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NEW YORK (TICKER) New York Jets coach Eric Mangini will not return next season, 1050 ESPN Radio and various other New York media outlets are reporting.

Mangini and the Jets missed out on the playoffs after losing to Miami on Sunday. The Jets lost four of their last five games.

The Jets are scheduled for a 10 a.m. ET news conference.

Mangini is not expected to attend.
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Not surprising at all.
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I have a terrible feeling, and this is the first time I have said this about any team.

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i don't see that at all, especially with them running a 3-4. If minny didn't make the playoffs(or they have a 1st round exit) and Childress gets fired, I'm much more afraid of him going there.

but this is good for the Jets. No offense should send every guy in motion every play resulting in numerous illegal formations and shifts like the Jets did every game...
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i don't see that at all, especially with them running a 3-4. If minny didn't make the playoffs(or they have a 1st round exit) and Childress gets fired, I'm much more afraid of him going there.

but this is good for the Jets. No offense should send every guy in motion every play resulting in numerous illegal formations and shifts like the Jets did every game...
Their personnel can easily be translated to a 4-3...actually I think it would be the better option.
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Their personnel can easily be translated to a 4-3...actually I think it would be the better option.
but they just spent 3 years going from a 4-3 to a 3-4. there's absolutely zero chance they go back.

they're actually very close to having a pretty nice 3-4 D. The playcalling was putrid though, and they would rush just the front 3 WAY too many times
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but they just spent 3 years going from a 4-3 to a 3-4. there's absolutely zero chance they go back.

they're actually very close to having a pretty nice 3-4 D. The playcalling was putrid though, and they would rush just the front 3 WAY too many times
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i would love that. but i would be interested to see how Kris Jenkins, David Harris, Calvin Pace, and Vernon Gholston adapt to the 4-3. Yes Jenkins has already ran it but he had his best season arguably in the 3-4. Gholston is a question mark in any D. But our 2 best LBs may not be fit to this D.
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i would love that. but i would be interested to see how Kris Jenkins, David Harris, Calvin Pace, and Vernon Gholston adapt to the 4-3. Yes Jenkins has already ran it but he had his best season arguably in the 3-4. Gholston is a question mark in any D. But our 2 best LBs may not be fit to this D.
I'd be more worried about Harris and Pace than Jenkins and Gholston. I look at it this way. If the Jets want to switch back to the 4-3, IMO they need to bring back Jonathan Vilma.
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I'd be more worried about Harris and Pace than Jenkins and Gholston. I look at it this way. If the Jets want to switch back to the 4-3, IMO they need to bring back Jonathan Vilma.
thats who i meant by our best 2 LBs. Do you think HArris could play the 4-3 MLB spot
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thats who i meant by our best 2 LBs. Do you think HArris could play the 4-3 MLB spot
Nope. If the Jets move back to the 4-3, I thinkhe's gonna have to be traded to a team like Arizona or Baltimore.
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i would love that. but i would be interested to see how Kris Jenkins, David Harris, Calvin Pace, and Vernon Gholston adapt to the 4-3. Yes Jenkins has already ran it but he had his best season arguably in the 3-4. Gholston is a question mark in any D. But our 2 best LBs may not be fit to this D.
Jinx would be absolutely fine in the 4-3. Gholston would probably be better in the 4-3 to be quite frank. Harris is a question mark but I think he could be alright. Pace is a big question mark because he didn't seem to click till he was in the 3-4, same goes for Thomas though he isn't exactly a stud in the 3-4. Serviceable though. Kenyon Coleman probably doesn't have a good fit, Ellis stays outside at end presumably with Thomas and some of our other guys. Mosely moves inside, not sure what happens with DeVito. We'd definitely need a guy to start next to Jenkins inside, figure out what the best fit for Harris is and find somebody to start by him. Not sure who starts at WLB, and Pace I presume is SLB but not sure I like that fit too much.
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only reason for him leaving would have to b losing 4 of there last 5... he took a 4-12 team to a 9-7 team this year
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Not the only reason. Watch the games, they usually show things. 9-7 (more importantly, total collapse to miss the playoffs and losing to 'lesser' teams) is just the back end result that everyone sees. It goes much deeper than that.
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Good, get the bum out of town. The terrible loses do not compensate for the exciting wins (even though he almost blew it against the Patriots with his stupid defensive play calling that allowed it to go to OT). His game planning is awful. He doesn't establish the run, often voting to pass it constantly even though Favre has shown that he's not effective.

I'm not going to ramble, i've done that in the Team forum, but I cannot be more happy about this. Get him out of town. The man can't lead men, he's not a 'players coach' and no person in their right mind will look at him and say 'I'm going to follow this guy, he's a leader and a motivator'.

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Can't say I watch that much of the Jets, but if you have 2 winning seasons out of 3, you probably shouldn't be fired. Funny how you can go from a genius to a turd over a handfull of games.
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Two winning seasons in three years is weird basis to fire a coach. I think he might actually find a head job somewhere else soon. I wonder who the Jets will hire? spagnola or schwartz? Either way I think it's a safe bet that Belichick won't hire Mangini for his staff again.
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Two winning seasons in three years is weird basis to fire a coach. I think he might actually find a head job somewhere else soon. I wonder who the Jets will hire? spagnola or schwartz? Either way I think it's a safe bet that Belichick won't hire Mangini for his staff again.
Funny comment.

I'd agree that having 2 winning seasons out of 3 makes it seem odd to fire the coach, i totally understand that. Maybe i'm just very annoyed, or maybe i'm being to critical. Then again, maybe Mangini is a complete idiot....fact is, the gameplans have been bad considerably more than they should be. 3 man rushes with prevent coverage at bad times, ignoring the run game to use an ineffective pass game (when leading or in a close game with time to spare, not in come from behind efforts), and he is not a coach that appears to take control, motivate, or do anything that would lead the players to conform to him. His stubborness/stupidity in implementing the 3-4 has annoyed me from the beginning. This year it finally came together, thankfully.

I can see both sides of the coin for him to stay or go. However, he isn't Marty who wen 14-2 with a long resume to boast for him and a tiff with the owner. A new QB is coming in next year, and a new coach may be able to groom him. Who knows.

I don't see Mangini as a Superbowl winning coach at any point, so either way.....
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he shouldn't have gotten fired. he's a good coach, but this year was sabotaged by Schottenheimer who is a terrible OC, and Favre who cost him numerous games.

he needed what Coughlin needed: a new staff around him. a new DC (insert Romeo Crennel) and a new OC (insert whoever) wouldve gotten him right back on track.

sometimes continuity is more important than a fresh start. he deserved at least one more year. i don't agree with this decision.
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he shouldn't have gotten fired. he's a good coach, but this year was sabotaged by Schottenheimer who is a terrible OC, and Favre who cost him numerous games.

he needed what Coughlin needed: a new staff around him. a new DC (insert Romeo Crennel) and a new OC (insert whoever) wouldve gotten him right back on track.

sometimes continuity is more important than a fresh start. he deserved at least one more year. i don't agree with this decision.
I have to disagree with you on this one, BBD. Should he have gotten fired? Could go either way but when you're 8-3 and you just beat arguably the best team in the NFL at the time (Titans) and then to completely choke to not just mediocre teams but down right bad teams. San Francisco plays hard but isn't that good, Seattle had FIVE new starters (several with no game experience) on the offensive line and they still got absolutely no pressure, a Buffalo game that they should have 100% lost if they didn't hand the game to them, and the only good team they played was Miami and that was in their own building.

Not only that but Magini can't get his team prepared and continued to make foolish decision after foolish decision, and the Seattle game being by far the icing on the cake for him getting fired with one of the poorest coached games I've seen in the past couple of years.

I would find it hard to keep a guy who had a 4-12 season the previous year and then choked away the season to some horrible teams down the stretch. Especially with as many 'win now' moves they made this off season.

I'm not saying you're wrong about some of the play calling on both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball, but that's why he's the head coach, he is ultimately responsible for what happens on the field.
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I have to disagree with you on this one, BBD. Should he have gotten fired? Could go either way but when you're 8-3 and you just beat arguably the best team in the NFL at the time (Titans) and then to completely choke to not just mediocre teams but down right bad teams. San Francisco plays hard but isn't that good, Seattle had FIVE new starters (several with no game experience) on the offensive line and they still got absolutely no pressure, a Buffalo game that they should have 100% lost if they didn't hand the game to them, and the only good team they played was Miami and that was in their own building.

Not only that but Magini can't get his team prepared and continued to make foolish decision after foolish decision, and the Seattle game being by far the icing on the cake for him getting fired with one of the poorest coached games I've seen in the past couple of years.

I would find it hard to keep a guy who had a 4-12 season the previous year and then choked away the season to some horrible teams down the stretch. Especially with as many 'win now' moves they made this off season.

I'm not saying you're wrong about some of the play calling on both the offensive and defensive sides of the ball, but that's why he's the head coach, he is ultimately responsible for what happens on the field.
we said the SAME thing about Coughlin 2 years ago. he gets a 2nd chance with a new staff and wins the SB.

im not saying that would happen for the Jets, but sometimes we as fans need to just chill and allow guys to get another crack at it. i think Mangini would have turned this around.

sometimes **** happens. **** happened to Mangini.
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he shouldn't have gotten fired. he's a good coach, but this year was sabotaged by Schottenheimer who is a terrible OC, and Favre who cost him numerous games.

he needed what Coughlin needed: a new staff around him. a new DC (insert Romeo Crennel) and a new OC (insert whoever) wouldve gotten him right back on track.

sometimes continuity is more important than a fresh start. he deserved at least one more year. i don't agree with this decision.
Not many coordinators would have jumped at the opportunity, because Mangini only had one year left on his contract. If Mangini was let go after this year, good chance the coordinators would be too.
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There is the other side to this coin, however, that the Jets are probabably going to tear a few things down and start rebuilding, so why not start clean.

If that's the case, however, why does Woody Johnson keep his job? Doesn't he control the draft, which would put the blame on him for not fixing the quarterback position?
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There is the other side to this coin, however, that the Jets are probabably going to tear a few things down and start rebuilding, so why not start clean.

If that's the case, however, why does Woody Johnson keep his job? Doesn't he control the draft, which would put the blame on him for not fixing the quarterback position?
i believe Tannenbaum controls the draft, with heavy influence from Mangini.

i don't believe this team needs to get blown up. they have the pieces in place to compete.

its just an overreaction by the team.
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Yeah sorry I got confused, Woody Johnson owns the team, so he's probably not getting fired.:)

As for the Jets being able to compete, I was pretty low on them last year so not much has changed, but they need to decide very quickly if Kellen Clemmens is the answer.
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