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Old 02-27-2012, 02:13 PM    (permalink
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Default Bold Prediction: Vontaze Burfict Goes Undrafted

Seriously.

Throughout the the past year, I could probably count on one hand how many sites have even had him ranked as a first round talent, with plenty pushing him into the 80s or 90s.

A hotheaded player with elite physical talent is a really boiled down description of what I've seen and heard it would seem.

But now, you take away the "elite" from "physical talent" with a pair of Brandon Spikes-level awful combine runs and you're left with a hot headed player whose "first instinct is to swing on a guy" and you're left with garbage.

One scout couldn't believe the ASU coaching staff kept the guy around.

So my bold prediction is that no one touches him. He goes undrafted and that is that.
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Completely agree.

He has NO talent. Someone tell me what he's good at....

NOTHING!

He's slow, cant cover, cant get off blocks, **** instincts and a terrible attitude.
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Completely agree.

He has NO talent. Someone tell me what he's good at....

NOTHING!

He's slow, cant cover, cant get off blocks, **** instincts and a terrible attitude.
Watch the pop he makes on contact/at the POA.


He'll be drafted, no doubt. 3rd-4th.
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Watch the pop he makes on contact/at the POA.


He'll be drafted, no doubt. 3rd-4th.
So he can hit hard? Find a random guy of the street that doesnt know the rules of football, but can hit hard and you'll have Vontaze Burfict.
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So he can hit hard? Find a random guy of the street that doesnt know the rules of football, but can hit hard and you'll have Vontaze Burfict.
Find a "random guy off the street" who has the first step Burfict has, along with his pop. You won't be able too. He's definitely a flawed prospect, but to say he's NOTHING, as you did, is just absurd.
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Find a "random guy off the street" who has the first step Burfict has, along with his pop. You won't be able too. He's definitely a flawed prospect, but to say he's NOTHING, as you did, is just absurd.
Find a "single player in this draft" who has the pop Burfict does.
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Watch the pop he makes on contact/at the POA.


He'll be drafted, no doubt. 3rd-4th.
What's what I think. Someone will roll the dice in the 3-4 range.
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he is pretty good at watching from the sideline...

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I'm starting to wonder what the hype was too. I caught few Arizona State games last year and really looked hard at him and couldn't figure it out. I thought maybe I just caught some bad games by him (I believe one he got benched after 2 personal foul penalties...)

Now I'm just done with him. Off my draft board he would go.
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It's disappointing because the guy has major talent, but his aggressiveness is his downfall.

I never thought he was the kind of athlete some made him out to be. He explodes through his tackles with such verosity it makes him look faster than he is getting to the ball carrier, but I never saw the sideline to sideline fluidity needed.

He also lacks discipline and can get beaten with play action.

Before the season he was a risky prospect IMO and then it has just gone down hill. There's also the rumours that he absolutely bombed the interviews this week.

Some team may take a late round flyer on him but he's not a player I would want
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It's disappointing because the guy has major talent, but his aggressiveness is his downfall.

I never thought he was the kind of athlete some made him out to be. He explodes through his tackles with such verosity it makes him look faster than he is getting to the ball carrier, but I never saw the sideline to sideline fluidity needed.

He also lacks gap discipline and can get beaten with play action.

Before the season he was a risky prospect IMO and then it has just gone down hill. There's also the rumours that he absolutely bombed the interviews this week.

Some team may take a late round plyer on him but he's not a player I would want
A link to those is in one of the links in my first post. That is where the "my first instinct is to swing at a guy" comment came from.

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"You just scratch your head at some of the knucklehead things he does on tape," said one NFL coach. "It was the same thing over and over and over again with him. He seemed to personify why that team always seemed to underachieve."
Ouch.
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A link to those is in one of the links in my first post. That is where the "my first instinct is to swing at a guy" comment came from.

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Ouch.
Yeah im in work and can't open the link but it has been reported by a few people.

Throughout the last two years some teams (USC especially) basically went after him to piss him off and get a personal foul. That's inexcusable. It's bad enough giving away stupid penalties but when you get a reputation for it and still do it then you're just killing your team.
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Yeah im in work and can't open the link but it has been reported by a few people.

Throughout the last two years some teams (USC especially) basically went after him to piss him off and get a personal foul. That's inexcusable. It's bad enough giving away stupid penalties but when you get a reputation for it and still do it then you're just killing your team.
And NFL teams will do that too, no doubt. Like the Packers untying Suh's shoes after every play. They got under his skin and we all know the rest of the story.

When team know they can get a free 15 yards out of you, they'll go after you.
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I'm pretty confident in Taze being drafted, but it won't be until laaaate.
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He's a headcase. Psychologically fragile. Reminds me a lot of Maurice Clarett.
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He'll be drafted, but it will be very late. If I had to make a guess, I'd say 5th round to Detroit. They seem to like having assholes on their defense.
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He has a chance to improve a bit at his pro day, but man, it doesn't look good.
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I like how Burfict gets through traffic and I see more explosion on film than the 40, I will be interested to see the shuttle and 3 cone times, maybe they will be better.

That being said, he has never been my top LB and more of a late 1st option. I still think he is worth a pick, a Day 2 pick even because he does pretty well in coverage, can get through coverage, and lays the lumber.
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But BB look!



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You know though....he does seem to be a Bengals type of player. And don't they have two firsts? Hmmm....
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Im fully aware that a Jenkins/Burfict first round only makes too much sense....
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Im fully aware that a Jenkins/Burfict first round only makes too much sense....
That would be funny.
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Watch the pop he makes on contact/at the POA.


He'll be drafted, no doubt. 3rd-4th.
He's going to get drafted to be a violent hitter in the middle of the field, not a rangy, fluid defensive signal caller who's going to have a defense revolve around him. He's certainly not Kuechly. That debate's been put to rest.

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So he can hit hard? Find a random guy of the street that doesnt know the rules of football, but can hit hard and you'll have Vontaze Burfict.
You might as well be saying, "Well, any guy on the street who hits harder than most people in college football could play in the NFL."

Which is both almost true, and a pretty profound underestimation of Burfict's athleticism. I'm not even a huge fan of him, but this is people having a huge overreaction to the combine. All the people who didn't like him going into it get to hold up a slow 40 time as evidence that... he shouldn't be drafted? That's just silly. Burfict's not fast, but he's got great size, has no fear, and stops people when he hits them. That is precisely what you want crashing into an offense from the middle of your defense.

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I like how Burfict gets through traffic and I see more explosion on film than the 40, I will be interested to see the shuttle and 3 cone times, maybe they will be better.

That being said, he has never been my top LB and more of a late 1st option. I still think he is worth a pick, a Day 2 pick even because he does pretty well in coverage, can get through coverage, and lays the lumber.
Running 4.9 instead of 4.6 combined with bad interviews probably did drop him a few rounds, but I'd still be somewhat surprised to see him make it past the 4th. Brandon Spikes ran a 5.00, had a vertical jump under 30 inches, tried to poke somebody's eyeball and still went in the second while never having the hype Burfict did. He isn't nearly the head case, but they're pretty similar players. I think Burfict's more naturally talented, so even with the character stuff I think there's going to be a number of teams that take a chance on that in the mid rounds. He's absolutely not going to go undrafted.
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He's absolutely not going to go undrafted.
I try to shy away from the "absolutely" word in the NFL Draft. Can make you look bad later, haha.

I do feel like there may be some revisionist history going on with Burfict's on the field play in this thread because he tested poorly however.
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