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pav 08-15-2006 01:18 PM

best defensive line in the nfl
 
Panthers - Julius Peppers, Kris Jenkins, Kemoeatu, Rucker

or

Vikings - Erasmus James, Pat williams, kevin williams, Udeze

i'd personally have to take the vikings. what do you think?

bearsfan_51 08-15-2006 01:20 PM

What the hell? Only two options and one of them is the Vikings?

08-15-2006 01:21 PM

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What the hell? Only two options and one of them is the Vikings?

LOL

Jughead10 08-15-2006 01:22 PM

Udeze and James are still relatively unproven. And Pat Williams is about over the hill. I'll take the Panthers.

Raiderz4Life 08-15-2006 01:23 PM

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What the hell? Only two options and one of them is the Vikings?

lol :lol: :lol: :lol:

slightlyaraiderfan 08-15-2006 01:26 PM

Only 2 options and you choose the Vikings over the Panthers, hmm.

bigbluedefense 08-15-2006 01:29 PM

How about the Baltimore Ravens? I think they have the best dline in the NFL. They have a poor man's Stroud/Henderson in Gregg/Ngata, they have Suggs who can play both DE and OLB, they have Adalius Thomas who can also do both, and they have Trevor Pryce who can play DE in the 4-3 and 3-4, and has the ability to drop into coverage. Their versatility is sick. They can literally throw any type of front 7/8 front at you and execute it with great results.

2nd place is Carolina IF Jenkins can stay healthy...they probably would be 1 on the list if Jenkins stays healthy...and theyre the more talented line overall...but I'm an Xs and Os guy, and the versatility of the Ravens line is where its at. They are near the level of Carolina's line, but also much more versatile.

pav 08-15-2006 01:31 PM

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What the hell? Only two options and one of them is the Vikings?

If you have some other team in mind, please feel free to put it up for discussion.

Also, was Kemoeatu a Raven last year??

Shiver 08-15-2006 01:31 PM

The Chicago Bears, hands down.

Jughead10 08-15-2006 01:33 PM

Well with the Ravens you are counting on Ngata to be successful which some people may or may not agree with. The Panthers also have a very good Damoine Lewis who can come in a spell one of the two pick guys every once in a while. As a threesome they are very very good.

pav 08-15-2006 01:34 PM

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The Chicago Bears, hands down.

ogunyele, brown, harris, tank williams (is he the other dt?)

i don't know about that, i'd take vikings and panthers over the bears d-line. The linebackers are probably the best, but not the d-line.

danman253 08-15-2006 01:36 PM

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The Chicago Bears, hands down.

ogunyele, brown, harris, tank williams (is he the other dt?)

i don't know about that, i'd take vikings and panthers over the bears d-line. The linebackers are probably the best, but not the d-line.

I wouldn't take the Panthers or the vikes over them. The Bears or Jaguars have the best DL in the NFL. I'd take the bears in a second

pav 08-15-2006 01:38 PM

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The Chicago Bears, hands down.

ogunyele, brown, harris, tank williams (is he the other dt?)

i don't know about that, i'd take vikings and panthers over the bears d-line. The linebackers are probably the best, but not the d-line.

I wouldn't take the Panthers or the vikes over them. The Bears or Jaguars have the best DL in the NFL. I'd take the bears in a second

Who are the jaguar defense ends?

bearsfan_51 08-15-2006 01:38 PM

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The Chicago Bears, hands down.

ogunyele, brown, harris, tank williams (is he the other dt?)

i don't know about that, i'd take vikings and panthers over the bears d-line. The linebackers are probably the best, but not the d-line.

How old are you?

I like the Vikings D-line a lot but at this point you can't say they are better than the Bears. If James and Udeze have seasons comparable to the ones O-Gun and Alex Brown had last year then you could make that argument, but they haven't yet.

And Ian Scott is the other starter. If you want to make a list like this you should at least inform yourself on the other teams. Not to mention that depth is a HUGE component in terms of ranking defensive lines.

Here are some other options for consideration besides the Bears:
Jaguars
Chargers
Ravens
Steelers
Seahawks
Bucs (not really but I'll throw them out there anyway)

bearsfan_51 08-15-2006 01:39 PM

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The Chicago Bears, hands down.

ogunyele, brown, harris, tank williams (is he the other dt?)

i don't know about that, i'd take vikings and panthers over the bears d-line. The linebackers are probably the best, but not the d-line.

I wouldn't take the Panthers or the vikes over them. The Bears or Jaguars have the best DL in the NFL. I'd take the bears in a second

Who are the jaguar defense ends?

Seriously kid, if you don't know anything about football, don't waste the space on the board to start a thread like this. No offense, but try to observe and learn a little bit before you start making threads of this nature.

pav 08-15-2006 01:41 PM

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The Chicago Bears, hands down.

ogunyele, brown, harris, tank williams (is he the other dt?)

i don't know about that, i'd take vikings and panthers over the bears d-line. The linebackers are probably the best, but not the d-line.

How old are you?

I like the Vikings D-line a lot but at this point you can't say they are better than the Bears. If James and Udeze have seasons comparable to the ones O-Gun and Alex Brown had last year then you could make that argument, but they haven't yet.

And Ian Scott is the other starter. If you want to make a list like this you should at least inform yourself on the other teams. Not to mention that depth is a HUGE component in terms of ranking defensive lines.

Here are some other options for consideration besides the Bears:
Jaguars
Chargers
Ravens
Steelers
Seahawks
Bucs (not really but I'll throw them out there anyway)

why don't we just throw all 32 teams into the poll? And do you seriously want to know my age? i'll tell you if you tell me.

danman253 08-15-2006 01:42 PM

They are Reggie Hayward and Paul Spicer. I personally find Hayward very underrated, and SPicer is a decent starter. The problem with Carolina is that Jenkins is always hurt. Peppers is dominant, but Kemoeatu and Rucker are decent starters. Jacksonville has the most dominant pair of DTS in the NFL, and a pair of above average DE's makes them apretty good OL.

But as I said, the Bears are clearly number one. Tommie Harris is becoming an elite tackle in the NFL. Alex Brown is the most underrated end n the league. Ogunleye is a sack machine who dominates, and Tank Johnson and Ian Scott are strong #2's.

SuperMcGee 08-15-2006 01:42 PM

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The Chicago Bears, hands down.

ogunyele, brown, harris, tank williams (is he the other dt?)

i don't know about that, i'd take vikings and panthers over the bears d-line. The linebackers are probably the best, but not the d-line.

its tank johnson, and as BF_51 said Ian Scott is the starter and he's pretty good in his role

bearsfan_51 08-15-2006 01:42 PM

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The Chicago Bears, hands down.

ogunyele, brown, harris, tank williams (is he the other dt?)

i don't know about that, i'd take vikings and panthers over the bears d-line. The linebackers are probably the best, but not the d-line.

How old are you?

I like the Vikings D-line a lot but at this point you can't say they are better than the Bears. If James and Udeze have seasons comparable to the ones O-Gun and Alex Brown had last year then you could make that argument, but they haven't yet.

And Ian Scott is the other starter. If you want to make a list like this you should at least inform yourself on the other teams. Not to mention that depth is a HUGE component in terms of ranking defensive lines.

Here are some other options for consideration besides the Bears:
Jaguars
Chargers
Ravens
Steelers
Seahawks
Bucs (not really but I'll throw them out there anyway)

why don't we just throw all 32 teams into the poll? And do you seriously want to know my age? i'll tell you if you tell me.

At least half the teams I named are unquestionably better than the Vikings D-Line.

Dillen 08-15-2006 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by pav
why don't we just throw all 32 teams into the poll? And do you seriously want to know my age? i'll tell you if you tell me.

11?

danman253 08-15-2006 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pav
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Originally Posted by Shiver
The Chicago Bears, hands down.

ogunyele, brown, harris, tank williams (is he the other dt?)

i don't know about that, i'd take vikings and panthers over the bears d-line. The linebackers are probably the best, but not the d-line.

How old are you?

I like the Vikings D-line a lot but at this point you can't say they are better than the Bears. If James and Udeze have seasons comparable to the ones O-Gun and Alex Brown had last year then you could make that argument, but they haven't yet.

And Ian Scott is the other starter. If you want to make a list like this you should at least inform yourself on the other teams. Not to mention that depth is a HUGE component in terms of ranking defensive lines.

Here are some other options for consideration besides the Bears:
Jaguars
Chargers
Ravens
Steelers
Seahawks
Bucs (not really but I'll throw them out there anyway)

The Seahawks will be beastly as soon as Daryl Tapp Replaces either Winstrom or Fischer. Bernard and Tubbs are one of the best pair of young DTs in the NFL

The Unseen 08-15-2006 01:44 PM

The Ravens are a good choice, although Ngata has not yet played a down in the NFL. I think the Bears have the most complete line in the NFL. Other lines have question marks, this one pretty much doesn't. The Jaguars are second IMO. They have the premier DT duo in the NFL, along with Reggie Hayward and Paul Spicer. Spicer you could call the line's question mark, because he's getting older and isn't a top pass-rusher like others on good lines are. But he is still an excellent run stuffer. He is comparable to Mike Rucker in these regards, although I don't think he's should be considered as good as Mike.

The Jaguars also have great depth at D-line: back-up DT/DE Rob Meier had 6 sacks in limited action last season, and third-down DE Bobby McCray has 9 sacks in his two seasons in the NFL in his limited time, along with 4 forced fumbles. If he shows more run-stopping ability, he could be considered the "REotF". Fifth-round pick Brent Hawkins, the DE from Illinois State, has been moved to OLB, but will get time as a "designated pass-rusher": lining up at DE on passing downs, coming off the edge on blitzes, that stuff. He's look great so far in TC and in the first game. Seventh-rounder DE James Wyche also seems to have potential in this department.

pav 08-15-2006 01:46 PM

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why don't we just throw all 32 teams into the poll? And do you seriously want to know my age? i'll tell you if you tell me.

11?

Well if i was 11, i'd be a pretty darn smart 11 year old. Let's just say that it's summer vacation and i'm waiting for college to start. I personally wouldn't be very proud if i was over the age of 20 and on a football forum, no offense.

yourfavestoner 08-15-2006 01:47 PM

The Vikings? Really? Come on now. The best d-line in the NFL is a 3-way between Chicago, Carolina, and Jacksonville.

danman253 08-15-2006 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pav
why don't we just throw all 32 teams into the poll? And do you seriously want to know my age? i'll tell you if you tell me.

11?

Well if i was 11, i'd be a pretty darn smart 11 year old. Let's just say that it's summer vacation and i'm waiting for college to start. I personally wouldn't be very proud if i was over the age of 20 and on a football forum, no offense.

Why? I am 18 so i'm not speaking from Personal Experiance, but its a place where you can talk about football with people who share the same interests. I mean would you talk to your girlfriend about this stuff? No. Age doesn't really matter IMO


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