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Old 12-20-2011, 10:36 AM    (permalink
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Default OSU ruling comes out this afternoon

3pm release. Doubt if too much is added on to what OSU already self-imposed.
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I've heard one more scholarship reduction (currently is 5 'ship reduction spread over the next 3 years) added to the self-imposed sanctions and a 3-5 year show cause for Jim Tressel....meaning they are pretty much sentence served with the player suspensions, forfeited games, paid-back bowl money, minor scholarship reductions, and loss of their head coach. most of the weight is gonna fall on Tressel in this case.
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Push that bowl ban to this gator bowl.

Osu needs to fire gene smith this afternoon.

Also, the NCAA just ****** itself. No school will self report and cooperate with an investigation. Osu did and got hammered.
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Osu needs to fire gene smith this afternoon.

Also, the NCAA just ****** itself. No school will self report and cooperate with an investigation. Osu did and got hammered.
Wait is this the actual result? I literally can't find anything listing this. As far as I was concerned they weren't even releasing until 3.
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Wait is this the actual result? I literally can't find anything listing this. As far as I was concerned they weren't even releasing until 3.
It was decided at 2, there was a press silence until 3 (yeah, like that lasted). Yes, that is the actual result.
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It was decided at 2, there was a press silence until 3 (yeah, like that lasted). Yes, that is the actual result.
Not that I'm doubting you but can you throw up a link of any kind? I'm searching like crazy but can't find anything... not on the NCAA site not on ESPN nowhere in any news outlets

EDIT: http://twitter.com/#!/SportsCenter/s...03557235703808

found one

Wow, the NCAA is ridiculous. I maintain that these infractions were relatively minor. I would like to see the report if anything else was found but if not then this is ludicrous.

Maybe I'm just being spiteful but considering Auburn payed a player to play amongst other violations around the league. In comparison this is small and isn't even close to the USC violations.

I wouldn't expect anyone to self report anytime soon if this is the "leniency" you get for opening up your books.
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Push that bowl ban to this gator bowl.

Osu needs to fire gene smith this afternoon.

Also, the NCAA just ****** itself. No school will self report and cooperate with an investigation. Osu did and got hammered.
Eh, it's not that bad. USC got worse for less players being involved. Would I rather the Bowl Ban be this year? Yes, Gene Smith blew it by not doing what Miami did, but this is fair in and of itself.
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Eh, it's not that bad. USC got worse for less players being involved. Would I rather the Bowl Ban be this year? Yes, Gene Smith blew it by not doing what Miami did, but this is fair in and of itself.
3 vs 5 and way worse violations. I still will be interested to read the report
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Eh, it's not that bad. USC got worse for less players being involved. Would I rather the Bowl Ban be this year? Yes, Gene Smith blew it by not doing what Miami did, but this is fair in and of itself.
You mean waiting until bowl season to hand down the ruling is fair? No it's assholic. Giving osu no time to make a decision this year. Being cooperative is a joke. USC had 32 major violations vs osu's five. Loic vs ftm. Don't mind the bowl ban but do it this season against the players that actually committed the violations.

And Rutgers fan go troll a thread in a sport that your school is relevant in.
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You mean waiting until bowl season to hand down the ruling is fair? No it's assholic. Giving osu no time to make a decision this year. Being cooperative is a joke. USC had 32 major violations vs osu's five. Loic vs ftm. Don't mind the bowl ban but do it this season against the players that actually committed the violations.

And Rutgers fan go troll a thread in a sport that your school is relevant in.
How was Miami able to make a decision without a ruling being handed down? Come on, I hoped Gene Smith was smart enough to know this was coming.
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Bout ******* time the NCAA hits someone outside of USC. I cant hope for stuff like this on any school because I know what it was like being an SC fan, but the NCAA needs to be way more consistent with their rulings.
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Bout ******* time the NCAA hits someone outside of USC. I cant hope for stuff like this on any school because I know what it was like being an SC fan, but the NCAA needs to be way more consistent with their rulings.
I don't think that you can even put this in the same breath as USC's violations and the school actually self reported a lot of the violations
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I don't think that you can even put this in the same breath as USC's violations and the school actually self reported a lot of the violations
So since you self reported it you should be let off with a slap on the wrist? Its just the fact that people have done some ****** up stuff since the USC incident and there has been a few schools that have gotten away with it. Im not saying this as a SC homer, I'm saying it as a college football fan...the NCAA needs to be a lot more consistent.
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So since you self reported it you should be let off with a slap on the wrist? Its just the fact that people have done some ****** up stuff since the USC incident and there has been a few schools that have gotten away with it. Im not saying this as a SC homer, I'm saying it as a college football fan...the NCAA needs to be a lot more consistent.
You are correct about the NCAA being a joke. It's horribly inconsistent.

OSU and USC aren't equivalents. I'm not saying one is better or worse than the other, they are two very different situations.

People need to stop with that. Far different levels of money. Different levels of third party involvement. And different level of school officials being involved.

After looking back, I am fine with a bowl ban, but it should have been this season. The NCAA dragged it's heels on this one to damage OSU further than the letter of their punishment. Oh well.

OSU isn't innocent, and I think there is a whole bunch more that didn't see the light of day that had nothing to do with JT. That would actually be quite a bit worse than USC.

Reading between the lines, it sounds like the mob was involved with some characters in this affair, including the booster that was the main reason that this was worsened. Bobby DeGeronimo refused to cooperate with the NCAA.

He was involved with "jobs" with the likes of Teddy Ginn, Troy Smith, and many others.

Bobby D and Edward Rife (the tat parlor drug dealer) refused to cooperate. With the rumors and allegations going around for years, it sounds like there may have been some point shaving going on. No one is talking. Nothing would surprise me at this point. Charles Robinson tweeted that Bobby D refused to talk because he fears for his life. And I doubt that has anything to do with Les Wexner.

Supposedly, the mob is involved at quite a few major schools. The rumors involve Auburn and Alabama. And allegedly others. There are federal investigations that tie this stuff together.

Who knows if they see the light of day, but these rumors started BEFORE Tatgate, which itself only came to the light of day due to a leak from a federal investigation.
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So since you self reported it you should be let off with a slap on the wrist? Its just the fact that people have done some ****** up stuff since the USC incident and there has been a few schools that have gotten away with it. Im not saying this as a SC homer, I'm saying it as a college football fan...the NCAA needs to be a lot more consistent.
I'm sorry man but as I said earlier: On a monetary scale, the sum of the infractions made by OSU players doesn't even come close to the smallest violation against USC (about $7,000 worth of long distance telephone calls made from an AD phone by a student athlete [female tennis player] IIRC).

After that minor violation you can throw on two more players who made multiple major violations to USC's rap sheet. So yea... it's not even close when compared to USC

End of the day I am not upset with the penalty as it really doesn't affect us as badly. I'm pissed at Smith and want his head on a platter. My only real problem with the punishment is the lack of consistency that the NCAA has shown over the last 5 years if not longer...
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I'm sorry man but as I said earlier: On a monetary scale, the sum of the infractions made by OSU players doesn't even come close to the smallest violation against USC (about $7,000 worth of long distance telephone calls made from an AD phone by a student athlete [female tennis player] IIRC).

After that minor violation you can throw on two more players who made multiple major violations to USC's rap sheet. So yea... it's not even close when compared to USC

End of the day I am not upset with the penalty as it really doesn't affect us as badly. I'm pissed at Smith and want his head on a platter. My only real problem with the punishment is the lack of consistency that the NCAA has shown over the last 5 years if not longer...
Exactly, you guys didnt get what we got. We got 2 years and what? 5 years of scholarship reductions. We lose 5 a year and can only have 75 players on our roster. But to think that you guys got it rough is comical.

Edit: we lost 30 scholarships, **** me
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I'm sorry man but as I said earlier: On a monetary scale, the sum of the infractions made by OSU players doesn't even come close to the smallest violation against USC (about $7,000 worth of long distance telephone calls made from an AD phone by a student athlete [female tennis player] IIRC).

After that minor violation you can throw on two more players who made multiple major violations to USC's rap sheet. So yea... it's not even close when compared to USC
The NCAA ruled that those self-reported phone calls by the tennis player was a "major" violation and it formed a significant basis for LOIC. SC actually argued that the calls were "minor," but the NCAA disagreed.

There is some serious inconsistency by the NCAA here and at the end of the day, it should not matter if you are an Ohio St. fan if all you care about is how it affects your football program. This changes nothing in terms of your status to remain a power house. Despite SC getting a leg chopped off, you can see that they continue to attract very talented players and all you can do it tip your hat to them. I know that Lane Kiffin has a reputation of being a good recruiter, but it goes without saying that he is no Urban Meyer.
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I don't even think the ruling is bad at all. Stop your bitching.

On edit: Shane agrees and beat me to it.
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From Yahoo's Charles Robinson:

"Key witness refused to cooperate w/ NCAA's Ohio State probe. Had he taken part, sanctions could have been far worse. OSU dodged a bullet. Witness was a civilian close to players."
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The only part of this that is BS is the Bowl ban for next season. There will be Freshman and Sophomores on this team that will be punished for things that didn't even happen when they were there. The Bowl ban should have been for this season. This is complete F'in BS!!!!
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But what about the freshmen this year who had nothing to do with it! Oh the horror! Bowl Ban is institutional punishment, not worried about the players. Gene Smith had his shot for a self-imposed Bowl ban and blew it. God helps us if he becomes Big Ten commissioner.

Also, OSU can't play in Big Ten Title game next year per Big Ten rules
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Also, OSU can't play in Big Ten Title game next year per Big Ten rules
That is the killer IMO. Likely bcs bowl and a b1g champ game.

Gene needs to be fired ASAP. And I'd like to burn down the NCAA hq. they ruled instantly on auburn. If they go light on south Carolina I am gonna lose it.
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But what about the freshmen this year who had nothing to do with it! Oh the horror! Bowl Ban is institutional punishment, not worried about the players.

Also, OSU can't play in Big Ten Title game next year per Big Ten rules
Gene Smith needs to be fired on the spot. He was a smug a-hole this whole time with his prediction that no bowl ban was going to be put on OSU. That man is dead to me. He should have put a bowl ban on OSU this year. I care more about future recruiting and this is really going to bite into our now top 5 class. How many kids decommit from this news that we just got to hop on board?
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