Trades you think should happen?

descendency · 12-19-2009, 05:48 PM

What are trades you think should happen? (Keep in mind the idea is to improve both teams, not just Peyton Manning for Jake Delhomme)

Swapping two Rams busts:
Adam Carriker for Glenn Dorsey (Kansas City)
and
Chris Long for Vernon Gholston (NY Jets)

Analysis: Both Rams seem more like 34 pieces than 43 pieces. Long looks more like an OLB than a DE and Carriker looks like a 5-tech more than a 3-tech 1 gap. Dorsey was built to play 1 gap 3 tech and Gholston is an interesting prospect to give a shot to as a pure pass rusher with his hand in the ground. I'd say you will have to see him play with his hand in the ground at some point.

A broncos mistake:
Robert Ayers (Broncos) for A WR (probably from the Saints)

Ayers' problem is that he is a left defensive end playing left outside linebacker. He's stiff. The Broncos could use a WR in case Brandon Marshall is not resigned. They really just need to move him because he's 100% not a part of their system.

Chargers:
Shawne Merriman for some a lineman or two.

Let's be honest, Merriman has not looked like the steroid Merriman. Their OL needs repair and their DL is hurt (Jamal Williams is 34 year old NT...). Signing a 34 NT in the off-season will be very expensive. If you could get rights to one, then this trade could be insane. Granted, Merriman is also on his last year of his contract...

Ravens:
One of their running backs for a wideout

The Ravens' have 3 runningbacks and 1 WR. That's not a positive statement, especially with a very good but young QB in Joe Flacco. I guess having the running game to lean on is a good thing for a QB though.

What I am mainly looking for is where are guys extremely under-performing because they are in the wrong position or where does a team have too many good players on their roster in one position and a void in another?

RealityCheck · 12-19-2009, 06:01 PM

I'd proudly give Welker to Denver if they handed out Ayers and two first rounders.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf) · 12-20-2009, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RealityCheck

I'd proudly give Welker to Denver if they handed out Ayers and two first rounders.

wicket · 12-19-2009, 06:07 PM

Im fine with the saints DEnds as they are tbqh, Will Smith is beastly, Charles Grant and Bobby McCray are fine. Not saying I wouldnt take Ayers but trading him for the likes of maechem or something wouldnt be an improvement.

gsorace · 12-19-2009, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by descendency

Chris Long for Vernon Gholston (NY Jets)

Gholston is an interesting prospect to give a shot to as a pure pass rusher with his hand in the ground. I'd say you will have to see him play with his hand in the ground at some point.

Gholston's problem isn't that he can't play OLB, it's that he doesn't care about football. He's like JaMarcus Russell, he got his money and thats all he cared about, he's happy to ride the bench until he gets cut.

TimD · 12-19-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by gsorace

Gholston's problem isn't that he can't play OLB, it's that he doesn't care about football. He's like JaMarcus Russell, he got his money and thats all he cared about, he's happy to ride the bench until he gets cut.

yup exactly. he barely plays, not because of talent, but because of his poor work ethic. it seems like he doesnt want to get better

SenorGato · 12-20-2009, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TimDris

yup exactly. he barely plays, not because of talent, but because of his poor work ethic. it seems like he doesnt want to get better

Seriously?

I mean, I've forgotten about Gholston and generally don't care what happens to him going forward, though I hope it's something positive.

That said, you don't get to where he's gotten with a crappy work ethic. You don't get to where he's gotten without wanting to get better.

The guy hasn't even seen the field for significant snaps since Week 5 when Pace came back.

It's not like he's going through something groundbreaking...tons of guys making the transition from DE to 3-4 OLB don't see the field alot early in their career...he's only been in the league for a little over 18 months.

I'd be willing to give Adam Carriker a shot as a 3-4 DE.

gsorace · 12-20-2009, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorGato

Seriously?

I mean, I've forgotten about Gholston and generally don't care what happens to him going forward, though I hope it's something positive.

That said, you don't get to where he's gotten with a crappy work ethic. You don't get to where he's gotten without wanting to get better.

The guy hasn't even seen the field for significant snaps since Week 5 when Pace came back.

It's not like he's going through something groundbreaking...tons of guys making the transition from DE to 3-4 OLB don't see the field alot early in their career...he's only been in the league for a little over 18 months.

I'd be willing to give Adam Carriker a shot as a 3-4 DE.

Jamaal Westerman is an undrafted rookie who is making the same transition and he sees more snaps on D than Gholston does. He even has a sack.

What does that tell you?

SenorGato · 12-26-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gsorace

Jamaal Westerman is an undrafted rookie who is making the same transition and he sees more snaps on D than Gholston does. He even has a sack.

What does that tell you?

That Westerman made the transition quicker and got a sack.

Crickett · 12-20-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorGato

Seriously?

I mean, I've forgotten about Gholston and generally don't care what happens to him going forward, though I hope it's something positive.

That said, you don't get to where he's gotten with a crappy work ethic. You don't get to where he's gotten without wanting to get better.

Having watched him play........... yes, I do.

You don't think some athletes just stop caring once they get the paycheck? I said athletes because that's true with MLB and the NBA too. It happens and there is very little one can do to predict it.

BeerBaron · 12-26-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Crickett

Having watched him play........... yes, I do.

You don't think some athletes just stop caring once they get the paycheck? I said athletes because that's true with MLB and the NBA too. It happens and there is very little one can do to predict it.

Weren't there signs with both Russell and Gholston though? They had freakish physical ability, I remember that, and both made the leap to the pros as soon as they could, after only 3 years in college IIRC. (Gholston may have redshirted one due to injury though I think...)

And I with as much scouting and research as teams put into players, the signs have to be there. Russell definitely had the greater upside to Quinn that year, and with the way Al Davis likes freakish athletes, it's little surprise that he jumped on Russell #1 overall. Meanwhile, I think the Jets jumped on Gholston spiting the Pats just as much as they needed him themselves.....

All I know is that both were "boom or bust" type guys and both busted very, very hard. Even Rex Ryan, who has developed some tremendous studs on defense in Baltimore, couldn't seem to do anything with Gholston. And I think that's a sign of both of these guys simply not giving a **** now that they're rich as can be.

And another point, I think this is good evidence for why a rookie salary scale is needed too.....Make those rookies, even the most highly drafted ones, work for that first "big" NFL contract.

prock · 12-26-2009, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SenorGato

Seriously?

I mean, I've forgotten about Gholston and generally don't care what happens to him going forward, though I hope it's something positive.

That said, you don't get to where he's gotten with a crappy work ethic. You don't get to where he's gotten without wanting to get better.

The guy hasn't even seen the field for significant snaps since Week 5 when Pace came back.

It's not like he's going through something groundbreaking...tons of guys making the transition from DE to 3-4 OLB don't see the field alot early in their career...he's only been in the league for a little over 18 months.

I'd be willing to give Adam Carriker a shot as a 3-4 DE.

Jamarcus Russel got to where he is with no work ethic. So did Gholston.

superman8456 · 12-19-2009, 06:21 PM

Aaron Kampman is an awkward fit on the Packers now. I know he was a horrendous 34 OLB, dont know if hes back to end in the 34 though.

I would sent a 1st away for him.

NIN1984 · 12-19-2009, 07:12 PM

I could see the Raiders trying to deal Michael Huff, he is having his best season as a pro, but isn't a full time starter. I think Al will most likely want Mitchell and Branch to be his starting safeties next season.

also Michael Bush could be moved, Al almost traded him to San Diego, last season I believe.

cvv84 · 12-19-2009, 07:42 PM

Glenn Dorsey has actually played pretty damn well this year.

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Aaron Kampman is an awkward fit on the Packers now. I know he was a horrendous 34 OLB, dont know if hes back to end in the 34 though.

I would sent a 1st away for him.

Sure we'll tade you an impending free agent coming off a torn ACL for a 1st round pick. Are you the GM for the Raiders or something? lol

superman8456 · 12-19-2009, 07:47 PM

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Glenn Dorsey has actually played pretty damn well this year.

Sure we'll tade you an impending free agent coming off a torn ACL for a 1st round pick. Are you the GM for the Raiders or something? lol

Didn't know he tore his ACL or was an impending free agent. Maybe you should calm down, buddy....

cvv84 · 12-19-2009, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by superman8456

Didn't know he tore his ACL or was an impending free agent. Maybe you should calm down, buddy....

I'm as calm as could be. Take a joke bro.

619 · 12-26-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by NIN1984

I could see the Raiders trying to deal Michael Huff, he is having his best season as a pro, but isn't a full time starter. I think Al will most likely want Mitchell and Branch to be his starting safeties next season.

also Michael Bush could be moved, Al almost traded him to San Diego, last season I believe.

I understand we have to make use of our investment on Mitchell, but I would really hate to see Huff go for anything less than a second round pick, which is very high compensation for a one-year wonder.

The center field role he plays in our defense is tough to manage for even the best ranging safeties and he has handled it more than adequately this season, to say the least. If Mitchell were to come in and replace him in that role there is no question he would fail miserably. The only way I could stomach giving up Huff is if Branch stepped into Huff's position, while Mitchell took over the strong safety spot.

Also, Michael Bush isn't going anywhere. My belief is that the team intends to continue to utilize Bush + McFadden in a tandem - the way they kicked off the season in SD. Fargas only saw an increased role in the offense because of McFadden's injury. Fargas is the one whose future remains in limbo with the team, although he is a team player and will probably play out his contract here (free agent after next season).