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Old 05-23-2012, 01:39 PM    (permalink) 
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Looking at the Predict Top 5 in 2013 Draft, I went back to the history, and there seems to be a correlation between the team and their leading passer:

2012: Indianapolis Colts - Curtis Painter

2011: Carolina Panthers - Jimmy Clausen

2010: St. Louis Rams - Marc Bulger

2009: Detroit Lions - Dan Orlovsky

2008: Miami Dolphins - Cleo Lemon

2007: Oakland Raiders - Andrew Walter

2006: Houston Texans - David Carr

2005: San Francisco 49ers - Tim Rattay


Obviously QB play just keeps being more and more important, but perhaps the way to "predict" the Top 5 next year is to investigate:

1. Who has the worst starting QBs in the NFL

2. Who has the worst BACK-UP. We saw this last year with the Peyton injury, and if a starter goes down, which teams are in danger of tanking?
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Cleveland, Oakland, Jacksonville, Arizona, and Seattle would be the 5 teams based on this premise with Jacksonville being the runaway front runner for the 1st pick in the draft.
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I'd rank them in terms of awfulness:

1. Cleveland- Brandon Weeden-Colt McCoy-Seneca Wallace

2. Jacksonville- Blaine Gabbert-Chad Henne-Jordan Palmer

3. Arizona Cardinals- Kevin Kolb-John Skelton-Richard Bartel
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Kansas City has Matt Cassel, Brady Quinn, Ricky Stanzi.

That is a pretty awful group of QBs.
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They would have been next on my list
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I didn't want Weeden but he's got to be better than Blaine Gabbert. I'd put Cleveland third behind the Jags and Cardinals, with the Chiefs hitting somewhere in the top 5.
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Rank The starters My opinion most are close and in the same tier

32. Jags - Gabbert
31. Browns - Weeden
30. Phins - Tannehill? Moore?
29. Jets - Sanchez/Tebow
28. Raiders - Palmer
27. Cardinals - Skelton/Kolb
26. Seattle Seahawks - Flynn
25. Kansas City - Cassel
24. Min - Ponder
23. TB - Josh Freeman
22. SF - Alex Smith
21. StL - Sam Bradford
20. Cin - Andy Dalton
19. Buf - Ryan Fitzpatrick
18. Was - Robert Griffin
17. Ind - Andrew Luck
16. Ten - Hasselbeck / Locker
15. Bal - Joe Flacco
14. Chi - Jay Cutler
13. Dal - Tony Romo
12. ATL - Matt Ryan
11. S.D. - Philip Rivers
10. Houston - Schaub
9. Philly - Vick
8. Carolina - Cam
7. Detroit - Stafford
6. NYG - Manning
5. Pittsburgh - Ben
4. Denver - Manning
3. Green Bay - Rogers
2. New Orleans - Brees
1. New Englad - Brady
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Rank The starters My opinion most are close and in the same tier

32. Jags - Gabbert
31. Browns - Weeden
30. Phins - Tannehill? Moore?
29. Jets - Sanchez/Tebow
28. Raiders - Palmer
27. Cardinals - Skelton/Kolb
26. Seattle Seahawks - Flynn
25. Kansas City - Cassel
24. Min - Ponder
23. TB - Josh Freeman
22. SF - Alex Smith
21. StL - Sam Bradford
20. Cin - Andy Dalton
19. Buf - Ryan Fitzpatrick
18. Was - Robert Griffin
17. Ind - Andrew Luck
16. Ten - Hasselbeck / Locker
15. Bal - Joe Flacco
14. Chi - Jay Cutler
13. Dal - Tony Romo
12. ATL - Matt Ryan
11. S.D. - Philip Rivers
10. Houston - Schaub
9. Philly - Vick
8. Carolina - Cam
7. Detroit - Stafford
6. NYG - Manning
5. Pittsburgh - Ben
4. Denver - Manning
3. Green Bay - Rogers
2. New Orleans - Brees
1. New Englad - Brady
Are you kidding me? I'd take Palmer over Skelton, Kolb, Flynn, Ponder, Freeman, and Bradford any day.
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Are you kidding me? I'd take Palmer over Skelton, Kolb, Flynn, Ponder, Freeman, and Bradford any day.
No way. Palmer is awful. His arm is shot.

I'd take Ponder, Flynn, Freeman, Bradford over him easily, I wouldn't even think twice about it.

Skelton and Kolb? I'd have to think about it. Palmer really is an awful qb.
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No way. Palmer is awful. His arm is shot.

I'd take Ponder, Flynn, Freeman, Bradford over him easily, I wouldn't even think twice about it.

Skelton and Kolb? I'd have to think about it. Palmer really is an awful qb.
Palmer's shot arm is stronger than Ponder's and Bradford's and more accurate on long throws. Ponder's young and already has problems with his arm too, and I actually like Ponder.
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For me the worst starting qbs right now would probably be:

Gabbert
Kolb
Weeden (most unknown)
Ponder
Matt Moore
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Rank the Backups at least thus far


17. SD - Touchdown Jesus
16. SF - Colin Kaepernick
15. Sea - Jackson/Wilson
14. Jets - Tim Tebow
13. Ind - Drew Stanton
12. Detroit - Shaun Hill
11. Min - Joe Webb
10. Buffalo - Vince Young
9. Houston - TJ Yates
8. Redskins - Rex Grossman/Cousins
7. Browns - McCoy
6. Cards - Skelton/Kolb
5. Miami - Matt Moore
5. Cowboys -Kyle Orton
4. Bears - Jason Campbell
3. Jags - Chad Henne
2. New Englad - Mallett / Hoyer
1. Titans - Hasselbeck/ Locker
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OK then...

1. Chiefs - Cassel - Quinn - Stanzi
2. Browns - McCoy - Weeden* - Wallace
3. Vikings - Ponder* - Webb - Rosenfels
4. Dolphins - Moore - Garrard - Tannehill*
5. Seahawks - Flynn - Wilson - Jackson
6. Jaguars - Gabbert - Henne - Palmer
7. Raiders - Palmer - Leinart - Pryor

One away...

1. Chargers - Rivers - Whitehurst
2. Rams - Bradford - Clemens - Brandstater
3. Steelers - Roeth - Batch - Leftwich
4. Eagles - Vick - Kafka - Edwards - Foles
5. Bengals - Dalton* - Gradkowski - Robinson
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17. SD - Touchdown Jesus
16. SF - Colin Kaepernick
15. Sea - Jackson/Wilson
14. Jets - Tim Tebow
13. Ind - Drew Stanton
12. Detroit - Shaun Hill
11. Min - Joe Webb
10. Buffalo - Vince Young
9. Houston - TJ Yates
8. Redskins - Rex Grossman/Cousins
7. Browns - McCoy
6. Cards - Skelton/Kolb
5. Miami - Matt Moore
5. Cowboys -Kyle Orton
4. Bears - Jason Campbell
3. Jags - Chad Henne
2. New Englad - Mallett / Hoyer
1. Titans - Hasselbeck/ Locker
Shaun Hill is way too low, and Matt Moore should be number 2 at worst after his season last year.
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17. SD - Touchdown Jesus
16. SF - Colin Kaepernick
15. Sea - Jackson/Wilson
14. Jets - Tim Tebow
13. Ind - Drew Stanton
12. Detroit - Shaun Hill
11. Min - Joe Webb
10. Buffalo - Vince Young
9. Houston - TJ Yates
8. Redskins - Rex Grossman/Cousins
7. Browns - McCoy
6. Cards - Skelton/Kolb
5. Miami - Matt Moore
5. Cowboys -Kyle Orton
4. Bears - Jason Campbell
3. Jags - Chad Henne
2. New Englad - Mallett / Hoyer
1. Titans - Hasselbeck/ Locker
It seems trivial to be arguing about back up qb's, but Hill is better than Webb, Yates, Grossman, McCoy(really?), and Skelton easily.
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17. SD - Touchdown Jesus
16. SF - Colin Kaepernick
15. Sea - Jackson/Wilson
14. Jets - Tim Tebow
13. Ind - Drew Stanton
12. Detroit - Shaun Hill
11. Min - Joe Webb
10. Buffalo - Vince Young
9. Houston - TJ Yates
8. Redskins - Rex Grossman/Cousins
7. Browns - McCoy
6. Cards - Skelton/Kolb
5. Miami - Matt Moore
5. Cowboys -Kyle Orton
4. Bears - Jason Campbell
3. Jags - Chad Henne
2. New Englad - Mallett / Hoyer
1. Titans - Hasselbeck/ Locker
It feels really dumb arguing about backup qbs, but...

I fail to see how Henne is better than Moore. Moore easily outplayed Henne last season. He also looked pretty good a few years ago in Carolina. Henne has never looked good. Honestly I was surprised that the Dolphins tried so hard to replace Moore.
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The Jags have the worst starter, but one of the best backups. I'd say Henne is better than a quarter of the starters out there.

Worst backup award probably goes to the Packers.
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It feels really dumb arguing about backup qbs, but...

I fail to see how Henne is better than Moore. Moore easily outplayed Henne last season. He also looked pretty good a few years ago in Carolina. Henne has never looked good. Honestly I was surprised that the Dolphins tried so hard to replace Moore.
Henne only played what a whopping three and a half games last season? Matt Moore played well in stretches but so did Henne. Lets not forget that Henne was the starter that season as well.
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I think Seattle probably has the best backup QB situation in the NFL right now - it's the starting situation where the bar's set pretty low.
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I think Seattle probably has the best backup QB situation in the NFL right now - it's the starting situation where the bar's set pretty low.
I think Cleveland is in the same situation. They have one of the better backups (and even 3rd QB in Wallace), but the starter is obviously pretty bad.
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worst backup and denver hasn't been mentioned yet?
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