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Old 01-01-2009, 12:15 AM    (permalink
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Orakpo, Mays,Maualuga.

I like Michael Johnson as well, but I'd rather have Orakpo.

I think the Texans need to draft a DE first and foremost.

Orakpo is #1 on my board. Orakpo is a little undersized, but makes up for it with his power,motor, and strength. He has been injured a few times, but I still think he is the best DE available.

Michael Johnson; Man this guy is an athletic FREAK(like Orakpo), but in a different way. He is 6'7 and has a very athletic build. The reason that I like Orakpo more is that I think Orakpo would do better on the other side of Mario Williams. I think Orakpo has a higher motor than Johnson and think a high motor guy like Orakpo would do more destruction combined with Mario.
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Three spots I would like to see addressed early are DE, DT, and S. We need a compliment to Slaton and depth elsewhere but those are my top three. Once we get our new defensive coordinator perhaps we will be able to more accurately guess what areas we will target early in the draft and in FA. Can't wait!
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Brian Orakpo would be awesome. He's a machine. Maybe I'm a little bias but I think he's an incredible collegiate player and should be even better in the pro's when he develops a bigger arsenal of pass rush moves. He benches 515+...it's insane.

But I doubt he drops to our spot, and I don't think Taylor Mays will either.
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Got to get another DE. Mario is the only one providing pressure. I would love Osackpo from Texas, but I cant think of a scenario where he makes it this far in the draft. I would think he would go quick...

I like the safety depth this year. I might trade down and take a safety and pick up some other picks. There will be quality safeties in the second round this year.

Runningbacks are a dime a dozen. Can get a good one in the third or fourth, I would think.

This is a HUGE year for Houston. To think, if Sage "Turnover machine" hadnt thrown those games, we might still be watching Texans football...
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1: William Moore, S Missouri
2: Victor Harris, CB Virginia Tech
3: Will Davis, DE Illinois
4: Antoine Caldwell, C Alabama
5: Tyronne Green, OG Auburn
6: Mitch King, DT Iowa


1: Everette Brown, DE Florida St.
2: Rashad Johnson, S Alabama
3: Fili Moala, DT USC
4: Domonique Johnson, CB Jackson St.
5: Bret Helms, C LSU

Ok here are two quick mocks I've done for our draft, which do you guys like better?
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1: William Moore, S Missouri
2: Victor Harris, CB Virginia Tech
3: Will Davis, DE Illinois
4: Antoine Caldwell, C Alabama
5: Tyronne Green, OG Auburn
6: Mitch King, DT Iowa


1: Everette Brown, DE Florida St.
2: Rashad Johnson, S Alabama
3: Fili Moala, DT USC
4: Domonique Johnson, CB Jackson St.
5: Bret Helms, C LSU

Ok here are two quick mocks I've done for our draft, which do you guys like better?
I most definitely like the second more. I think that'd be reaching for more at 15.

I think our best case scenario is we trade down and are able to get some real value with our pick.

I agree w/ the OP and while I'd love to see Orapko, I understand it's not likely he'll fall that far, but could you imagine? Or even Michael Johnson, two 6'7" freaks of nature coming off the edge? Sick.
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I most definitely like the second more. I think that'd be reaching for more at 15.

I think our best case scenario is we trade down and are able to get some real value with our pick.

I agree w/ the OP and while I'd love to see Orapko, I understand it's not likely he'll fall that far, but could you imagine? Or even Michael Johnson, two 6'7" freaks of nature coming off the edge? Sick.
Orakpo's workout numbers are gonna be insane, he's gonna go in the top 10. Michael Johnson is a situational pass rusher in the NFL I expect. He is AWFUL against the run, and even his pass rush production in college was nothing special.
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I've seen so many mocks having Houston taking a DE with their first. I just want to know, do Texans fans really want another DE? It would give them a great pass-rush, but where would he play? If you get a guy like Everette Brown, does Williams play the strong End? I think he's much more effective rushing from the weak side. It would just seem to leave the line pretty vulnerable against the run, in my opinion. I think they would be much better off getting a playmaker at DB (which is looking more and more like CB, since no S has mid-1st value right now) and getting a bigger DE, who can stop the run first and rush the passer second, later in the draft. Is there something I'm missing?
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I've seen so many mocks having Houston taking a DE with their first. I just want to know, do Texans fans really want another DE? It would give them a great pass-rush, but where would he play? If you get a guy like Everette Brown, does Williams play the strong End? I think he's much more effective rushing from the weak side. It would just seem to leave the line pretty vulnerable against the run, in my opinion. I think they would be much better off getting a playmaker at DB (which is looking more and more like CB, since no S has mid-1st value right now) and getting a bigger DE, who can stop the run first and rush the passer second, later in the draft. Is there something I'm missing?

Mario Williams is definately a Strongside end, and he actually would probably be a better 3-4 end. He is a freak and is probably top 10 run-stuffing DE in the league, while being a great pass rusher. They definately need a weakside DE that pretty much is a pass rush specialist to take pressure off the rest of the 1st round picks on the d-line.
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I've seen so many mocks having Houston taking a DE with their first. I just want to know, do Texans fans really want another DE? It would give them a great pass-rush, but where would he play? If you get a guy like Everette Brown, does Williams play the strong End? I think he's much more effective rushing from the weak side. It would just seem to leave the line pretty vulnerable against the run, in my opinion. I think they would be much better off getting a playmaker at DB (which is looking more and more like CB, since no S has mid-1st value right now) and getting a bigger DE, who can stop the run first and rush the passer second, later in the draft. Is there something I'm missing?
A big DE isn't really much of a need because that's exactly what Anthony Weaver is. He is really a DT playing DE, HE DIDN'T HAVE A SINGLE SACK AND STARTED 16 GAMES. God does he frustrate me, I don't understand how he is so poor at pass rushing. We don't need a great run stuffer who can't pass rush, or a great pass rusher who gets run over. Someone inbetween is what we need. Everette Brown seems like he would fit the bill. Anyway we don't run a strongside/weakside DE system all that often, we move Mario around a good amount, but for the most part Mario plays the right side.
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I've seen so many mocks having Houston taking a DE with their first. I just want to know, do Texans fans really want another DE? It would give them a great pass-rush, but where would he play? If you get a guy like Everette Brown, does Williams play the strong End? I think he's much more effective rushing from the weak side. It would just seem to leave the line pretty vulnerable against the run, in my opinion. I think they would be much better off getting a playmaker at DB (which is looking more and more like CB, since no S has mid-1st value right now) and getting a bigger DE, who can stop the run first and rush the passer second, later in the draft. Is there something I'm missing?
Unless we can get a great CB in free agency i dont see them adding a CB. Daunta will be healthy and much better next season(I dont see rick smith letting him get away in free agency) and i still think Bennett can be a good corner. When a QB has all day to throw(which almost every QB we played did), they will make any backfield look bad. We need someone else who can get to the QB. We have no clue what Mario is capable of because we havent seen him with any help. Look at how much better Andre is now that we have other offensive weapons to go along with him. If we dont take a DE with the first pick i would be very suprised, then maybe a playmaker at S in the second round.

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I've seen so many mocks having Houston taking a DE with their first. I just want to know, do Texans fans really want another DE? It would give them a great pass-rush, but where would he play? If you get a guy like Everette Brown, does Williams play the strong End? I think he's much more effective rushing from the weak side. It would just seem to leave the line pretty vulnerable against the run, in my opinion. I think they would be much better off getting a playmaker at DB (which is looking more and more like CB, since no S has mid-1st value right now) and getting a bigger DE, who can stop the run first and rush the passer second, later in the draft. Is there something I'm missing?
Mario is not strictly a weakside DE for us, he rotates between RE and LE. Having watched every snap of his since he was a rookie I would say he is arguably better on the strongside. It seems like every time he is lined up against RTs he blows right by them, and he makes an impact against the run from either position. The reason most knowledgeable fans would welcome a DE despite all the high draft picks/money already invested on the line is because right now the simple fact is that we have 1 pass rusher on our roster. Anthony Weaver is a 3-4 end playing out of position for us and it hurts the pass rush bad. Okoye has the potential to be a good pass rushing DT but he needs to step up. I don't think getting a 1st round DE will take the pressure off of Mario but all we need is someone that can win some of those 1 on 1 situations they will be in because of all the attention Mario gets because no one on our roster has shown he is capable of doing that with much consistency.

As for the DBs, while we have no one of Mario's calibur, I would argue that our 2nd, 3rd, and 4th string CBs are better (and have more upside) than their conterparts at DE. So if we draft a CB in round 1 that would certainly be an upgrade, just not as large an upgrade as that DE opposite Mario. Fact is that if the value is right the Texans could take just about any position on defense and it would help out, but if there are multiple value picks, and one of those picks happens to be at DE, bet your bottom dollar he will be the pick.
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It is starting to look more and more like we will be taking a OLB. The three big name DE are all probably better in a 3-4(plus as datchapin pointed out they will probably be gone), in a 4-3 they are all RDE, so is Mario, and i know that Mario can play LDE but he should play the side he is more comfortable. Right now I think it will be between Cushing and Matthews.
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I kind of hope we take Rey Maualuga, move DeMeco to the outside, and pick up a WDE or S in round 2
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If we take a LB in round one I will be very surprised. FA will present the opportunity for us to sign a good FA LB. Two notable ones are Angelo Crowell and Channing Crowder. There are plenty of good depth guys available too. DE and Safety are just such huge needs for us I would be very surprised if we didn't address either of those positions in the first round.
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i really thought they were going to target a OLB in the 1st round of the draft. Now that they cut Weaver and dont have anyone worth starting they must of been really impressed with the DEs at the combine, unless they have someone in mind in free agency.

thank god sage is going to be gone. everytime he would come in the game i just knew he would blow the game with ints. not sure who they plan on getting to back up Matt.
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Hi guys. I'm not a Texans fan, but I picked them to do a mock just to help out. Here's what I have so far...and I'm pretty pleased with myself. I wanted to come over here to see how actual fans of the teams feel about my picks.

Rd 1: Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
Rd 2: William Moore, S, Missouri
Rd 3: Marcus Freeman, OLB, Ohio State
Rd 4: Donald Brown, RB, UConn


Also, this is an ongoing draft, so regardless of how you like or dislike my picks so far...who would you want to finish out the draft (people or positions)?
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If Donald Brown is around in the 4th round then I'll eat my shorts.

I will guarantee that he doesn't make it out of the 2nd.

2nd & 3rd round picks are good.

I'm not that high on Brown. Depending on who is available, I feel like the Texans have to try to trade back and get an extra mid round pick.
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Agreed on Donald Brown. I was shocked to see him still there.

Glad you like the middle picks. Those were the ones I was unsure of.
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Hi guys. I'm not a Texans fan, but I picked them to do a mock just to help out. Here's what I have so far...and I'm pretty pleased with myself. I wanted to come over here to see how actual fans of the teams feel about my picks.

Rd 1: Everette Brown, DE, Florida State
Rd 2: William Moore, S, Missouri
Rd 3: Marcus Freeman, OLB, Ohio State
Rd 4: Donald Brown, RB, UConn


Also, this is an ongoing draft, so regardless of how you like or dislike my picks so far...who would you want to finish out the draft (people or positions)?
I like it.

I'd rather have Orakpo if he fell to #15.

Moore would be a great 2nd round pick.

Freeman is under rated.

Brown would be good. I like RB Cedric Peerman from Virginia as well.

Since we have another 4th, I'd take DB Donald Washington from Ohio st. if he was still available.

5th Roy Miller/Captain Munnerlyn.......Whichever one is available(???If either of them is available???Both could be long gone by the 5th. I have no idea.)

6th Alex Boone

7th QB Todd Boeckman Ohio st.
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With Antonio Smith on board, that takes out DE as a 1st round choice. Maybe we take Malcolm Jenkins and start him at Safety?
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With Antonio Smith on board, that takes out DE as a 1st round choice. Maybe we take Malcolm Jenkins and start him at Safety?
Jenkins would be an excellent pick if he is still there at #15.
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The Texans will probably go Defensive Back or OLB in the first round and then it all depends on who else we sign in free agency.

1. OLB - Brian Cushing - USC
2. DE - Connor Barwin - UC
3. Safety - Chris Clemons - Clemson
4. DT - Roy Miller - Texas
4. WR - Demetrius Byrd - LSU
5. QB - Stephen McGee - Texas A&M
6. DE - Phillip Hunt - UH
7. OL - Louis Vasquez - TT
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Thanks for the replies.

- Orakpo was gone before the pick got to me. I was hoping I could make that home town pick.
- The first round pick was made on Feb 9th. I think Smith signed a couple days ago? Not sure. Agree that a re-do would result in a different position for Rd 1.
- TH, you really like those Buckeyes don't you :)?
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