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Old 10-11-2010, 01:13 PM    (permalink
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Six weeks into the college football season and one week before the first Bowl Championship Series standings are released, there are 13 unbeaten teams in all three polls.

So who'd be the BCS' No. 1 if the standings came out today? Would it be consensus No. 1 Ohio State, the top team in The Associated Press, USA Today and Harris polls? Or maybe fellow unbeaten Oregon, ranked No. 2 and earning first-place votes in all three polls?

According to the projection of ESPN's Brad Edwards, it's consensus No. 3 Boise State.

According to the projections, the No. 1 Buckeyes would place fifth in the BCS standings, percentage points behind Oklahoma.

Edwards projects the unbeaten Broncos, the highest-ranked team from a non-automatic qualifying conference, as the top team in the standings by a comfortable margin, followed by Oregon. The top two teams in the final regular-season BCS standings play in the BCS National Championship Game.

Fellow BCS buster TCU places third in Edwards' projections, followed by Oklahoma at .8425 and Ohio State at .8421.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5673225

All I know is that I'm tired of seeing the same teams in the title game. Boise deserves a shot at the national title for years, and this year should be THE year.

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It won't be if there are two other undefeated teams. They will fall...hard.
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It won't be if there are two other undefeated teams. They will fall...hard.
I think Boise and TCU will go to the NC over Auburn and maybe even LSU or Oklahoma.

Conferences are just overrated. The BCS also considers, a lot, weeks in the ranks.
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I think Boise and TCU will go to the NC over Auburn and maybe even LSU or Oklahoma.
I'd be pretty upset if that happened. SOS should be a big factor, even if its unfair to legitimately good non-AQ teams.
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The rankings will change significantly as BSU's and TCU's schedules weaken over time and the other top teams get into the meat of their schedule. Boise has to hope for VaTech and Oregon State to run the table to have anything noteworthy on their schedule. VaTech could possibly do that with their schedule and climb back into the rankings to help Boise's case. OSU finishes against USC, Stanford and Oregon. Hoping for the Beavers to be ranked when all is said and done is pushing it. Nevada may climb a bit, but they will get murdered in the polls with a loss to Boise.
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I think Boise and TCU will go to the NC over Auburn and maybe even LSU or Oklahoma.

Conferences are just overrated. The BCS also considers, a lot, weeks in the ranks.
That's a complete joke. You think they'd make it over Auburn or LSU, that would have to go through a ridiculously tough SEC schedule.

I can understand arguing Boise over Nebraska, who plays a very weak schedule, but anyone other then them is just wrong.

If Boise wants a national title they're gonna have to do more then play the schedule they do. I don't want to hear how it's not their fault who they play, because it's no one elses job to get them a schedule.
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I think Boise and TCU will go to the NC over Auburn and maybe even LSU or Oklahoma.

Conferences are just overrated. The BCS also considers, a lot, weeks in the ranks.
You are joking, right? An undefeated SEC team doesn't go over Boise? An undefeated Big 12 team? You can say it is overrated, but it sure counts.
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You are joking, right? An undefeated SEC team doesn't go over Boise? An undefeated Big 12 team? You can say it is overrated, but it sure counts.
All you can ask is do you honestly think Boise would go undefeated in the SEC.. I think the answer is no. If there is an undefeated team in any of the major conferences I think that will be the question at hand... Could Boise or TCU go undefeated in those conferences... Yea they play in these games and get wins but they prepare for them like none other.

I agree with Shane that it counts for a lot.

If anything I just see as them trying to give Boise some love before they break their hearts when they don't get in the NC
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Note to top teams:
Stop playing good teams. Schedule two mediocre ones at best, barely win, play powder puff conference teams and play for a NC.
Good message to send.
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Boise State and TCU have no business ever being in a National Championship game.
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Boise State and TCU have no business ever being in a National Championship game.
Thats where youre wrong, why the **** not?

Boise comes out every year and throws out an open challenge to everyone in the country because they wanna raise their SOS....they even make the challenge saying they dont have to set up a home at home....they will go to play at the other teams' place. Its not their fault that every team in college football is scared of em because they dont have a ****** sack.


They have done everything they have been asked to do....they deserve the chance if they go undefeated. Stop being a hater.
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Stop playing good teams. Schedule two mediocre ones at best, barely win, play powder puff conference teams and play for a NC.
Good message to send.
Completely agree why schedule anyone outside of the sunbelt and the Mac
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Good message to send.
I hate to tell you, but this has been the strategy for quite a few national champions in the past.

"Tough conference games" and an out of conference schedule that would be easy for an FCS team.
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The ignorance in regards to this subject is just mind-boggling. I keep hearing excuses, excuses, and more excuses but no solutions to the problem. It's too easy just to keep spouting off "OMG!!! They only play two good teamzz. They suck. LOL!!!" without actually putting any thought into what you're saying.

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If Boise wants a national title they're gonna have to do more then play the schedule they do. I don't want to hear how it's not their fault who they play, because it's no one elses job to get them a schedule.
Do you know how college football scheduling works? YOU CAN'T PUT A TEAM ON YOUR SCHEDULE IF THEY DON'T WANT TO SCHEDULE YOU. So yeah, it kind of is other teams' jobs to get them a tougher schedule. You think Alabama is begging Boise for a game but the Broncos said "Nah, we'll schedule Toledo instead"? In case you missed it Boise State just joined a conference starting next year featuring four other very solid teams just to watch two of those teams get up and leave the conference immediately after. Please explain to me a realistic way for Boise State to strengthen it's schedule. If you know how they can, and it sounds like you do, I would like to know. Gene Bleymaier is dying to know as well.

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Win all of your games? Too ******* bad your not going to the National Championship game. We like this team who didn't win all of their games better.

Much better message to send.
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The ignorance in regards to this subject is just mind-boggling.

Do you know how college football scheduling works? YOU CAN'T PUT A TEAM ON YOUR SCHEDULE IF THEY DON'T WANT TO SCHEDULE YOU. So yeah, it kind of is other teams' jobs to get them a tougher schedule.
You do realize that Boise (yes, podunk Boise) demands $1M to play an away game without a return visit. That is insane. What big school is going to do that? Schedule a decent team and pay them so you don't have to play on their podunk blue field?

Former podunk teams didn't pop up over night. FSU took all comers. Virginia Tech as well. Ransoming the big boys isn't the way to do it.
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yes, that podunk little #3 overall team. but i bet if you say 'podunk' a few more times, it might actually come true and will sound less, well, childish.
Your arrogance and continuous ranting are, well, childish. But most of us are adults wasting time talking about a game that a bunch of kids play, so I guess we are, well, all, a bit, childish (superfluous commas for extra pomposity).

I do agree that it's about money. Why should the big schools and the big conferences give the little guys everything that they want?

The point stands that it takes many years to develop a brand, many dollars to develop a sports program, and a lot of dedicated people to elevate a program to a national level. When other teams of similar ilk (i.e. FSU and VT) were barnstorming the nation, they weren't making ridiculous demands. They played anyone, anywhere. Now they are a part of the club.

BSU looks to be a team just like those guys. But the ridiculous home/home requirement is too much. The big boys see that as a lose/lose. Tough non-BCS team that wants a home/home in their tiny stadium with a blue field? Either that or pay $1M for the privilege to play them? Not happening very often unless someone like ESPN would make the deal extra sweet for the large school.

WRT the BCS, the system is severely flawed. It's rigged for traditional powers, obviously. A playoff would be the ideal way to determine a champion, and hopefully we all see it before we die.

The thing is, most non-BCS schools flat out suck at football and have no business being in the same system. I mean, there are also quite a few BCS schools that flat out suck at football. It's an expensive, difficult sport. Forcing the top schools to play each other more is appealing.

Leaving an avenue for the non-BCS schools in a playoff future is a must as well. I think it will happen.

Also, I'd like to wipe out the Big East. They are almost all playing MAC level football now.
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my arrogance and ranting?



fully agree with almost all of this. i wouldn't expect, say, alabama to schedule BSU for that cost or out of the goodness of its heart. and i get why they don't want the home/home. though i'd add that, for a lot of these teams, i think there's an element of fear at this point. nothing worse than agreeing to play BSU or TCU then actually losing to them.
Perhaps, but Oregon and Virginia Tech have played Boise. Sure, they aren't OSU, Texas, USC, Oklahoma, Bama, or Florida, but they have been consistent top teams in their conferences. And when given the choice for say Ohio State to go with Miami (FL) or Boise or to go with Oklahoma or Boise, it is an obvious choice. Alabama isn't going to choose to play Boise over Penn State for their big OOC game. The system doesn't really favor big time OOC games, but many of these top teams do it or are trying to do it, Boise included. If the reward was actually there for beating a Top 25 team, any top 25 team, then teams would leap to schedule a TCU or Boise. The fact is, Alabama gets more credit for beating a mediocre Penn State team than had they scheduled Boise and won. That's the system.

It isn't Boise's fault they aren't getting into the National Title, but that doesn't mean they SHOULD compete for the National Title.
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my arrogance and ranting?
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fully agree with almost all of this. i wouldn't expect, say, alabama to schedule BSU for that cost or out of the goodness of its heart. and i get why they don't want the home/home. though i'd add that, for a lot of these teams, i think there's an element of fear at this point. nothing worse than agreeing to play BSU or TCU then actually losing to them.
It's sad that it's come down to this. This is almost solely the cause of the BCS and it's ridiculous formula. W-L record reigns supreme, as do the biased, reactionary voting of coaches.

The system needs to start rewarding difficult schedules more. That is a nice temporary fix.
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The ignorance in regards to this subject is just mind-boggling. I keep hearing excuses, excuses, and more excuses but no solutions to the problem. It's too easy just to keep spouting off "OMG!!! They only play two good teamzz. They suck. LOL!!!" without actually putting any thought into what you're saying.


Do you know how college football scheduling works? YOU CAN'T PUT A TEAM ON YOUR SCHEDULE IF THEY DON'T WANT TO SCHEDULE YOU. So yeah, it kind of is other teams' jobs to get them a tougher schedule. You think Alabama is begging Boise for a game but the Broncos said "Nah, we'll schedule Toledo instead"? In case you missed it Boise State just joined a conference starting next year featuring four other very solid teams just to watch two of those teams get up and leave the conference immediately after. Please explain to me a realistic way for Boise State to strengthen it's schedule. If you know how they can, and it sounds like you do, I would like to know. Gene Bleymaier is dying to know as well.


Win all of your games? Too ******* bad your not going to the National Championship game. We like this team who didn't win all of their games better.

Much better message to send.
Teams in BCS conferences don't schedule Boise because their conference schedules are tough enough that that they don't need an OOC victory over Boise State.

In a BCS conference teams have to prep every single week like the team they're playing has a legitimate chance to beat them because they usually do. They have to play their starters the entire game. The rigors of the schedule demand that they have depth.

Boise plays opponents that are so bad it can pretty much just show up and win. Most of its games are over with at the half.

I'm sorry that Boise isn't in a BCS conference but the fact is that it is isn't. It is much easier for Boise to go undefeated than it would be for any other BCS conference team. If Boise wants to get in to a NC game, get in a BCS conference. Otherwise, tough luck.

Now of course this is all under the BCS system. If Boise were to get a to a NC game via a playoff system, then they would obviously deserve to be there.
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yes, just ask the ACC/Big East. or let's stop pretending like "BCS conferences" has anything to do with it.



yes, no doubt nebraska preps all week for that huge game with CU right before the big 12 championship. meanwhile, boise couldn't care less before playing nevada. i know TCU won't prep at all for utah. or air force. total gimmes.



which is, of course, why OSU schedules ohio, marshall and eastern michigan for half of it's season. so it can rest up for big games like illinois, indiana, penn state and minnesota.

oregon? i can only imagine the strain of playing new mexico, and portland state in preparation for a really tough matchup against washington state, UCLA, arizona state, or washington. they must have had nightmares about portland state.



the only relevant points thus far regarding TCU and boise are jbond's. the only reason these teams will never, ever play in the NC is money. i can't imagine the BCS letting them in over two loss teams if they could find any way to avoid it. which is pathetic. football fans should be ashamed of themselves.
First, a general point. The practice of going through and separating a argument in the way that is so popular on this site is a lame one. Arguments should be refuted in their entirety.

You use the exceptions on Boise State and TCU's schedule to argue that it is strong and the exceptions on BCS conference schedules to argue they are weak. This is a poor argument.

Teams in BCS conferences will face more consistent challenges throughout the season, making it harder to go undefeated. This is irrefutable.
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First, a general point. The practice of going through and separating a argument in the way that is so popular on this site is a lame one. Arguments should be refuted in their entirety.

You use the exceptions on Boise State and TCU's schedule to argue that it is strong and the exceptions on BCS conference schedules to argue they are weak. This is a poor argument.

Teams in BCS conferences will face more consistent challenges throughout the season, making it harder to go undefeated. This is irrefutable.
Well put.

Especially that last point. The numbers don't lie.
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Do you know how college football scheduling works? YOU CAN'T PUT A TEAM ON YOUR SCHEDULE IF THEY DON'T WANT TO SCHEDULE YOU. So yeah, it kind of is other teams' jobs to get them a tougher schedule. You think Alabama is begging Boise for a game but the Broncos said "Nah, we'll schedule Toledo instead"? In case you missed it Boise State just joined a conference starting next year featuring four other very solid teams just to watch two of those teams get up and leave the conference immediately after. Please explain to me a realistic way for Boise State to strengthen it's schedule. If you know how they can, and it sounds like you do, I would like to know. Gene Bleymaier is dying to know as well.

I don't have a solution for Boise, but its not my problem, or the other teams in the nations problem to solve. Only Boise is responsible for the schedule they play. They have to find a way to improve it if they want to get in over teams that play much stronger schedules. I've said on here the move to the MWC is a positive step for Boise, but with teams leaving that conference they're still going to have to find a way to schedule a stronger ooc schedule then most teams to make up for weaker conference play.

But I guess you're right since you used all caps.
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I actually hope both of them play each other. After that people will finally realize something is wrong with the way the NCAA FBS Champion is picked.
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