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Old 03-23-2012, 06:23 AM    (permalink
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If Tebow goes basically for a 4th, after his body of work... What would Gabbert get? People have been talking about Tebow being in Jacksonville, and it makes me wonder how much Jacksonville could get for their quarterback after a really, really unimpressive rookie season.
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Nothing more than a 5th or 6th rounder at best after Gabberts horrific season.
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He can get well more than a 5th or 6th. The guy may have played like crap but was a consensus 1-2 rounder in the draft last year.

I am willing to bet he would fetch a 3rd at minimum.
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Gabbert would fetch at least a 4th round pick and maybe even a 3rd rounder.
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I dont understand why Jacksonville didnt offer Gabbert for Tebow.
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Bratkowski praised Gabbert's "arm talent," but emphasized that he must slow his drops and stand taller in the pocket. The coaches also want to eliminate a hop and long step at the end of Gabbert's drop. Bratkowski and Olson have their hands full in also eliminating Gabbert's tendency to panic at the slightest sense of pressure.
SO you have two morons trying to coach up a scared QB who is afraid of pressure? As a Bucs fan, I just laugh at any news including Greg Olson and his responsibility to develop any QB. He sucked as an OC in Tampa, St. Louis, and San Fransisco and never did squat. I'm surprised he even got another look in the NFL.
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SO you have two morons trying to coach up a scared QB who is afraid of pressure? As a Bucs fan, I just laugh at any news including Greg Olson and his responsibility to develop any QB. He sucked as an OC in Tampa, St. Louis, and San Fransisco and never did squat. I'm surprised he even got another look in the NFL.
You can be a horrible OC and still be a good QB coach. That's not unusual or rare.

...and I thought he made Josh Freeman the EMVEEPEEZ?
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So they think he sucks.
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You can be a horrible OC and still be a good QB coach. That's not unusual or rare.

...and I thought he made Josh Freeman the EMVEEPEEZ?
Freeman played better when he took control of the offense and playcalling.

Olson was never a good QBs coach either though, that's my point.
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I'd be willing to invest a 2nd Round pick in him. Worth the risk -- the risk being that he might not ever get over his issue with feeling a phantom pass rush every time he drops back. He's an elite QB prospect.

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That's a fairly crippling issue, even if everybody has known about it since the dawn of time.

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I'd be willing to invest a 2nd Round pick in him. Worth the risk -- the risk being that he might not ever get over his issue with feeling a phantom pass rush every time he drops back. He's an elite QB prospect.

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no, hes not...and he wasnt this time last year either
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Boom. He's never been elite. He's never been close, in fact. If anything, spending all last year starting in Jax only exacerbated the problems he had in college...Happy feet in the pocket, poor accuracy, an inability to read a defense, being an enormous *****, etc.
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Yeah, he was. People were in error to put him above the other three elite QB prospects from 2011, but his tools and intangibles were still in the elite category. He just had the problem that he still has and wasn't a guy that would be ready to start from Day 1. He's still the same prospect he was last year. I haven't seen anything from him that wasn't in line with my thoughts on him before the draft last year.
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Yeah, he was. People were in error to put him above the other three elite QB prospects from 2011, but his tools and intangibles were still in the elite category. He just had the problem that he still has and wasn't a guy that would be ready to start from Day 1. He's still the same prospect he was last year. I haven't seen anything from him that wasn't in line with my thoughts on him before the draft last year.
Other three elite QB prospects? What in God's name is your definition of "elite?"

The only QB from the 2011 draft that was close to being elite would be Cam Newton, and that's after using a lot of revisionist history since many thought he was an entitled punk who might struggle to transition to a pro style offense while also adjusting to the speed of the NFL. A lot of people thought Locker was a mid-to-late 1st RD QB prospect (he was never ever dropping out of the first, so the talk of him going in the 2nd RD was silly). And when the Vikings took Ponder, damn near everyone thought it was a panic move since Ponder was seen as a early 2nd RD pick who had a chance to slip into the late 1st if a team needing a QB trading back into the 1st for him. No one saw him going at 12th overall.

Gabbert wasn't elite either, mainly because he came out a year earlier than he should have. When a Titans fan asked me what the big deal with Gabbert was, I told him that had Gabbert stayed in school and fixed his flaws like pocket awareness and decision making, then there's a chance he'd become a 1st overall caliber QB. He had the potential to be an elite prospect, so taking him this year at picks 5-12 would be a value should he continue to improve. But the guy never improved, and Jacksonville is partially to blame considering they threw out a guy with a track record of being scared in the pocket into the fire with absolutely zero help around him aside from MoJo Drew.

And drafted players are like new cars. Once they leave the lot, their value plummets. It is a horrible reflection of a player if he's being shopped a year after he's drafted. A QB desperate team is wanting to unload the QB they picked in the 1st RD (and even traded up for) just a year ago, and you want to send them a premium pick?

As for me, I don't think Gabbert is hopeless. When it looked like he wanted to make throws and got in into a rhythm for a fraction of a drive, he looked good with his accuracy and velocity. And he seems like an intelligent guy, so I'm not one to count him out. Especially since his #1 WR was...Mike Thomas? But the odds he'll suddenly develop the toughness to not only make plays but display leadership to teammates are extremely slim. You can be the best sharp shooter in the world, but if you hit the deck whenever somebody sneezes, no soldier's gonna want you watching his back and no commander will feel comfortable putting responsibility on your shoulders. And that's without getting into the basics of any decision making, accuracy, or coverage recognition flaws he may still have.

As for trade value...ugh. 4th RD'er if I'm Belichick or Andy Reid. Make him look good in a few games over a span of two years, and trade him for an improved pick (And I mainly say 4th RD'er because I think Jacksonville would rather sit on him rather than accept a 5th). Anyone else, just look elsewhere.
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I wasn't in love with any of the QB's, and I think you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who was. They all had questions. Major questions. Still, I wasn't really overly critical or complimentary of any one of them though.
I agree. It's outlandish to think that there were four "elite" QB prospects last year. In almost 20 years of following the draft, '99 and '04 are the only drafts I can recall that had even three elite prospects at the QB position (in the case of 1999, that's become a bit of a case study for me, in how to not be fooled by QB prospects). 2011 doesn't even come close.

Of the guys in the 2011 draft, I agree that they all had major question marks. I liked Dalton the most, and I'd have used a mid-first on him. Mentally, he had the skillset that you look for (a "less-good" version of Luck might be a solid comparison).

I actually fell in love with Newton, but I immediately downgrade one-year starters, on the grounds that there just isn't enough game-tape to know that they didn't have a few fluke performances; or enough time to know that being a BMOC isn't going to kill their work ethic. I also wasn't sold on his character. Newton looks really legit, though.

Locker reminded me a lot of Brett Favre, and that's usually a very bad thing. He had the physical tools and he had proven that he could process information quick enough to make it in the NFL, but I had reservations about his accuracy and I thought his reads were inconsistent. I was actually pretty confident that Locker would bust, but he's doing his best to make me look like an idiot.

I don't think that much needs to be said about Mallett. The rumors involving blow, and being a douche, cost him a lot of money. Now he's going to spend a few years holding a clipboard for Tom Brady.

In Gabbert's case, you have a guy with good size, great athletic ability, and plenty of arm strength; but he had no pocket presence, couldn't really read a defense, and his accuracy was iffy. Do you guys know what we call that type of prospect? A developmental prospect.

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They could still get a 1st or 2nd for him, there's a reason he fell to the pick he did though, teams weren't as high on him as some around these boards were (I wasn't one of them, but many loved him)

I think someone would be willing to trade a late first for him or early second depending on where they are drafting. QB values are going up, we're seeing things revert back to the days when teams could afford to draft QBs and sit them.
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They could still get a 1st or 2nd for him, there's a reason he fell to the pick he did though, teams weren't as high on him as some around these boards were (I wasn't one of them, but many loved him)

I think someone would be willing to trade a late first for him or early second depending on where they are drafting. QB values are going up, we're seeing things revert back to the days when teams could afford to draft QBs and sit them.
Nobody is giving a 1st or 2nd.
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i never saw the top 10 hype, i didnt even really see the first round hype but i did see that he had potential so ok ill bite on that, but he was still a far cry from elite as a prospect even if the potential was there. people throw around the term elite like nothing

no one wants to be known as "this years blaine gabbert" lol
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Probably a 4th.
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