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Jagonsucker 04-13-2007 10:02 PM

What kind of defense do you like better?
 
4-3 or 3-4...I prefer the 4-3 Just because its easier to stop the run

Ewing 04-13-2007 10:09 PM

The hybrid of flipping back and fourth that the Ravens run.

Bigburt63 04-13-2007 10:10 PM

I prefer the 3-4 because there are so many variations that can be played out of it. you can jump anywhere from a base 3-4 to a 5-2 and anything in between

mfkrush 04-13-2007 10:12 PM

I prefer the 3-4 because the Bears can still get pressure with 3 down linemen. With that added linebacker, it can help against the pass, which we lack compared to the run defense.

GB12 04-13-2007 10:13 PM

I'va always been a 4-3 guy.

Moses 04-13-2007 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfkrush (Post 302891)
I prefer the 3-4 because the Bears can still get pressure with 3 down linemen. With that added linebacker, it can help against the pass, which we lack compared to the run defense.

I'm confused. The Bears run a 4-3.

remix 6 04-13-2007 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfkrush (Post 302891)
I prefer the 3-4 because the Bears can still get pressure with 3 down linemen. With that added linebacker, it can help against the pass, which we lack compared to the run defense.

Brown, Ogunleye, Harris would never last as starters in a 3-4

Harris would be a DE probably ..could be pretty good cuz hes fast/quick for a 300 pounder

Brown and Ogunleye are better fit for OLB in 3-4s.

VikesRule 04-13-2007 10:24 PM

I like watching the 3-4 but the 4-3 is usuallly more effective. I guess its harder to find 4 good linebackers and 3 good defensive lineman then vice versa.

Yung Flippa 04-13-2007 10:24 PM

they type of defense that is the best is

The Ravens Defense (should be in it's own category)

bigbluedefense 04-13-2007 10:34 PM

3-4 all the way.

4 of the last 5 SBs were won with 3-4 defenses.

Its has no inherit flaws in its structure. It can take on Air Coryell, WCO, run heavy teams, etc. It has high success with every type of offense.

Its the most adjustable defense. And especially in today's league, adjustability and the ability to play anyone at a high level is critical to success.

My personal favorite scheme is the BP 2 gap 3-4. I won't go into detail, Ive done it plenty of times before.

Theres very few 4-3 schemes that I like. John Fox's 4-3 is good. I like Jacksonville's 4-3, but its not necessarily the scheme I like, moreso the player makeup.

To me, a great defensive scheme can't live and die on one thing. It has the ability to everything, everything at a high level. Fox's 4-3, BP's 3-4....those schemes possess that ability.

Blitz heavy teams live and die with it, Tampa 2 teams suffer against the power run game. 46 is vulnerable to WCO. Every scheme has some sort of weakness outside of the 2 gap 3-4.

The only set that can take it on is the 2 TE run heavy offense, but even that set is generally shut down by the 3-4. If you have a big hulking oline, your run game will suffer because they won't be fast enough to stop the edge rush of the OLBs, and the Guards won't be quick enough to pull on the ILBs.

If your oline is small (ZBS), you'll get pushed around by the front 3.

If you have something in the middle, ILB blitzes can disrupt your pass protection (attack the smaller OGs needed to thrive against the 3-4).


At its peak, no scheme is better.

Of course, theres 4-3 teams that play like 3-4 teams, and vice versa. So at the end of the day, its just a formation. But you get what Im saying. This is a gross simplification. We can talk forever on this subject if we wanted to.

portermvp84 04-13-2007 10:45 PM

I like the 4-3.

DraftMasterG 04-13-2007 10:47 PM

I prefer the 4-3 because that means you have 4 more people that are fat and can push the line back.

GiantRutgersFan 04-13-2007 10:52 PM

I am a 4-3 guy myself. Its what I know best and played in my whole life.

4-3 has more potential at dominance imo.

Komp 04-13-2007 10:52 PM

hmm
 
Wow if you miss a chance to post in a thread here, wait two weeks and one that is exactly the same will be posted.

For real tho, I like seeing the big DT's stuff the run, so it's the 4-3 for me!

bigbluedefense 04-13-2007 11:00 PM

A big misconception is that the 4-3 is better against the run.

Ive posted before, if you compare body mass of the front 7, the 3-4 is actually thicker and more stoute against the run.

Statistics back this up as well.

Moses 04-13-2007 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 303114)
A big misconception is that the 4-3 is better against the run.

Ive posted before, if you compare body mass of the front 7, the 3-4 is actually thicker and more stoute against the run.

Statistics back this up as well.

I think it's near impossible to say the 4-3 or 3-4 is better against the run. There is such a huge amount of factors that effect this that comparing the two is pointless.

bigbluedefense 04-13-2007 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moses (Post 303147)
I think it's near impossible to say the 4-3 or 3-4 is better against the run. There is such a huge amount of factors that effect this that comparing the two is pointless.

Not really. Look at the prototypical body masses of each position on each scheme, and add em up.

Also, look at the top rushing defenses of the past 4 years. Mostly dominated by 3-4 teams, even though the 4-3 front dominates the league.

If you look up on google the weaknesses/benefits of the 3-4, most sites will also tell you its better against the run.

Again, this is a gross simplification, and of course player personnell dictates whats what, but as long as we're generalizing with a thread like this, its fair to make general statements.

GiantRutgersFan 04-13-2007 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigbluedefense (Post 303114)
A big misconception is that the 4-3 is better against the run.

Ive posted before, if you compare body mass of the front 7, the 3-4 is actually thicker and more stoute against the run.

Statistics back this up as well.


Look at the Jags though. they got 2 great DT's and they stuff the run like nobodys business.

4-3 is better against the run. stats might not indicate that though, because there is more big running plays against the 4-3 then the 3-4. But overall the 4-3 is definitly better then the run (but obviously the players involve matter as well)

bigbluedefense 04-13-2007 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GiantRutgersFan (Post 303163)
Look at the Jags though. they got 2 great DT's and they stuff the run like nobodys business.

4-3 is better against the run. stats might not indicate that though, because there is more big running plays against the 4-3 then the 3-4. But overall the 4-3 is definitly better then the run (but obviously the players involve matter as well)

The Jags are the exception to the rule. And even then, they weren't better than SD or Pitt over the past 3 years in stopping the run.

Its tough enough finding one mammoth DT who can man the NT in the 3-4.

Finding 2 of em in the 4-3 is damn near impossible.

I don't see how we can say the 4-3 is definately better against the run when top run defense stats have been dominated by 3-4 fronts for the past 4 to 5 years.

neko4 04-13-2007 11:14 PM

I like the one that helps green bay win...so 4-3
even though the 3-4 sounds so sexy!

EdReedUnstoppable 04-13-2007 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yung Flippa (Post 302945)
they type of defense that is the best is

The Ravens Defense (should be in it's own category)

"Organized Chaos" is the best defense there is!!!

Denver Bronco99 04-13-2007 11:21 PM

4-3 with 2 big DTs to keep blockers off the MLB...and then 2 play making DEs

Vikes99ej 04-13-2007 11:38 PM

I like a 3-4 better. Get some quick OLBs, some stout ILBs, and a mammoth NT and you're set (Don't forget about the talent part, of course).

RaiderNation 04-13-2007 11:42 PM

3-4. i like how u have big fast OLB's and huge dlinemen.

Caddy 04-13-2007 11:46 PM

4-3 zone defense


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