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Old 02-26-2012, 07:43 PM    (permalink
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The Washington Redskins have been rumored to be willing to offer as much as their #1, #2, and number #3 this year, and their #1 next year for the number #2 pick in this year's draft (from St. Louis), for the rights to select Robert Griffin III as their franchise quarterback. If this latest rumor is true then I think that my Browns are in deep doodoo. With Holmgren & Heckert being relatively new to Cleveland, I have no idea how they work or what their thinking could be. The 'Skins owner from what I understand is a gambler out to win. So where does that leave my Brownies?
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If the Skins are offering 1, 2, 3, and a future 1 for RG3, then I don't think you try to beat that offer. Go sign/trade for Matt Flynn or something, if you're the Browns.
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If the Skins are offering 1, 2, 3, and a future 1 for RG3, then I don't think you try to beat that offer. Go sign/trade for Matt Flynn or something, if you're the Browns.
I believe Flynn is destined for Miami and it's been in the cards since Philbin went there.
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I believe Flynn is destined for Miami and it's been in the cards since Philbin went there.
I think Peyton to Miami. Flynn to Cleveland Or Seattle.
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I think Peyton to Miami. Flynn to Cleveland Or Seattle.
I think Peyton Manning and the offense that Joe Philbin will be importing from Green Bay are just a terrible match.

You hire Philbin as your HC because you want to run Mike McCarthy's offense. You bring in Peyton Manning as your QB because you want to run Peyton Manning's offense. They're not especially compatible.
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I think Peyton Manning and the offense that Joe Philbin will be importing from Green Bay are just a terrible match.

You hire Philbin as your HC because you want to run Mike McCarthy's offense. You bring in Peyton Manning as your QB because you want to run Peyton Manning's offense. They're not especially compatible.
That's insulting to Peyton Manning. He can run any offensive co-ordinator's offense. I've seen the Colts spread people out just like GB does. He might be the smartest qb whomever played. And, he can't run Joe Philbin's offense?
Yeah, right.
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i think the browns would still be in fine position. Now, I'm no expert on the state of the Browns, but in this scenario they could opt to take Richardson or Blackmon, OR with Claiborne/Kalil there, have a large market to trade down...or pick one of them as Claiborne and Haden would be a ridiculous young and talented CB duo. Wouldn't take Kalil, but would have a good market for him. But again, there'd be a great market for both so the browns could indeed move down. They could also make a strong push for a guy like Matt Flynn in free agency. With picks 22 and 37, they also have a great chance to grab a WR with either of those in such a deep class and another position of need (I'm no expert on the Browns, not sure of their main needs outside of playmakers on O and an upgrade over McCoy). I still think they're in fine shape. As a giants fan, I'd die on the inside seeing RG3 a skin...but if they give up that much than jesus, that might be worth it
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It leaves us with Colt McCoy. Yeah, I'd like to have RGIII, but not at the cost of our entire draft. There's just not enough talent on this team to give up that much.
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It leaves us with Colt McCoy. Yeah, I'd like to have RGIII, but not at the cost of our entire draft. There's just not enough talent on this team to give up that much.

True. Too many other needs to have to give up that much. I'd think twice though if Indy would take that for Luck.
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The Washington Redskins have been rumored to be willing to offer as much as their #1, #2, and number #3 this year, and their #1 next year for the number #2 pick in this year's draft (from St. Louis), for the rights to select Robert Griffin III as their franchise quarterback. If this latest rumor is true then I think that my Browns are in deep doodoo. With Holmgren & Heckert being relatively new to Cleveland, I have no idea how they work or what their thinking could be. The 'Skins owner from what I understand is a gambler out to win. So where does that leave my Brownies?
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The source of this was Howard Eskin of WIP radio in Philadelphia on Sunday. (citing Redskins sources).
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Yeah, I think scotty hit it. Try to trade back a couple of picks and grab the best WR or maybe even a RT or RG and go after the WR at #22. Grab a Doug Martin/Lamar Miller at #37 and that's not a bad haul.
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Yeah, I think scotty hit it. Try to trade back a couple of picks and grab the best WR or maybe even a RT or RG and go after the WR at #22. Grab a Doug Martin/Lamar Miller at #37 and that's not a bad haul.
if you guys move back a bit and come out with something like:
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that's a damn good haul, with a few extra picks scattered in there
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I don't think there's any way they can go into next season with Colt McCoy as the starter... unless they draft one of the 2nd tier guys, and have him bridge the gap until the rook is up to speed.

If the Browns came out with

4. Richardson
22. Glenn (As RT to replace Pashos)
37. Tannehill/Osweiler

I think that would be solid.
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I don't think there's any way they can go into next season with Colt McCoy as the starter... unless they draft one of the 2nd tier guys, and have him bridge the gap until the rook is up to speed.

If the Browns came out with

4. Richardson
22. Glenn (As RT to replace Pashos)
37. Tannehill/Osweiler

I think that would be solid.
Meh, I disagree with your evaluation of Colt. I'm not saying he's a franchise guy or anything, just that he's not as bad as you make him out to be.

Also, I think we are polar opposites in our preference of draft prospects. I do not like your "draft."
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Meh, I disagree with your evaluation of Colt. I'm not saying he's a franchise guy or anything, just that he's not as bad as you make him out to be.

Also, I think we are polar opposites in our preference of draft prospects. I do not like your "draft."
If I was a Browns fan.. that draft definitely isn't the "sexy" type of draft that is going to get fans super excited, but it's realistic, and would fill big needs.

Richardson is going to be the best player there at #4. Now they could go in a different direction, but I don't see a OT or a WR there that will be worth the pick. And the D prospects there all have question marks with the exception of Claiborne. So if they don't move back I think Trent is the guy.

Glenn is a heck of a fooball player, who showed great athleticism for his size. He can play all across the OL, and profiles well as a RT in the pros. Pashos was awful last year when he played.

I'm not a huge fan of Tannehill or Osweiler, but I just don't see how the Browns can go into this season without some competition at the QB position. Obviously if they sign a FA this would change, but there's no way of knowing that.
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if you guys move back a bit and come out with something like:
Decastro
Floyd
and Miller/Martin

that's a damn good haul, with a few extra picks scattered in there
I would love that draft.

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if you guys move back a bit and come out with something like:
Decastro
Floyd
and Miller/Martin

that's a damn good haul, with a few extra picks scattered in there
This is what I'm thinking. If you're the Browns and that's the package you're having to compete with trying to trade for the pick, the value you're giving up seems to be greater than the difference between Colt McCoyand Robert Griffin. Griffin's waaaaaay sexier, but McCoy's a young QB still. He had a sophomore slump with Peyton Hillis failing to come close to replicating his success from the year before. This will be his make-or-break year. And remember, this is Mike Holmgren's project; he's got a good record of bringing in talent. If the Browns don't make a move for Griffin, they could still end up with something like Claiborne or a stud lineman, Malcolm Floyd and then another running back like you said, LaMar Miller or Doug Martin (...Turbin?) to compete with and/or spell Peyton Hillis. Then if Colt McCoy can't get it done with Greg Little and Malcolm Floyd on the outside and a couple of legit runners in the backfield (And who knows how good Montario Hardesty would be if he could stay healthy), THEN you go and draft a Matt Barkley or somebody, and your offense is already stacked and ready to go. Not to mention the possible Claiborne/Haden secondary you mentioned. Or maybe they even take Kuechly or something.
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This is what I'm thinking. If you're the Browns and that's the package you're having to compete with trying to trade for the pick, the value you're giving up seems to be greater than the difference between Colt McCoyand Robert Griffin. Griffin's waaaaaay sexier, but McCoy's a young QB still. He had a sophomore slump with Peyton Hillis failing to come close to replicating his success from the year before. This will be his make-or-break year. And remember, this is Mike Holmgren's project; he's got a good record of bringing in talent. If the Browns don't make a move for Griffin, they could still end up with something like Claiborne or a stud lineman, Malcolm Floyd and then another running back like you said, LaMar Miller or Doug Martin (...Turbin?) to compete with and/or spell Peyton Hillis. Then if Colt McCoy can't get it done with Greg Little and Malcolm Floyd on the outside and a couple of legit runners in the backfield (And who knows how good Montario Hardesty would be if he could stay healthy), THEN you go and draft a Matt Barkley or somebody, and your offense is already stacked and ready to go. Not to mention the possible Claiborne/Haden secondary you mentioned. Or maybe they even take Kuechly or something.
There is just one problem with this argument.

Colt McCoy is beyond terrible and needs upgraded immediately.

(And it's Michael Floyd)
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Old 02-27-2012, 06:23 PM    (permalink
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There is just one problem with this argument.

Colt McCoy is beyond terrible and needs upgraded immediately.

(And it's Michael Floyd)
He sure wasn't good last year, but Cleveland had problems throughout its offense. The running game fell apart and defenses didn't have to take it seriously, and his no. 1 wideout was a rookie, and a raw one at that. And you're talking about a second-year QB who doesn't have outstanding physical traits, but can make things happen with talent around him. I won't write off Colt yet, because I think he can have success in a team that's efficient and executes well. Kind of to the NFL what Kellen Moore was to college football. But I'll readily concede that if last year was what you're basing your opinion of Colt McCoy on, there's not a lot to be excited about.
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Dude isn't trolling. Skins beat reporters and team source 'insiders' have stated that Bruce Allen and the Rams have been in negotiations for the #2 picks for several weeks already and will have a deal in principle before FA starts.

The deal has to be untouchable to prevent late players from getting into the bidding and trumping the SKins offer.

I know my team's owner is a nutcase and believes more money and trading draft picks can buy happiness.
Does Cleveland or Miami's FO feel the same way?

Nothing confirmed, but as they say in the intelligence world, the internet chatter in Redskins land is deafening.

If we hear on draft day that the Rams have traded the #2 pick to the Skins, the deal was done months ago.

The only caveat is that there was the same chatter about the Cutler deal, until it came down to which QB was considered more valuable in a trade to Denver; Jason Campbell or Kyle Orton??

Danny won't get burned like he did on that last deal.
I hope.;)
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I'm surprised the Skins wouldn't go the Manning route first, or at least test the waters before offering this much.
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I'm surprised the Skins wouldn't go the Manning route first, or at least test the waters before offering this much.
This is the Redskins we're talking about though. Nothing should surprise anyone.
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