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Old 03-09-2012, 11:40 AM    (permalink
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Default What's Up with All the Tannihill Love on NFL Network?

When I look at Luck and Griffin who both went to unsuccessful college programs and turned them around and then examine Tannihill's production, he just doesn't seem like that solid of a prospect.

Yet on NFL Network, some have him going as high as #4 to Cleveland in the draft or #6 to Washington or #8 to Miami. They say he is a sure fire top 10 pick?????

He cannot workout in the post season because of surgery, yet he seems to be climbing more everyday. I know teams are desperate to fill the need at QB but if he couldn't turn Texas A&M around, how is he going to turn a NFL franchise around?????

Could this be the most over hyped prospect of all time. It is sure going to be interesting following his pro career.
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I've been wondering why there has been such a lack of hype for a quarterback who is going to be selected in the top dozen picks. Could go #4, #6, #8 or #12.
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I've been wondering why there has been such a lack of hype for a quarterback who is going to be selected in the top dozen picks. Could go #4, #6, #8 or #12.
He was a mediocre to crappy QB at A&M.

He will be an entirely mediocre to crappy QB in the NFL.
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He was a mediocre to crappy QB at A&M.

He will be an entirely mediocre to crappy QB in the NFL.
I think he is way over hyped but I wouldn't totally write off his career just yet.
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He hasn't played QB very long, but there is a LOT to like there, and a LOT of potential upside.

Write him off if you want, but that would be a mistake.
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One QB does not turn a program around in 1.5 years. Especially with an awful head coach going up against RG3, Stoops, Brown, and Gundy.
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One QB does not turn a program around in 1.5 years. Especially with an awful head coach going up against RG3, Stoops, Brown, and Gundy.
RG111 came to a program that was as far behind Texas A&M as you can get, yet he turned Baylor around. Tannihill didn't and it raises red flags for me.
IMO, Stoops and Brown are great recruiters but hardly great HC's, who rely almost entirely on superior talent to win. Oklahoma St. easily passed them once they got their talent base up to snuff and Baylor could eventually match or pass them as well. Again, Texas A&M failed under Tannihill's leadership, WHY????
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RG111 came to a program that was as far behind Texas A&M as you can get, yet he turned Baylor around. Tannihill didn't and it raises red flags for me.
IMO, Stoops and Brown are great recruiters but hardly great HC's, who rely almost entirely on superior talent to win. Oklahoma St. easily passed them once they got their talent base up to snuff and Baylor could eventually match or pass them as well. Again, Texas A&M failed under Tannihill's leadership, WHY????
RG3 did that in 4 years on campus. Again, Tannehill switched to QB in 2010 in the middle of the season.

If you want to criticize him based on Texas A&M's lack of team success, the only decent argument is this season (which was his first full year of playing QB).

You can't criticize his inability to build a program. He was the QB for one offseason and one season. Come on.
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RG111 came to a program that was as far behind Texas A&M as you can get, yet he turned Baylor around. Tannihill didn't and it raises red flags for me.
IMO, Stoops and Brown are great recruiters but hardly great HC's, who rely almost entirely on superior talent to win. Oklahoma St. easily passed them once they got their talent base up to snuff and Baylor could eventually match or pass them as well. Again, Texas A&M failed under Tannihill's leadership, WHY????
You can't blame him for A&M's lack of success. They were forced to move him to qb in 2010 because the starter sucked. Look at the points allowed in their losses; 30, 42, 38, 41 and 53. Lost to Texas on a last second fg 27-25 after leading aggies to go-ahead drive. You have to look at players individually. Not as part of a teams success/failure.

I don't think he's a great prospect. Too raw to evaluate right now. But, Gil Brandt has him at nr. 7 and he made a pretty good living drafting players.
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Last year proved that if there's a qb with a chance to be a starter, you have to go with him. Too many good qbs slipping in the draft for years before that because of other needs. But with the changes that have been made to the rules, that starting qb becomes much more vital a cog. Watching Rogers and some other #2 qbs being drafted in the high teens and 20's, no one wants to pass on the qb who could be a star. Also, with the new rookie wage scale, its a lot less costly to cut a qb project as a loser after 3 years, rather than have a huge rookie contract to eat.
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You'd think that people would learn from the Gabbert disaster of last year.
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You'd think that people would learn from the Gabbert disaster of last year.
Yes because they are the exact same prospect. Because the NFL draft always repeats itself. It's so easy to analyze, especially QBs, because same conference, similar stats, physical attritubes, and similar internet progression up imaginary, inconsequential internet boards means SAME RESULT.

Just ignore all the circumstances and do not, for ANY reason actually analyze the individual player - his tools, his skills, his strengths, his weaknesses, his demeanor, his intangibles, and his film.

Instead, hold on to one or two similarities that he's had with a bust, make that comparison, and hope he sucks also.

I've watched them both. Tannehill's better. He's got more moxie. And he doesn't have what's been Gabbert's #1 problem - the propensity to be a little ***** in the face of the pass rush.
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Yes because they are the exact same prospect. Because the NFL draft always repeats itself. It's so easy to analyze, especially QBs, because same conference, similar stats, physical attritubes, and similar internet progression up imaginary, inconsequential internet boards means SAME RESULT.

Just ignore all the circumstances and do not, for ANY reason actually analyze the individual player - his tools, his skills, his strengths, his weaknesses, his demeanor, his intangibles, and his film.

Instead, hold on to one or two similarities that he's had with a bust, make that comparison, and hope he sucks also.

I've watched them both. Tannehill's better. He's got more moxie. And he doesn't have what's been Gabbert's #1 problem - the propensity to be a little ***** in the face of the pass rush.
You say all of that and then say he's got more moxie??!?! LOL, that just killed a reasoned takedown of his post.

The kid is raw, is inaccurate, and makes a ton of mental mistakes. He is nowhere near ready to play in the NFL. He will be eaten alive. Maybe in three or four years with a good QB coach he will be ready. No way can he step on a field in 6 months and do well.
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You'd think that people would learn from the Gabbert disaster of last year.
This is what people do. Someone says they don't like a prospect for x reason, and then someone comes out of left field with something as ridiculous as this.

He is not Blaine Gabbert. He won't be Blaine Gabbert. After a year he's so far ahead of Blaine Gabbert that it's ridiculous.
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This is what people do. Someone says they don't like a prospect for x reason, and then someone comes out of left field with something as ridiculous as this.

He is not Blaine Gabbert. He won't be Blaine Gabbert. After a year he's so far ahead of Blaine Gabbert that it's ridiculous.
The infatuation of some NFL people with Gabbert also shows just how wrong those people can be. They panic and reach for crappy QBs.
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This is what people do. Someone says they don't like a prospect for x reason, and then someone comes out of left field with something as ridiculous as this.

He is not Blaine Gabbert. He won't be Blaine Gabbert. After a year he's so far ahead of Blaine Gabbert that it's ridiculous.
Raw QB that cant even win in college playing for a good program being propped up by his "upside" and "physical tools". I wasn't saying that he is exactly Gabbert; but if you cant see the huge red-flags there then I dont know what to say.

Blew a 17-point halftime lead against Arkansas this season and lost.
Blew a 17-point halftime lead against Oklahoma State this season and lost.
Blew an 11-point halftime lead against Missouri this season and lost.
Blew a 9-point halftime lead against an average Texas team this season and lost.

That sounds like a Top 10 QB to me. /sarcasm
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Raw QB that cant even win in college playing for a good program being propped up by his "upside" and "physical tools". I wasn't saying that he is exactly Gabbert; but if you cant see the huge red-flags there then I dont know what to say.

Blew a 17-point halftime lead against Arkansas this season and lost.
Blew a 17-point halftime lead against Oklahoma State this season and lost.
Blew an 11-point halftime lead against Missouri this season and lost.
Blew a 9-point halftime lead against an average Texas team this season and lost.

That sounds like a Top 10 QB to me. /sarcasm
I guess he can't cover or tackle well/sarcasm
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I guess he can't cover or tackle well/sarcasm
Offense scored 3 second half points against Arkansas.
Offense scored 3 second half points against Missouri.
Offense scored 9 second half points against Oklahoma State.
Offense scored 9 second half points against Texas.
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Raw QB that cant even win in college playing for a good program being propped up by his "upside" and "physical tools". I wasn't saying that he is exactly Gabbert; but if you cant see the huge red-flags there then I dont know what to say.

Blew a 17-point halftime lead against Arkansas this season and lost.
Blew a 17-point halftime lead against Oklahoma State this season and lost.
Blew an 11-point halftime lead against Missouri this season and lost.
Blew a 9-point halftime lead against an average Texas team this season and lost.

That sounds like a Top 10 QB to me. /sarcasm
How did a QB blow 17,17,11 and 9 point leads? Just curious...
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Raw QB that cant even win in college playing for a good program being propped up by his "upside" and "physical tools". I wasn't saying that he is exactly Gabbert; but if you cant see the huge red-flags there then I dont know what to say.

Blew a 17-point halftime lead against Arkansas this season and lost.
Blew a 17-point halftime lead against Oklahoma State this season and lost.
Blew an 11-point halftime lead against Missouri this season and lost.
Blew a 9-point halftime lead against an average Texas team this season and lost.

That sounds like a Top 10 QB to me. /sarcasm
I do see the red flags. But it's important to evaluate prospects individually, even if they share similar red flags. We lump guys together too often for no reason other than laziness and to have something to compare. But the NFL draft is an art, not a science and if the two players both bust it will be correlation - NOT causation because of Big12, upside, arm strength, red flags.

And Gabbert's WORST red flags were inability to deal with pressure and lack of intangibles which Tannehill HAS.

I'm not even a huge Tannehill fan. I think he could definitely bust (I don't like his inconsistent accuracy). But some team is going to take him high and he's a better (and different) prospect than Gabbert.

Most importantly, he's unique. And his evaluation should come from game film and interview/character reviews, not baseless comparisons to past prospects from the same conference. Judge the player, not the internet progression up the draft board.
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I do see the red flags. But it's important to evaluate prospects individually, even if they share similar red flags. We lump guys together too often for no reason other than laziness and to have something to compare. But the NFL draft is an art, not a science and if the two players both bust it will be correlation - NOT causation because of Big12, upside, arm strength, red flags.

And Gabbert's WORST red flags were inability to deal with pressure and lack of intangibles which Tannehill HAS.

I'm not even a huge Tannehill fan. I think he could definitely bust (I don't like his inconsistent accuracy). But some team is going to take him high and he's a better (and different) prospect than Gabbert.

Most importantly, he's unique. And his evaluation should come from game film and interview/character reviews, not baseless comparisons to past prospects from the same conference. Judge the player, not the internet progression up the draft board.
This is a fair and reasoned stance. I dig it.
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And Gabbert's WORST red flags were inability to deal with pressure and lack of intangibles which Tannehill HAS.
I've said this before, and it's worth bringing up again - People are saying he's like Gabbert because both are considered "high-upside" guys who have a lot of physical ability. But because Gabbert looked awful last year, people are looking at this years' version of the athletic, high-upside guy and saying, "Well, it didn't work last year. Tannehill isn't a first-round quarterback. Gabbert sucked."

But if you're saying that, you're completely forgetting about how many people last year insisted that Gabbert's reaction to pressure (real or imaginary, even) was TERRIBLE, and most of the people who made that point take composure to be a critical trait of NFL QBs. You can have all the athleticism in the world, but if you don't have composure you can't play in the NFL. I've written from my very first posts on Tannehill that he's got serious toughness in the pocket and doesn't wilt under pressure. That's something a QB MUST be able to do, and when you combine that with his athleticism, then you're looking at an NFL QB. No prospect can ever be projected to the NFL with certainty, but if you've got a great skillset, great poise and intelligence, I'm going to take the one full season the guy had a starter, take with it the grain of salt that it was his first season playing D-1 QB, and say, "This guy has some serious potential." Where with Gabbert, you just found yourself saying, "Well, sure, he's 6'5" or whatever and can run and has a strong arm, but he's a total ******* ***** (<--- censor hint: they mew)."

If there's a prospect people want to compare to Gabbert this year, don't be lazy and just try to find an athletic yet unpolished QB. If it's anyone, it's Dontari Poe.
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And although Tannehill's Aggies didn't rise to National prominence, their season was fairly successful (again, with a ******** coach).

They only lost one game to an unranked team, and he threw six TDs against the Baylor squad your boy RG3 built up so well.

I just don't think that "building up your college program" is something NFL evaluators care at all about. Especially in the case of Tanny, who, again, had one offseason and one season as the guy.
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and he threw six TDs against the Baylor squad your boy RG3 built up so well.
Pretty sure Griffin doesn't play defense. Baylor is an offensive team; I put zero value in Tannihill lighting their defense up. Who didn't score on Baylor this year? Baylor's defensive rankings this year?

102 rushing defense
102 pass efficiency defense
116 total defense
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IE: you're looking at one of the absolute worst defenses in the country.
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Pretty sure Griffin doesn't play defense. Baylor is an offensive team; I put zero value in Tannihill lighting their defense up. Who didn't score on Baylor this year? Baylor's defensive rankings this year?

102 rushing defense
102 pass efficiency defense
116 total defense
113 scoring defense

IE: you're looking at one of the absolute worst defenses in the country.
His argument is that Tanny didn't build up a program but RG3 did. It doesn't go deeper than the result of when the two teams met this year.

I know Baylor's D sucked but it sounds a little biased to put ZERO value in a conference game. I find it important to evaluate performance in all games, especially with QBs. This is evidence that he can tear up bad defenses, which, last I checked, is something NFL QBs need to do. And that's just on the surface, when you watch the game you see his arm strength, accuracy, footwork, intangibles. But that doesn't matter because Baylor sucks.
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