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Old 08-23-2012, 02:27 PM    (permalink
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...content_stream

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These rankings aren't all about what coach has the longest resume. It's who we'd want leading our team and building a staff right now if we owned a team.
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Top shelf: Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin and Jim Harbaugh

Next level: Mike McCarthy, Sean Payton, Andy Reid and Tom Coughlin

Knocking on the door: Rex Ryan, Jim Schwartz and Dennis Allen

Middle of the pack: John Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Jeff Fisher, Gary Kubiak, Lovie Smith, Marvin Lewis, Pete Carroll and Ken Whisenhunt

Prove me wrong: Mike Shanahan and John Fox

Need more information: Joe Philbin, Chuck Pagano, Mike Munchak, Greg Schiano, Leslie Frazier and Ron Rivera

The rest: Chan Gailey, Jason Garrett, Norv Turner, Romeo Crennel, Mike Mularkey and Pat Shurmur
My thoughts: there would probably be a lot of shuffling the list around to my personal preferences. But no gaffe is bigger IMO than Dennis Allen being too high. Right now if i was building a franchise i would take John Harbaugh, Mike Smith, Lovie Smith, and maybe Jeff Fisher too. All these guys listed were below Allen on these rankings. A little too much love for a rookie with no HC experience on any level (even college).
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These rankings are a hot mess. No Coughlin in Tier 1 is a joke. Harbaugh after 1 year is though? Allen knocking on the door already? John Harbaugh and Mike Smith make the playoffs every year but are in the middle tier? Terrible.
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These rankings are a hot mess. No Coughlin in Tier 1 is a joke. Harbaugh after 1 year is though? Allen knocking on the door already? John Harbaugh and Mike Smith make the playoffs every year but are in the middle tier? Terrible.
coughlin was a game away from being fired last year, and other years before that too...leaving him off the list is refreshing to see that the superbowl doesnt skew everyones perception THAT much to forget how often hes been on the chopping block

too much mike tomlin love for me though, id say this is the first year the roster is majority tomlins guys, the first year he finally brought in a staff member of his own choosing to call plays because firing arians was long overdue. We get to see some of the young talent be forced to be put in a position to step up, the cowher boys are dwindling. Glad they extended him for consistency though, i dont think hes far away from the top but i wouldnt put him in the same class with belichick quite yet
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coughlin was a game away from being fired last year, and other years before that too...leaving him off the list is refreshing to see that the superbowl doesnt skew everyones perception THAT much to forget how often hes been on the chopping block

too much mike tomlin love for me though, id say this is the first year the roster is majority tomlins guys, the first year he finally brought in a staff member of his own choosing to call plays because firing arians was long overdue. We get to see some of the young talent be forced to be put in a position to step up, the cowher boys are dwindling. Glad they extended him for consistency though, i dont think hes far away from the top but i wouldnt put him in the same class with belichick quite yet
No he wasn't. The media blows thing out of proportion all the time. Coughlin has beat Belichick twice in the biggest stage of the game yet he's not as good? Ok.
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So the guy with 1 year in the league is at the top, while a HC with 2 super bowls is in the 2nd tier? Yeah, this list makes tons of sense!

NFL.com needs to get their "experts" to post better stuff. Just like Adam Rank posting an article how we will draft a franchise QB. LOL.

This is what NFL.com needs to cut down on. BS stuff like this:



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So the guy with 1 year in the league is at the top, while a HC with 2 super bowls is in the 2nd tier? Yeah, this list makes tons of sense!

NFL.com needs to get their "experts" to post better stuff. Just like Adam Rank posting an article how we will draft a franchise QB. LOL.
Its not that he's better than Coughlin, its if you're starting a franchise right now, which HC would you want?

FWIW, if i was starting a franchise and had my pick of any NFL HC, my top tier would be Bellichek, Harbaugh (SF), Tomlin, Coughlin, McCarthy, and Payton. Reid, Schwartz, Ryan, Harbaugh (BAL), Mike Smith would be next. Too lazy to keep on going.

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No he wasn't. The media blows thing out of proportion all the time. Coughlin has beat Belichick twice in the biggest stage of the game yet he's not as good? Ok.
I like Coughlin, he's definitely in a tier below Belichick, but he has as good of a claim for the #2 spot as anybody else. He simply doesn't get the consistency year to year that BB does.
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I like Coughlin, he's definitely in a tier below Belichick, but he has as good of a claim for the #2 spot as anybody else. He simply doesn't get the consistency year to year that BB does.
Year to year success record wise isn't the same but head to head Coughlin is 5-1 and 2-0 SBs. Pretty damn good record against a guy everyone seems to count as # 1 HC in the NFL.
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These rankings are a hot mess. No Coughlin in Tier 1 is a joke. Harbaugh after 1 year is though? Allen knocking on the door already? John Harbaugh and Mike Smith make the playoffs every year but are in the middle tier? Terrible.
Pretty much this.
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How Dennis Allen is 'Knocking On the Door' but guys like Ron Rivera still require more time to gauge makes no sense. I don't necessarily object to Rivera's classification, but Allen should definitely be there with him.
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RAC gets no love! But then again he was in Cleveland before here..
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Mike Tomlin is not a great HC. TomTom is a glorified cheerleader on the sidelines.
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Stopped reading after Tomlin.
Whats so bad about Tomlin?
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Whats so bad about Tomlin?
I don't know. I like him. Probably because he didn't "build the Steelers" like Cower had to do in the early 90's when they had previously fallen off. Tomlin inherited a good team, so I suppose a good amount of people out there think his success was easily obtainable, which I kind of disagree with. Even if you have a talented roster you still have to do a lot to keep it together and maintain that success. Tomlin has done that. George Seifert did this with the 49ers when a lot of key veterans like Tom Rathman, Charles Haley, and Ronnie Lott left shortly after he took over.
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Jim Harbaugh and Rex Ryan are over rated.

Honestly Harbaugh belongs at knocking on the door.

RAC and Chan Gailey will get more love by season's end.

Darth Hoodie belongs in a class by himself as does Tomlin.
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Honestly Harbaugh belongs at knocking on the door.

RAC and Chan Gailey will get more love by season's end.

Darth Hoodie belongs in a class by himself as does Tomlin.
A guy who takes his team to 2 AFC Title games in his 1st 2 years and has yet to have an under .500 season as a head coach while transforming a defense into being in the top 10 each season is not overrated.

I agree with Rex's placement on the list. He still has some work to do as a head coach but he's not quite in the upper echelon just yet. Still a borderline top 10 head coach in the game.
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Then Brady gets hurt first game of the year in 2008 and a seventh rounder comes in with no experience plays the whole year and we go 11-5. Having Brady doesn't hurt anything obviously, but Belichick has worked some damn miracles with this team. Can't fault him for getting Brady, that definitely helped and continues to help him but everyone could have had Brady a few times
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I just think of the defense first and foremost when it comes to Belichick. He had some of the best defenses in the early 2000's alongside the Ravens, Dolphins, Eagles, and Buccaneers. His staff is pretty good at just managing games as well. The only glaring decision I remember from him during a game in the last ten years is when his team went four it on fourth down against the Colts.
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He has won two rings, and his team turns it on during the playoffs. He has something to do with that.
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He has won two rings, and his team turns it on during the playoffs. He has something to do with that.
I know that is why he's #2 IMO.
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"its the NFC east, what do you expect?"

give me a break, idk why they are continually anointed the class of the divisions. They were not a good division last year but are always talked about as the best division

if the cowboys won, i bet it would be called even more of a fluke than the giants (which i dont think it was a fluke at all, but i do agree they barely snuck in). The turn the corner omg they are the best team ever would have been vick and the eagles if they were anywhere close to being good enough last year, godddddd id still be nauseous from that
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"its the NFC east, what do you expect?"

give me a break, idk why they are continually anointed the class of the divisions. They were not a good division last year but are always talked about as the best division

if the cowboys won, i bet it would be called even more of a fluke than the giants (which i dont think it was a fluke at all, but i do agree they barely snuck in). The turn the corner omg they are the best team ever would have been vick and the eagles if they were anywhere close to being good enough last year, godddddd id still be nauseous from that


I don't know why they would call it a fluke. It was the dream team, cowboys, and then us as the team to win the division. So I have no idea where you're pulling that inaccurate stuff from.

As for always being talked about, I guess it's because the Cowboys are in it. America's team and all that jazz. As long as they are in our division they will always be talked about and so will our division. And the Eagles seem to be the team that the media backs as the team that will break out. Maybe it's the talent level or the fact they are the only team that doesn't have a SB in our division.

And if you are going to get sick from it, I'd suggest investing in barf bags, because it's going to get worse now that Bob Griffin is in the division.

But good conversation, thanks. I have to take a practice MCAT test, lol. But talk to you later man. Have a good day!
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