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D-Unit 04-28-2014 01:28 PM

DC Community Mock Draft: Pick 14 - CHI OTC
 
Results:
1. Houston Texans - DE Jadeveon Clowney
2. St. Louis Rams - OT Greg Robinson
3. Jacksonville Jaguars - QB Teddy Bridgewater
4. Cleveland Browns - WR Sammy Watkins
5. Oakland Raiders - QB Blake Bortles
6. Atlanta Falcons - LB Kahlil Mack
7. Tampa Bay Bucanneers - WR Mike Evans
8. Minnesota Vikings - QB Johnny Manziel
9. Buffalo Bills - OT Jake Mattews
10. Detroit Lions - CB Justin Gilbert
11. Tennessee Titans - DE/OLB Anthony Barr
12. New York Giants - OT Taylor Lewan
13. St. Louis Rams - S Hasean Clinton-Dix

Vote for the player that you think the Chicago Bears will draft #14 overall.

regoob2 04-28-2014 01:44 PM

If Donald is there I can't see how he's not the pick unless we get a good trade down offer.

Monomach 04-28-2014 02:28 PM

Something that everyone ignores is that the Bears are kind of deep at 3 technique right now. Houston, Ratliff, Collins...even paea is probably better off there than at the nose where they've been playing him. Meanwhile, safety and corner are scary thin/bad. Nose tackle is also thin. It's just Paea, and at his very tip-top best, he's been average...but often worse.

-There's only one NFL safety on the roster and that's the more-or-less league average Mundy, who they've already said will be probably end up at SS.

-Only two corners with any level of talent on the roster. One is very old, coming off of an injury, and looked terrible before the injury. In this division, that's a death sentence. If Charles Tillman 2014 isn't Charles Tillman 2012, then Kelvin Hayden is going to be covering some of the NFL's top receivers. Scary stuff.

I think the Bears have a big board that looks like this going into the first round:
1. Clowney
2. Clinton-Dix
3. Dennard
4. Fuller
5. Nix

Top two are gone...Dennard it is. Of course, Donald will win this poll in a landslide. Draftnik groupthink decided he was the pick before free agency even started. I love the kid, but there are enormous holes to fill and he doesn't help with that. :njx:

regoob2 04-28-2014 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Monomach (Post 3635809)
Something that everyone ignores is that the Bears are kind of deep at 3 technique right now. Houston, Ratliff, Collins...even paea is probably better off there than at the nose where they've been playing him. Meanwhile, safety and corner are scary thin/bad. Nose tackle is also thin. It's just Paea, and at his very tip-top best, he's been average...but often worse.

-There's only one NFL safety on the roster and that's the more-or-less league average Mundy, who they've already said will be probably end up at SS.

-Only two corners with any level of talent on the roster. One is very old, coming off of an injury, and looked terrible before the injury. In this division, that's a death sentence. If Charles Tillman 2014 isn't Charles Tillman 2012, then Kelvin Hayden is going to be covering some of the NFL's top receivers. Scary stuff.

I think the Bears have a big board that looks like this going into the first round:
1. Clowney
2. Clinton-Dix
3. Dennard
4. Fuller
5. Nix

Top two are gone...Dennard it is. Of course, Donald will win this poll in a landslide. Draftnik groupthink decided he was the pick before free agency even started. I love the kid, but there are enormous holes to fill and he doesn't help with that. :njx:

Houston is our LE. Ratliff is a NT and should be that. Even if he plays DT he's older and an injury risk. Paea injury risk and inconsistent. Collins is the worst player in the NFL. Donald is WAY to talented to pass up. If Donald is there we shouldnt even consider another player.

Monomach 04-28-2014 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by regoob2 (Post 3635822)
Houston is our LE. Ratliff is a NT and should be that. Even if he plays DT he's older and an injury risk. Paea injury risk and inconsistent. Collins is the worst player in the NFL. Donald is WAY to talented to pass up. If Donald is there we shouldnt even consider another player.

Houston has been a better 3 tech than end both in college and the NFL. Right now we've got two ends besides him who deserve serious snaps. You'll be seeing the man get a lot of reps inside.

Ratliff played the nose in Dallas, but it was a one gap. For his entire career, he's been more of an attacker than a space eater. This offseason, quotes from the Bears have him at the 3 tech spot, not the nose.

Collins has been above average for his entire time with the Bears. In the short time before he got hurt last season, he was our best D lineman and the second-best player on the entire defense. He was better than last season's pre-injury Melton. Calling him the worst player in the NFL seems rather mean and completely unfounded.

It looks like there's a very good chance that the team has no defensive backfield, man. It could very well be basically just Tiny Tim Jennings running around back there alone with guys who are fringe backups or 3rd stringers on most teams. Megatron, Jordyzzz, Tate, Bush, Cobb, Stafford, and Rodgers are in this division.

Byrd430 04-28-2014 05:48 PM

100% agree with monomach here. Corner is the bigger need and I personally have Dennard rated #1 ahead of Gilbert.

ChiFan24 04-28-2014 08:28 PM

I'm with Mono on this train of thought. I'm not quite as familiar with who the Bears have been focusing on, but I don't think the Donald pick is the slam dunk everyone thinks he is. Houston will kick to 3 tech on third downs and the ends will be some combination of Willie Young/Jared Allen/ideally Shea McClellin putting his hand in the dirt LEO style. Ratliff will also be on the field in a gap penetrating capacity more often than not. I won't complain if we add Donald, but the tea leaves have been taking me towards Fuller. That's my vote, with Dennard and Pryor also making plenty of sense.

Caulibflower 04-28-2014 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monomach (Post 3635809)
Something that everyone ignores is that the Bears are kind of deep at 3 technique right now. Houston, Ratliff, Collins...even paea is probably better off there than at the nose where they've been playing him. Meanwhile, safety and corner are scary thin/bad. Nose tackle is also thin. It's just Paea, and at his very tip-top best, he's been average...but often worse.

-There's only one NFL safety on the roster and that's the more-or-less league average Mundy, who they've already said will be probably end up at SS.

-Only two corners with any level of talent on the roster. One is very old, coming off of an injury, and looked terrible before the injury. In this division, that's a death sentence. If Charles Tillman 2014 isn't Charles Tillman 2012, then Kelvin Hayden is going to be covering some of the NFL's top receivers. Scary stuff.

I think the Bears have a big board that looks like this going into the first round:
1. Clowney
2. Clinton-Dix
3. Dennard
4. Fuller
5. Nix

Top two are gone...Dennard it is. Of course, Donald will win this poll in a landslide. Draftnik groupthink decided he was the pick before free agency even started. I love the kid, but there are enormous holes to fill and he doesn't help with that. :njx:

Aaron Donald to the Bears is by far the most mysterious pick-that-I-see-everywhere (couldn't think of a better word) this year.

Edit: I see ChiFan agrees. Aaron Donald to the Bears is not happening, people.

Monomach 04-29-2014 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Caulibflower (Post 3636245)
Aaron Donald to the Bears is by far the most mysterious pick-that-I-see-everywhere (couldn't think of a better word) this year.

Edit: I see ChiFan agrees. Aaron Donald to the Bears is not happening, people.

It made a lot of sense before free agency. Then the Bears signed 5 linemen and got two back from injury....but no one bothered to change the pick.

But yeah, DT's probably a third round need right now. A rotation guy would be ideal.

Caulibflower 04-29-2014 11:02 AM

Think they'd go O-line?

ChiFan24 04-29-2014 12:03 PM

Not in the first. They only problem area is right tackle, and nobody ever seems to acknowledge the possibility that Jordan Mills isn't a future starter. I can't envision any scenario where the pick isn't defense.

JohnCandy 04-29-2014 12:52 PM



Agree that safety is the biggest need.

Outside of Clowney he has the most potential to be a dominant player and Phil Emery values physical upside. Emery has shown that he will trust his coaches to take a freak [Long] and make a football player.

I would not be shocked if Donald and Clinton-Dix were available if Hageman was the pick.

regoob2 04-29-2014 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monomach (Post 3635834)
Houston has been a better 3 tech than end both in college and the NFL. Right now we've got two ends besides him who deserve serious snaps. You'll be seeing the man get a lot of reps inside.

Ratliff played the nose in Dallas, but it was a one gap. For his entire career, he's been more of an attacker than a space eater. This offseason, quotes from the Bears have him at the 3 tech spot, not the nose.

Collins has been above average for his entire time with the Bears. In the short time before he got hurt last season, he was our best D lineman and the second-best player on the entire defense. He was better than last season's pre-injury Melton. Calling him the worst player in the NFL seems rather mean and completely unfounded.

It looks like there's a very good chance that the team has no defensive backfield, man. It could very well be basically just Tiny Tim Jennings running around back there alone with guys who are fringe backups or 3rd stringers on most teams. Megatron, Jordyzzz, Tate, Bush, Cobb, Stafford, and Rodgers are in this division.

Nate Collins is horrible. He was sitting in FA for how long without a single offer. No one wants him. We signed him for a dollar over the min with no guarantee. He's not even going to make our roster, he's a camp body. That leaves Ratliff and Paea as the only DTs we have on our roster. There's no quotes from the Bears that say Ratliff is playing DT or at least there's no quotes that you should believe before the draft. Houston is playing LE and will move inside only as a pass rusher. We have Tillman and Jennings who are both great CBs and Frey who played well at nickel. We need a potential starter at CB. We need a day one starter at DT. Donald is also a top tier talent. You cant pass on the best player available at your biggest position of need to bring in a year one backup who hopefully won't see the field.

D-Unit 04-29-2014 01:51 PM

Keep talking as you wish, but this vote is closed. Donald in a landslide victory.

regoob2 04-29-2014 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Unit (Post 3636677)
Keep talking as you wish, but this vote is closed. Donald in a landslide victory.

As it should be.

Monomach 04-29-2014 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiFan24 (Post 3636542)
Not in the first. They only problem area is right tackle, and nobody ever seems to acknowledge the possibility that Jordan Mills isn't a future starter. I can't envision any scenario where the pick isn't defense.

Yeah, this is a weird one. Jordan Mills was terrible, but hes getting that same pass that Bears fans gave Lance Louis. Everyone I know tells me that Lance Louis was great and that the RT spot is locked down for a decade. The same people claim that Kyle Long deserved that pro bowl spot. It's possible that Mills could eventually be good, but his actual performance was exactly as bad as you'd expect from a rookie fifth rounder. I suppose Phil Emery could go first round tackle, but only because Phil Emery has already proven to be a meathead with the first round. I do agree that he's gong defense, though. The D is atrocious and paper-thin.

Quote:

Originally Posted by regoob2 (Post 3636626)
Nate Collins is horrible. He was sitting in FA for how long without a single offer. No one wants him. We signed him for a dollar over the min with no guarantee. He's not even going to make our roster, he's a camp body.

I tried to be nice, you you have no idea what you're talking about. We got him on the cheap because he's coming back from the injury and he has been in a rotation the whole time we've had him. He had the highest pressure rate of any Bears last season and was pretty high on the list in 2012. It's just stupid to say that he's a camp body. Utterly ridiculous.

Quote:

That leaves Ratliff and Paea as the only DTs we have on our roster. There's no quotes from the Bears that say Ratliff is playing DT or at least there's no quotes that you should believe before the draft. Houston is playing LE and will move inside only as a pass rusher.
Ok, fine. Believing that they lied about Ratliff playing undertackle is a view I can see someone taking. Teams lie. But now you just said that we'll be moving Houston inside on pass rushing downs...so you think a pass-rushing DT is a slam-dunk in the first. Think about that one for a second.

Quote:

We have Tillman and Jennings who are both great CBs
How do you know Tillman is still a great CB? Tillman was garbage last season before getting hurt. He was outperformed by his backup, who we let walk. He's a million years old, so it's quite possible that he finally fell off the ledge and is done.

Quote:

and Frey who played well at nickel.
He certainly did not. His best games were average and his worst were him getting abused. :facepalm:

Quote:

We need a potential starter at CB. We need a day one starter at DT. Donald is also a top tier talent. You cant pass on the best player available at your biggest position of need to bring in a year one backup who hopefully won't see the field.
UT is only our biggest need if you call a good player a camp body, assume that a penetrator is going to be plugging gaps at the nose, and ignore that Houston is going to be playing half of the time in that spot.

regoob2 04-29-2014 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Monomach (Post 3636813)
Yeah, this is a weird one. Jordan Mills was terrible, but hes getting that same pass that Bears fans gave Lance Louis. Everyone I know tells me that Lance Louis was great and that the RT spot is locked down for a decade. The same people claim that Kyle Long deserved that pro bowl spot. It's possible that Mills could eventually be good, but his actual performance was exactly as bad as you'd expect from a rookie fifth rounder. I suppose Phil Emery could go first round tackle, but only because Phil Emery has already proven to be a meathead with the first round. I do agree that he's gong defense, though. The D is atrocious and paper-thin.

I tried to be nice, you you have no idea what you're talking about. We got him on the cheap because he's coming back from the injury and he has been in a rotation the whole time we've had him. He had the highest pressure rate of any Bears last season and was pretty high on the list in 2012. It's just stupid to say that he's a camp body. Utterly ridiculous.

Ok, fine. Believing that they lied about Ratliff playing undertackle is a view I can see someone taking. Teams lie. But now you just said that we'll be moving Houston inside on pass rushing downs...so you think a pass-rushing DT is a slam-dunk in the first. Think about that one for a second.

How do you know Tillman is still a great CB? Tillman was garbage last season before getting hurt. He was outperformed by his backup, who we let walk. He's a million years old, so it's quite possible that he finally fell off the ledge and is done.

He certainly did not. His best games were average and his worst were him getting abused. :facepalm:

UT is only our biggest need if you call a good player a camp body, assume that a penetrator is going to be plugging gaps at the nose, and ignore that Houston is going to be playing half of the time in that spot.

Wow. Not even gonna bother talking to you about football. You're just.... wow...

ChiFan24 04-30-2014 07:47 PM

....

I don't always agree with Mono, but he's not saying anything objectionable. What's the issue here?

cmarq83 04-30-2014 08:04 PM

I don't know why anyone would use Nate Collins, Jay Ratliff, and Stephen Paea as a rationale for not selecting Aaron Donald.

It may not be a need, but it appears to be about as close to one as can be, and Aaron Donald could very well be the best defender on the board. For a franchise that doesn't have a lot of high end young talent on defense, the best defensive player pretty much anywhere would represent an upgrade.

ChiFan24 04-30-2014 08:13 PM

It's absolutely a need. Donald would probably help the defense. I just don't understand spending a first round pick on him when the secondary is equally ******, and we just paid a guy 35 mill or whatever it was to rush the passer from that spot half the time. I don't see it as a good use of resources. And judging by the players the Bears have brought in, they seem to agree.

Also, regoob literally called Nate Collins the worst player in the NFL. You don't need PFF to know that's an idiotic statement. Collins was pretty solid before he got hurt.

ChiFan24 05-08-2014 11:29 PM

It's really annoying when people bump old threads just because they lucked into a good prediction.

Monomach 05-08-2014 11:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiFan24 (Post 3646916)
It's really annoying when people bump old threads just because they lucked into a good prediction.

Normally, yes. But your bump makes me look smart, too...so it's not too annoying. :banana:


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