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Old 12-10-2011, 12:18 PM    (permalink
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I pulled an all-nighter to knock this one out so I am going to grab a nap.

I will check in this evening to answer questions in this thread though.
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Cleveland picks are very understandable, especially Richardson at #6 but don't you think the Browns should take a guy like Tannehill with their 2nd pick, because he could potentially have a season under his belt ala Dalton. My understanding is that by bringing in both Richardson & Floyd there will be no excuses for McCoy next season.

Melvin Ingram- Not so much disputing anything on him but will he be projected as an OLB or that is just your assessment on him?

San Fran pick is very logical thinking on your behalf with Wright. I believe he would be very valuable in that spot due to the fact if they keep Ginn or not.

Still no "Miller Time" in the 1st, is he really that hard to project a 1st Round slot for?
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Cleveland picks are very understandable, especially Richardson at #6 but don't you think the Browns should take a guy like Tannehill with their 2nd pick, because he could potentially have a season under his belt ala Dalton. My understanding is that by bringing in both Richardson & Floyd there will be no excuses for McCoy next season.

Melvin Ingram- Not so much disputing anything on him but will he be projected as an OLB or that is just your assessment on him?

San Fran pick is very logical thinking on your behalf with Wright. I believe he would be very valuable in that spot due to the fact if they keep Ginn or not.

Still no "Miller Time" in the 1st, is he really that hard to project a 1st Round slot for?
Ingram can play in whatever scheme you want him too.
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Melvin Ingram- Not so much disputing anything on him but will he be projected as an OLB or that is just your assessment on him?
Honestly, I am not sold that outside linebacker is going to be Ingram's best fit. That will have to be settled in the next few months when we get a chance to see him run through linebacker drills, etc. If I had to bet I'd say Ingram ends up as a defensive end in an even front, but linebacker is a real possibility. As I've said in the past, Ingram reminds me of Robert Ayers.

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Still no "Miller Time" in the 1st, is he really that hard to project a 1st Round slot for?
I think Miami (FL) RB Lamar Miller is more of a second or third rounder right now.
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Cleveland picks are very understandable, especially Richardson at #6 but don't you think the Browns should take a guy like Tannehill with their 2nd pick, because he could potentially have a season under his belt ala Dalton. My understanding is that by bringing in both Richardson & Floyd there will be no excuses for McCoy next season.
Scott what are your thoughts on the McCoy/Browns scenario, because I feel as though this is big.
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Perfect Ravens pick, and your explanation of other possible needs was spot-on as well.
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You dont think Alshon Jeffery would be a better pick for Chicago?
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Mehhhh, not that NT isn't an issue for the Chiefs, because it is, but mehhh on Poe.

I'm not a big Reiff fan but would prefer him to Poe for sure.

This year the Chiefs could literally go in any direction though.
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Scott I really dislike this draft for the Patriots. For as terrible as the Patriots defense is DT and CB are really the only 2 spots where there is a good amount of talent. The Pats have McCourty, Arrington, and Dowling at corner, and while Dowling is hurt and McCourty has sucked this year, I think they'll be content to go into next year with that group. The only corner I could see going to the Pats in that range is Jenkins because of his talent level and the Urban Meyer-BB connection. Dennard isn't a good enough prospect to take with the talent the Pats have there now.

I like Thompson, but he really isn't what the Pats need. They need a pass rush sub to take the place of Mike Wright and Jarvis Green. Kyle Love and Vince Wilfork are the 2 best players on the Pats defense this year, so an upgrade is hardly a need. I'll take those 2, Deaderick, Brace, Warren, and Pryor next year as a rotation, so we can address other needs. The Pats need to go with the top back 7 talent they can get.

With the board shaking out that way I'd go Te'o and Upshaw and not look back.
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Scott I really dislike this draft for the Patriots. For as terrible as the Patriots defense is DT and CB are really the only 2 spots where there is a good amount of talent. The Pats have McCourty, Arrington, and Dowling at corner, and while Dowling is hurt and McCourty has sucked this year, I think they'll be content to go into next year with that group. The only corner I could see going to the Pats in that range is Jenkins because of his talent level and the Urban Meyer-BB connection. Dennard isn't a good enough prospect to take with the talent the Pats have there now.
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I like Thompson, but he really isn't what the Pats need. They need a pass rush sub to take the place of Mike Wright and Jarvis Green. Kyle Love and Vince Wilfork are the 2 best players on the Pats defense this year, so an upgrade is hardly a need. I'll take those 2, Deaderick, Brace, Warren, and Pryor next year as a rotation, so we can address other needs. The Pats need to go with the top back 7 talent they can get.

With the board shaking out that way I'd go Te'o and Upshaw and not look back.
I strongly disagree with this. I don't like Thompson at all. He has no pass rushing ability what so ever, so how would he be a penetrating 3-tech in sub packages? And why would we draft a third round talent in the first round? I'd go Kendall Wright with this pick the way the board is shaping up. Wright has a skill set that fits the NE offense and will infuse some youth into an aging group of receivers.
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I strongly disagree with this. I don't like Thompson at all. He has no pass rushing ability what so ever, so how would he be a penetrating 3-tech in sub packages? And why would we draft a third round talent in the first round? I'd go Kendall Wright with this pick the way the board is shaping up. Wright has a skill set that fits the NE offense and will infuse some youth into an aging group of receivers.
That was essentially my analysis. I was saying he couldn't do those things which is why we wouldn't take him. He's a rich man's Brandon Deaderick.
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That was essentially my analysis. I was saying he couldn't do those things which is why we wouldn't take him. He's a rich man's Brandon Deaderick.
You wrote that we need a sub package 3-tech iirc, and that's what I disagree with. I probably didn't phrase it they way I meant it. I'd say that Thompson and Deaderick will probably end up being similar players. I'm really down on Thompson, I think he's grossly overrated.
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You wrote that we need a sub package 3-tech iirc, and that's what I disagree with. I probably didn't phrase it they way I meant it. I'd say that Thompson and Deaderick will probably end up being similar players. I'm really down on Thompson, I think he's grossly overrated.
I don't see how you could say that we don't need a sub-package 3-tech type. This year we've had no pass rush from the inside. Vince Wilfork and Kyle Love each have 2 sacks, and neither of them really collapses the pocket enough to disrupt passing plays. Even with a switch back to a 3-4 they'll still run a lot of 4 man lines.

In the past we've had smaller guys like Wright, Green, Warren, and Pleasant who've been relied on to work the inside and get pressure. This year there is nobody who can do that. I'd rather get somebody who can get pressure like Crick in the late 2nd than another sand in the pants type prototype 5-tech. There is a glaring need for an interior pass rusher on this roster, and I'd consider that a bigger need than another lineman for the base 3-4 front.
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I just had a forty minute discussion with some linguist friends about whether this "and" should be an "or" since this Philadelphia has never selected both an offensive lineman and a defensive lineman in the first round of the same draft.

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I understand the reasoning for the Cowboys pick, but CB and Interior Oline are MUCH bigger needs for us right now. Another rush backer would be nice, but with Decastro, Cordy Glenn, Janoris Jenkins and Dennard still on the board, I'll likely punt a small innocent creature if we didn't take one of them.
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I understand the reasoning for the Cowboys pick, but CB and Interior Oline are MUCH bigger needs for us right now. Another rush backer would be nice, but with Decastro, Cordy Glenn, Janoris Jenkins and Dennard still on the board, I'll likely punt a small innocent creature if we didn't take one of them.
I completely agree that cornerback is the Cowboys most pressing need, but as of right now they are in no-man's land for that position in the middle of round one. There is a big gap after Claiborne and Kirkpatrick. In fact, there is a strong chance that neither Jenkins or Dennard will even be selected in the first round, let alone the top twenty.

As for an interior offensive lineman, I think DeCastro would make sense for the Cowboys. However, does anyone really think Jerry Jones will take a blocker with his top pick two years in a row after not doing it for like two decades? I doubt it.
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I completely agree that cornerback is the Cowboys most pressing need, but as of right now they are in no-man's land for that position in the middle of round one. There is a big gap after Claiborne and Kirkpatrick. In fact, there is a strong chance that neither Jenkins or Dennard will even be selected in the first round, let alone the top twenty.

As for an interior offensive lineman, I think DeCastro would make sense for the Cowboys. However, does anyone really think Jerry Jones will take a blocker with his top pick two years in a row after not doing it for like two decades? I doubt it.
After watching this season can Jerry really afford to ignore the interior line? If DeCastro falls all the way to Dallas they cannot afford to pass. Besides it's well documented that the 'Boys war-room is run by consensus not solely by Jones; so the lack of interior line picks falls on the shoulders of the previous scouting teams, coaching staffs, as well as Jerry.

Don't get me wrong I can perfectly understand bringing in someone like Ingram I just see a lot more solid pass rushers in this draft than depth on the interior line. :)
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I can't argue with the picks based on who's available, but man, I want a quarterback.

And I would be shocked if the Browns end up picking so low. They have one winnable game left on the schedule.
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Not bad for the Ravens :)

On a side note, I was somewhat surprised that Mike Adams fell out of your round one. I like Zebrie and think he is well worth a late 1st but I consider Mike Adams to be one of the top OT prospects.

Just wondering what your thought process was :)
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On a side note, I was somewhat surprised that Mike Adams fell out of your round one. I like Zebrie and think he is well worth a late 1st but I consider Mike Adams to be one of the top OT prospects.

Just wondering what your thought process was :)
There are mixed opinions on Mike Adams. Nobody denys the talent is there, but he is just too inconsistent and a bit of an underachiever. I wouldn't be shocked if Adams is in the late first round mix when all is said and done, but he has a lot of work to do at all-star games and workouts in the coming months because he isn't that highly regarded by scouts right now.
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There are mixed opinions on Mike Adams. Nobody denys the talent is there, but he is just too inconsistent and a bit of an underachiever. I wouldn't be shocked if Adams is in the late first round mix when all is said and done, but he has a lot of work to do at all-star games and workouts in the coming months because he isn't that highly regarded by scouts right now.
Thanks Scott :) your not wrong. I've been projecting him higher based on my belief that he will impress in the off season but if your going on his stock now early second is about right.
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Taze at 6? Huh? Am I missing something?

Burfict might be my favorite prospect in this draft but his stock is descending pretty significantly. His play had a notably dropped off this year as he wasn't even honorable mention All-Pac 12. I know you recognized it as a reach but 6th pick in the 2nd round seems far more likely at this point.

Some other picks here that seemed off but I'll let everyone else yell at you about those. :P
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Taze at 6? Huh? Am I missing something?

Burfict might be my favorite prospect in this draft but his stock is descending pretty significantly. His play had a notably dropped off this year as he wasn't even honorable mention All-Pac 12. I know you recognized it as a reach but 6th pick in the 2nd round seems far more likely at this point.

Some other picks here that seemed off but I'll let everyone else yell at you about those. :P
I will speak up on behalf of the Philly guys & myself. We are in dire need of a LB. Look at our roster & look at the value board and please tell me who do we select at #6, because no other position warrants any consideration for us that high. Scott is spot on for us especially that high, he wouldn't have gone wrong with Kuechly either, but I believe Burfict is spot on that high.
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Burfict might be my favorite prospect in this draft but his stock is descending pretty significantly. His play had a notably dropped off this year as he wasn't even honorable mention All-Pac 12. I know you recognized it as a reach but 6th pick in the 2nd round seems far more likely at this point.
Believe me, I knew having Burfict in the Top 10 was going to be a controversial projection. I am sure we will talk about it extensively on the podcast on Tuesday, but here is a quick synopsis on my feelings.

Burfict is a potentially elite talent at the inside linebacker position. More talented than Rolando McClain (#8 overall in 2010) and probably the best since Patrick Willis. Is he immature? Yes. Does he need to be coached up and learn to control his emotions? Absolutely. However, as I've said all along I would rather have to pull the reins because a guy is too aggressive than the other way around. It's not like Burfict is necessarily a bad person, he just let's his emotions get out of control. Ndamukong Suh might be the dirtiest player in the league and I am pretty sure every team in the league would love to have him on their roster. The other factor is that at this point in the process I can't really speak to Burfict's character. I know what I've seen on film, but I haven't talked to him or anyone who has. If once Burfict has some interviews with teams and I start getting bad reports about his character then I will probably start factoring that into the equation more but at this point I have no reason to believe there are any issues serious enough to torpedo his grade.

As I mentioned in the analysis of the mock, I fully understand Burfict is a reach as sixth overall. However, I legitimately think he is a top ten talent who has a shot to go in the top dozen picks to fifteen picks or so. Also, what would be a better fit for the Eagles?
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