very inconsistent.
DHB ... I have no words.


We'll need a better off-season then that to take another step forward.

killxswitch 01-13-2014 03:24 PM

If we cut Satele, RJF, and Toler we save a net of about $8 mil in cap space and lose very little production, if any. But will Grigson/Pagano even think any of them warrant it? Look at how many times they went back to Satele after seeing proof that other players were better.

RCAChainGang 01-13-2014 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by killxswitch (Post 3545712)
If we cut Satele, RJF, and Toler we save a net of about $8 mil in cap space and lose very little production, if any. But will Grigson/Pagano even think any of them warrant it? Look at how many times they went back to Satele after seeing proof that other players were better.

This is what scares me. I just want Satele off the roster.

Toler was a frustration of mine. Especially because I had such a prospect crush on Xavier Rhodes. And we had a chance to draft him. How did he pan out in Minnesota? Hindsight is 20/20 though.

I think Butler is a fine nickel back and I don't want Toler playng CB2 so I would be fine to cut him, but I doubt the team does it. We just don't need to shell out a roster spot to someone who is going to be injured and sit on the bench the whole year just to get burned in the playoffs whether he had help over the top or not.

If we could find another CB with the caliber of Vontae and have some fresh legs at Safety then we would be vastly improved. However, the front 7 needs a lot of attention.

RCAChainGang 01-14-2014 07:24 AM

http://www.colts.com/videos/videos/V...f-cb2e1623471b

Sounds like Davis wants to be a Colt.

AntoinCD 01-14-2014 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaxV (Post 3545563)
I agree about Walden. He and Cherilus have been the only good additions from last off-season. We overpaid for both, but at least they've earned their spots.

Toler has been mediocre and injured.
Landry has sucked.
Donald Thomas didn't last long.
Bradshaw didn't last long either.
Franklin has been outplayed by Chapman imo.
Francois is very inconsistent.
DHB ... I have no words.


We'll need a better off-season then that to take another step forward.

What's the story with Thomas is he under contract next year as well? I would love him back on the Pats but if you guys have him under contract he will be a starter. I would take him 10 times out of 10 over Dan Connolly

RCAChainGang 01-14-2014 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by AntoinCD (Post 3546141)
What's the story with Thomas is he under contract next year as well? I would love him back on the Pats but if you guys have him under contract he will be a starter. I would take him 10 times out of 10 over Dan Connolly

He is under contract and will be our starter at an OG position. I think LG? But yeah he just got injured and was put on IR. Hoping he will bring some presence to our OL.

MaxV 01-14-2014 10:26 AM

This is an interesting read on Colts' situation.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-the-offseason


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